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Old 06-13-2013, 07:29 PM   #51
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I'm curious how all you guys have so many transmission troubles at relatively low miles (<100k)

I had the OEM fill for the first 30k and ever since I've run Motul 75w90 straight with no mixes in both the tranny and the rear diff(changed at 60k and 90k). I'm at about 95k and it never grinds and still shifts like day one. It has NEVER ground a gear that wasn't my fault (ie me letting off the clutch too soon, before the gears were engaged)

I'm sure the mixes will help a tranny that is having issues, but it seems that a lot of issues are being caused by abuse or lack of maintenance. Isn't the recommended fluid change interval 30k? Seems like a lot of people aren't doing this.

Actually just looked at the service schedule, it says "Inspect" trans and diff fluids, not "replace", but I really think it should be replaced on that interval.

these transmissions have been redesigned several times and the earlier ones are more problematic and the newer cars don't have the lsd in the rear
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Old 06-17-2013, 05:08 PM   #52
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Just curious how the 3qts of redline, 1qt of motul idea was developed; vs 3qts of motul and 1qt of redline? What, if any, would be the difference or drawbacks?

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Old 06-23-2013, 10:44 AM   #53
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So...3 quarts redline...1 quart motul 300...

And are we saying the heavy or lightweight is the ticket. I keep seeing lightweight, but then that it wears out quickly.

05 STi 110k miles, tiny bite in 5th but it's rare, 4th gear grinds pretty much every time over 3.5k on a downshift, started to grind rolling into 1st after most recent gear oil change (BG Synchroshift on reccommendation of a friend)
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Old 06-23-2013, 10:48 AM   #54
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And pardon if I missed something I'm within the first 15 minutes of my 16 hour shift this morning and I'm waiting for the coffee to kick in...I'm a little slow right now.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:19 PM   #55
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So...3 quarts redline...1 quart motul 300...

And are we saying the heavy or lightweight is the ticket. I keep seeing lightweight, but then that it wears out quickly.

05 STi 110k miles, tiny bite in 5th but it's rare, 4th gear grinds pretty much every time over 3.5k on a downshift, started to grind rolling into 1st after most recent gear oil change (BG Synchroshift on reccommendation of a friend)
redline does not recommend the use of any shockproof in any application that has a screen or a pump as the shockproof is engineered to stick to metal and that can cause problems in pumps and screensiirc, the 05 sti trans has both a screen and a pump...which is why it isnt recommended to use shockproof in the early sti trans
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Old 06-23-2013, 01:11 PM   #56
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redline does not recommend the use of any shockproof in any application that has a screen or a pump as the shockproof is engineered to stick to metal and that can cause problems in pumps and screensiirc, the 05 sti trans has both a screen and a pump...which is why it isnt recommended to use shockproof in the early sti trans
So should I go straight motul 300 and can the cocktail idea
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:19 PM   #57
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For a 6spd, yes just run straight motul. I emailed andrewtech asking about the benefits of running the cocktail over just motul in my 5spd and this is what they said:
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So I plan on running straight motul in my WRX like I have in the past. No grinds and it shifts great in my opinion. If the cocktail is a "bandaid," you shouldn't need it if you're not having issues.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:38 PM   #58
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I don't like the stuff. It has made shifting much harder/slower than anything else I have tried. 75 90ns for me, might try some neo next time.
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:22 AM   #59
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For a 6spd, yes just run straight motul. I emailed andrewtech asking about the benefits of running the cocktail over just motul in my 5spd and this is what they said:


So I plan on running straight motul in my WRX like I have in the past. No grinds and it shifts great in my opinion. If the cocktail is a "bandaid," you shouldn't need it if you're not having issues.

the 'cocktail' IS AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANY SORT OF 'BAND AID'

that is just what idiots wanna think....
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:57 PM   #60
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the 'cocktail' IS AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANY SORT OF 'BAND AID'

that is just what idiots wanna think....

when I had my 06 wrx there was a consistent grind going into third gear, I put 3-redline LW and 1-motul gear 300 and the grind was gone, nowhere to be found.

in my situation it was a "band-aid" If i didn't have grinding issues I probably would have just went straight motul gear 300. They are both good fluids. If it's not a band-aid what is it? just good fluid? either way..

bottom line is I was able to band-aid my bad synchro issue versus paying $1500 out of pocket.

I guess im an idiot to you.



but who cares?

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Old 06-26-2013, 03:06 AM   #61
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when I had my 06 wrx there was a consistent grind going into third gear, I put 3-redline LW and 1-motul gear 300 and the grind was gone, nowhere to be found.

in my situation it was a "band-aid" If i didn't have grinding issues I probably would have just went straight motul gear 300. They are both good fluids. If it's not a band-aid what is it? just good fluid? either way..

bottom line is I was able to band-aid my bad synchro issue versus paying $1500 out of pocket.

I guess im an idiot to you.



but who cares?
when the 02 wrx hit the usa....there was NO gear lube that really worked well in the 5mt....it was a real PROBLEM

the gear lubes caused the issues...there was no REAL mechanical issue with the transmission, there WAS an issue of improper lube being used

NOW....what is the issue when you take a trans that works...replace the lube and it NOW grinds???

is that a bad transmission??

NO it is NOT...it IS the wrong lube being used

dont be an idiot.....REALIZE what the REAL issue is and see the fix as what it IS

NOW...there ARE the idiots who had a BAD TRANS who thought they could get more miles outta their broke dick gear box by using 'the cocktail'...maybe it worked, maybe not...but THAT was not and IS NOT the intent thereof..


GOT IT STRAIGHT NOW?!?!?!?!?!?!
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when the 02 wrx hit the usa....there was NO gear lube that really worked well in the 5mt....it was a real PROBLEM

the gear lubes caused the issues...there was no REAL mechanical issue with the transmission, there WAS an issue of improper lube being used

NOW....what is the issue when you take a trans that works...replace the lube and it NOW grinds???

is that a bad transmission??

NO it is NOT...it IS the wrong lube being used

dont be an idiot.....REALIZE what the REAL issue is and see the fix as what it IS

NOW...there ARE the idiots who had a BAD TRANS who thought they could get more miles outta their broke dick gear box by using 'the cocktail'...maybe it worked, maybe not...but THAT was not and IS NOT the intent thereof..

GOT IT STRAIGHT NOW?!?!?!?!?!?!

Ha. Can we say cliff notes for the misunderstood. I've only been following these trans fluid threads for a few to get some insight, and it's amazing how people transcend one persons strategic development of a product to make up for an inadequacy ends up becoming something that it was unintended to be.

Side note, looks like a lot o bad drivin that causes issues too.
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:24 PM   #63
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the 'cocktail' IS AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANY SORT OF 'BAND AID'

that is just what idiots wanna think....
You calling me an idiot Scotty?

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Old 06-26-2013, 05:52 PM   #64
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Yes I also read about how Redline oils has a note on lightweight shockproof via the website. So it's not a good idea to use this oil in 6mt with the oil pump like 04. In the 5mt this oil works great. I have used it for over 100k miles with my ppg's. Works really well with the older 3rd gear syncro.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:49 PM   #65
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Andrewtech, so what is the correct concentration of these 2 lubes? 50/50?
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:21 PM   #66
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You calling me an idiot Scotty?

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Old 06-26-2013, 11:30 PM   #67
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I've decided to do a mix of 3-1 motul to redline heavy, would do andrewtechs mix only if I didn't already have an extra 3 jugs o motul. After contacting them directly they highly recommend their mix of 3 to 1 redline/motul. Given their highly respected feedback as a subietech I trust their recondition and experience. Nice thing is I have no trans or gear issues, I just want a quality fluid for this 5mt.

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Old 06-27-2013, 01:18 AM   #68
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these transmissions have been redesigned several times and the earlier ones are more problematic and the newer cars don't have the lsd in the rear
not entirely sure that's true. i'm under the impression that the "newer" ones have existed for many many years, they just came in the old gc8 sti's and so forth. the sti 'boxes had 1mm thicker teeth iirc. once subaru swapped to 2.5L (or it may have just been 6 speed for the GD sti in 2002) for the wrx in 2006, they swapped what used to be the sti 'boxes in to the standard wrx.

here in aussieland the GC boxes typically fail easier than the GD ones, and they have different part numbers. though i'm not sure how much that has to do with final drive ratio.

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you don't think the right cocktail can fix a mechanical issue do you? i mean a mechanical issue is by definition NOT a fluid one...
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:44 AM   #70
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no....im saying that people WRONGLY believe some things

and I know the specific origins of what I came up with...because I posted that, above....

THEN...over time...people WRONGLY used 'cocktail's to try to band aid REAL mechanical issues and ASSUMED that that was the actual intent of them...which it isn't...isn't in the case of what I ORIGINALLY came up with

so...whatever implications THAT makes is up to YOU

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you've said all this stuff, but never directly said WHAT you "came up" with this for, if it wasn't for a band aid. you continue ranting about what it ISN'T for but neglect to mention what it IS for. but i'm sure instead of actually providing useful information, you'll continue to be vague and say something like "if you dont know then yer a idiot kiddie f00 cupcake"

also, i think you may be confusing this thread for another. this is the Andrewtech Cocktail thread. whatever reasons you have for making YOUR cocktail are completely irrelevant. Andrewtech is obviously taking the position that their mix will help bandaid a tranny with synchro issues.

since you believe anyone who thinks that is an "idiot", deductive reasoning says you think Andrewtech are idiots.

backpedal moar.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:36 PM   #72
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you've said all this stuff, but never directly said WHAT you "came up" with this for, if it wasn't for a band aid. you continue ranting about what it ISN'T for but neglect to mention what it IS for. but i'm sure instead of actually providing useful information, you'll continue to be vague and say something like "if you dont know then yer a idiot kiddie f00 cupcake"

also, i think you may be confusing this thread for another. this is the Andrewtech Cocktail thread. whatever reasons you have for making YOUR cocktail are completely irrelevant. Andrewtech is obviously taking the position that their mix will help bandaid a tranny with synchro issues.

since you believe anyone who thinks that is an "idiot", deductive reasoning says you think Andrewtech are idiots.

backpedal moar.
d000000000000000d....look for the thread in this forum that has the most views....by a LOT

and you are such a complete idiot

jesus...what a chump you are...hilarryous
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too easy
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I've owned multiple 5spd. boxes and have had success with this blend:

2 qt. Valvoline 75w90 Synthetic
1.8 qt. Pennzoil Synchromesh

The Pennzoil Synchromesh is the same as the GM stuff, but it's cheaper and easy to find. The blend is really cheap, so I change it every 20k miles. I haven't shifted a WRX 5 speed that's better than mine. I believe short intervals are key to the box's longevity. My car has 116k on the original transmission at VF-39 power levels.

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I guess this is what I get for reviving a year old thread.
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