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Old 05-02-2002, 09:27 PM   #1
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Default need the pic of legacy wagon with p1's (or tarmacs)

I saw a pic of a legacy wagon with p1's on it a while ago and now I cant find it. anybody have it?
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Old 05-03-2002, 01:47 AM   #2
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My bet would be the "bling bling..." thread, do a search for "bling" in the legacy forum, lots-o-pages, and many legacy pictures.
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Old 05-03-2002, 04:30 AM   #3
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I don't have the exact pic you are looking for, but I have found a site which may help you out :

http://www.ceres.dti.ne.jp/~cmo/legacy/wheel/wheel.htm

It has pics of BE/BH Legacy with most of the wheels available on the market. Hope this helps.

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Old 05-03-2002, 06:12 AM   #4
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Uh, biggreen wanted pics of a BG, not BE/BH, right? I'd post a picture of my car with Gold Tarmac's on it, but I don't have any... Of course, why bother when www.tirerack.com has the same car as mine (blue and everything! '98 Legacy Wagon) as their model when you go thru Subaru, 1998, Legacy Wagon. They sell the P1's (overpriced and heavier, compared to Rota Tarmac's) in Anthracite, Gold, and Silver.
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Old 05-03-2002, 06:49 AM   #5
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Uh, biggreen wanted pics of a BG, not BE/BH, right? I'd post a picture of my car with Gold Tarmac's on it, but I don't have any... Of course, why bother when www.tirerack.com has the same car as mine (blue and everything! '98 Legacy Wagon) as their model when you go thru Subaru, 1998, Legacy Wagon. They sell the P1's (overpriced and heavier, compared to Rota Tarmac's) in Anthracite, Gold, and Silver.
If it's black, he probably means my old baby, a '98 GT wagon with DMS Golds and P1s. (sigh....)

Tire Rack does indeed sell the P1s which are indeed more expensive than the Rota Tarmacs, but know these things:

The P1s, made by OZ, fit perfectly, and are flawlessly hub centric without use of some plastic ring, and there are no reports of odd high-speed vibrations as there are with too many of the Rota wheels. The offset is perfect, as well.

There's also the exclusivity factor, and the fact that so much more goes into a wheel's design and effectiveness than mere weight. I have curb-hopped and rally crossed on my P1s, and putting them on my WRX affected its acceleration not a whit, and dramatically improved the handling. Plus they look fabulous. Compare the pic of a proper P1 to a Rota Tarmac, and see if you don't agree.

Price isn't the only factor to consider, as it too often becomes on these pages. Generally, things are more expensive for a reason.

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Old 05-03-2002, 07:20 AM   #6
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If it's black, he probably means my old baby, a '98 GT wagon with DMS Golds and P1s. (sigh....)

Tire Rack does indeed sell the P1s which are indeed more expensive than the Rota Tarmacs, but know these things:

The P1s, made by OZ, fit perfectly, and are flawlessly hub centric without use of some plastic ring, and there are no reports of odd high-speed vibrations as there are with too many of the Rota wheels. The offset is perfect, as well.

There's also the exclusivity factor, and the fact that so much more goes into a wheel's design and effectiveness than mere weight. I have curb-hopped and rally crossed on my P1s, and putting them on my WRX affected its acceleration not a whit, and dramatically improved the handling. Plus they look fabulous. Compare the pic of a proper P1 to a Rota Tarmac, and see if you don't agree.

Price isn't the only factor to consider, as it too often becomes on these pages. Generally, things are more expensive for a reason.

Kevin

Geez, you even SOUND like a typical Legacy owner! And by that I only mean that if people wanted a nice, well-built AWD car with a turbo, and subscribed to your theory, everyone would be driving around in an Audi, rather than a WRX. I'd rather have an "exclusive" car (ie, S4) than some "exclusive" wheels, but that is just me. In fact, why didn't you turbo your GT? It seems like you value being "exclusive", yet you sold your GT for a WRX. Personally, I don't care if you have $10k STi Unobtanium wheels on your GT -- it doesn't really seem impressive after you start to recognize cars by their taillights.

BTW, my Rota Tarmac's fit flawlessly, are hubcentric (what plastic thingys?), and are balanced excellently (at least up to 120mph). No, the offset isn't perfect, but at +48, it easily falls into the category of what is deemed as "appropriate". It sounds like +50-+53 is ideal for a BG with 215's... Oh well.

You are definitely correct though -- more DOES go into the price of a Prodrive/OZ wheel -- LIKE THE FANCY NAME (see Oakley glasses).

Furthermore, you are not special because you have curb-hopped and rally-crossed on your P1's -- other's have done so on Rota's and have had no problems. Besides, the worst driver will destroy any wheel out there, and vice versa, given time.

I'm glad the P1's didn't affect your car at all -- I assume the lighter Tarmac's won't either. When it comes down to it, your "proper P1" looks just as good as a Rota Tarmac, except it comes without the pedastal to prop yourself up onto because you have a more expensive wheel than others. Whoopity-doo.

"My wheel cost more than yours" = RICE.
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Old 05-03-2002, 08:22 AM   #7
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Then, we should agree to disagree. Personally, I would never put a +48 wheel on my Subaru, but that is just me. "Accpetable" is one thing. "Perfect" is quite another.

It isn't a question of "my wheel is more expensive than your wheel." It's a question of using a part that was designed for the car, as were the P1s.

The sole reason for my post was to clarify misconceptions about the P1 being "overpriced." It most emphatically isn't. As far as Rota people having problems with their wheels, just visit the Rota threads, and do a search for people who have had problems with either wheel. Further, I don't intimate that I am special because I have done rough driving with my P1s, only that these activities serve as a testament to the wheel's strength.

To some, the exclusivity does matter. To me, what matters is that they fit and work perfectly. The rest is immaterial. Prodrive/STi/Subaru are often slagged for being overpriced. The Prodrive variant of the WRC-style twin headlamp is more expensive than the UK300 lamp, which appears to be the same. Except that the Prodrive, purchased from an authorized vendor, is DOT-spec, which means that it meets the standards for lighting not only to the front, but to the sides. The UK300 is not DOT-spec. Therefore functionally, there is a difference in the lights. Whether that difference is worth the extra cost to someone is another matter altogether.

I actually did think about turbocharging my GT wagon. But the cost to do it properly (different from the cost to do it cheaply/potentially unreliably) was the difference between a WRX and my car. The WRX was stiffer, faster, almost as stylish, and more fun to drive. The choice was an easy one, actually.

As regards ultimate exclusivity, there are far more Legacy/Outbacks than there are WRXes, so in fact, prima facie, the WRX is more "exclusive," if those sorts of things matter. There are people who get upset when they see another WRX. I wave happily, because it's nice to see another Scooby owner. I do the same for Outbacks, and Legacies, and Outback Sports, Foresters, whatever.

Cost/value is another fascinating thing to look at. There certainly are products that are priced based not on ultimate quality, but on what people will pay. Oakleys, if you have used other sport-style glasses in activities like cycling, in-line skating or cross-country skiing, are not in that camp. Their styling and optics are exceptional, as are the fit and comfort. Can you get similar glasses for less money? Absolutely. Will they work as well for as long? The experiences of my friends as well as my own, says no.

Further (sigh..) I don't recall espousing any particular theory, simply stating that you often get what you pay for. As a Rota owner, I could see how you might find that objectionable, I suppose. And I'm not sure how a "typical Legacy owner" sounds. Perhaps some of the other "typical Legacy owners" could chime in here, and tell me how that's supposed to be.

And actually, the lighter Tarmac (19 lbs for the Rota, vs. 19.5 for the newer P1s, 17.5 for the older, unobtanium P1s ) would affect my car in terms of its handling and ultimate bearing life, for the record. When you drive a Subaru with proper offset, vs acceptable offset, the latter requires more tending to, never mind not being able to lower it past a certain point because of rubbing concerns.

S4s aren't that much more exclusive than any other car, really. I see more S4s in my neighborhood than Subarus, if you must know.

I could go on and on, point by point, but ultimately I wish that we could disagree in these forums, without resorting to personal attacks. I never do so in any of my posts, because that isn't the point. I am not what I drive, nor do I have any connection to that vehicle. If someone thinks that what I do is nuts, more power to them. I like it, and that's fine by me. I chime in when I can help, or clear up a misconception.

Kevin

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Old 05-03-2002, 11:40 AM   #8
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yada, yada, yada
I think there are people who enjoy that they have a choice between expensive wheels, and ones that will do pretty much the same thing for less money. FWIW, on the Rotas, the wheels that have had problems are the original, non-hubcentric SubZeros; the later (current) subzeros and tarmacs are hubcentric and have none of the vibration problems of the first ones, which sound like they could have been fixed with proper lug tightening, anyways........

I'm cheap. I also value quality. If something is a reasonable price, and it fits my needs, that's all I need to know. I was looking at new wheels before the Rotas were released, and came to the conclusion that I couldn't get a decent inexpensive wheel, so I was resigned to saving up a ton of $$ to make my OB handle better. I think that wheels get destroyed, no matter what; I've heard of more p1's being bent than Rotas, but the rotas have only been out for a short time. I would rather get 2 sets of Rotas for the price of one set of p1's, and assume that I could bend 4 rims and not care. I managed to bend 2 SSR 15's on my old car in a freak offroad excursion; rallying them for 2 years didn't do it, getting run off the road did. I ended up replacing them with a set of konigs, because I was a bit short on money, and figured if I was going to bend wheels, i might as well bend cheap ones

There are always going to be people who resent knockoffs. It's natural, and its understandable. You've purchased an exclusive item, making your car fit you as an individual, and seeing someone else do the same thing doesn't always sit right. This coming from the guy who is probably running the only OB in the states with 99 RS rims

I think that more aftermarket companies making wheels that fit scoobies is never a bad thing; choices are great. If i want to have P1 style, but in a lighter weight, or different color, then I have a choice; if I want to have a brand name, I have that choice; I'm sure OZ's warranty is more comprehensive than Rota's, and I'm sure that customer service is a lot better, as are things like paint finish, etc.

As subarus become more mainstream, there are going to be more choices in the aftermarket, and they're not all going to be high-end. If it opens up the world of our great cars to new people, what's the problem?

And a second on the Oakley thing; I won't wear anything else, because the quality on Oakleys is far superior to anyhting else on the market. Their frames universally fit right, their lenses have zero distortion, and if they break, they get fixed; I sent in a pair of razor blades the other day for warranty work. 10 years after I purchased them, they repaired them free of charge. That's what I paid for; you thinkg anybody bought factory piolts because of their reputation (brand new company) or styling?
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Old 05-03-2002, 11:47 AM   #9
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I'm a typical legacy owner.
Just taking the lifted wagon I got from the factoryand making it my own....now that guys in my local club are doing WRX swaps, i'm thinking a factory, CARB approved Lancaster turbo sitting on the deck would be pretty sweet
Until then, I'll live in a state of denial, since I know I just drive a big sports car witha honkin' trunk

Before you start ripping on kevin for getting a WRX, know that he'll trade it in the day a turbo legacy comes to these shores, right?

Kevin's car was the original car that made me say "i could do that"
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Old 05-03-2002, 12:38 PM   #10
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yeah... so anyways do any off you terrorists that just hijacked my thread have that pic? A BG with some p1's. feed it to me
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Old 05-03-2002, 12:47 PM   #11
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haha
sorry, i'm over here with a gun jacking this thread :P
it's kevin's car, lemme see if i can find it
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