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Old 08-12-2009, 10:22 AM   #1
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Default Ford Excursion Tow Vehicle Info Wanted

So, I am thinking about buying a Ford Excursion as a tow vehicle. I read this thread as well as a few from the sandbox and RRAX and some ford fanboy forums..

Tow Vehicles
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...cursion&page=2

So here's what I have so far regarding info.
2000-2005
V8 available all years
V10 available all years
PSD - Power Stroke Diesels
7.3 PSD from 2000-2003
6.0 PSD from 2003-2005

In all my reading the 7.3 PSD is the best evAr on the internets. The 6.0 PSD in 2003 you want to stay away from but in 04 and 05 there were improvements. The smaller diesel makes more power but blows turbos and other fun things like cam position sensors and has fuel filter issues? The V10 is a good engine and a lot of people have also put high miles on those.

I need schooled on the transmissions though as I don't understand what's going on there. Also the rear axle ratio as to what's best for towing.

I understand all the models have 44 gallon gas tanks and mileage may vary. I live in PGH and there is only hills around here so I expect my mileage to suck. This will not be my DD but more a dedicated tow vehicle and vacation monster.

I am currently talking with a dealer about a 2001 with the V10 but the PO put 20" wheels on it and TV's in the headrests of the front seats. I am not really down with that but it's all Black with Tan interior and it is the limited model with leather, asking $14,500. I don't think I have an issue with the V10, it has 67000 miles on it and I don't know the maintenance history. I'd also like to hear peoples ups and downs with gas vs. diesel although I've read about it. It seems the biggest up to the diesel is a longer range than the V10 model but V10 go for considerably cheaper and that savings adds up to a lot of gas.

For the past 2-3 years I have been using my dads 2003 Eddie Bauer Excursion diesel, the 6.0PSD with minimal issues on my part but I know my dad has a lot of trannsmission issues (says it's overheating when it's not), some re-flashing done at dealer and the truck is a dog for the first 30 minutes it is running.

I'd appreciate any info regarding the excursions as I really feel that's the way I want to go because I am tired of borrowing my dads, and if I can afford it I want to get my own.

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Old 08-12-2009, 11:20 AM   #2
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In short, go 7.3 diesel.
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Diesel is still cheaper than 93oct down here by about 10cents/gal. Not sure if the v10 would require 93 or not but there's no savings in gas over diesel down here.

If I had to do the tow vehicle thing all over again, as long as it wouldn't be my daily driver, I'd go diesel all day long. Crossing the TN mountains in my escalade was not fun, although not an issue, it didn't feel very good. Going down was the scariest as its got tiny brakes.

The diesel's are going to have great brakes, and can pull a house up hill w/o breaking a sweat.

All that said, for DD, my escalade rocks and I've had zero problems with it (knocks on wood).
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:06 PM   #3
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My diesel when compared to same loads and driving style usually gets about 15-17 mpg mixed vs my friends v10 at 10-12...with 10k load he's around 7-8mpg and I'm normally about 15.5mpg on the highway with that. Even when diesel was $1 more per gallon than regular gas, fuel to mileage was about the same as the V10.

I have a bone stock, ext cab, long bed, with 6-spd...so about 1000lbs less truck that you.

I've had no issues with my truck. 180K+ miles with 45k being in the last 16 months.
Wish list, that also improves fuel economy: DIY intake, 4" TBE, progammer and maybe swamp stage 1 injectors (+120hp and 2-3 mpg).


I've never had an issue with brakes BUT you can also make your own exhaust brake on a stock 7.3L...simple radioshack project to control the factory exhaust valve. Instructions are on thedieselstop.com IIRC.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:44 PM   #4
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As a 2003 excursion owner (v10) limited. I will say it's an awesome tow vehicle, as you know, and has served me very well.

I pretty much went through the same decision making process (forums) at the time of purchase (Jan 07) as you are now in regards to diesel/gas.

The conclusion I came to was I would have to drive ~ 15,000 miles a year additional for 7 years to break even with the additional 5 to 6K the diesel will always run you over a comparable gas engine model (based on cost of oil changes, and fuel costs at the time) I just don't drive that much. Of course I would enjoy the additional tq, but I do not necassarily need it. It hurt a little last year when it was ~$5.00 a gallon...this year it's no big deal.

I bought it W/96,000 as a 1 owner for 11K . I'm right now at 125,000K. I've had absolutely zero issues with it and all I've really done is had the oil changed regularly (every 5k), fuel filter and plugs. I fear any electrical issue as I think it's an over engineered electrical nightmare waiting to happen. At least the comfort and convienence systems.

You just want to buy one with the tow package. I believe all the limiteds have it. That will take care of the transmission, cooler, and gearing.

I don't know what the advantage to having a 700 mile range over a 500 mile range would be. I can fill alot of water bottles in 500 miles. Besides if you're traveling in a group you end up stopping when they do.

I really enjoy it as a bus in the winters to go snowboarding. Room for 6 all the gear and everyones comfortable.

That's my logic though, which at times is f'd up. If I towed alot or perhaps if I towed an enclosed my decision may be different.
YMMV/IMHO

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Old 08-12-2009, 01:56 PM   #5
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Valid point...if you aren't driving it much, the gas will make more sense on the overall budget.

If you do opt for the 7.3L diesel, pickup a V10 tranny cooler. It's larger and the automatic transmissions are known to get hot...but I doubt you'll be towing that much weight.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:59 PM   #6
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Just an 18 ft open deck with Subaru and occasionally the local enclosed timing trailer.

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you won't need to worry about a cooler...wasn't sure if you were hauling your car and a buddies on an enclosed rig or something.
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I went from a 5.4L Ford truck to a 7.3PSD and I never looked back. My F250 with a 4" turboback and DP tuner programmer (PSD owners, do yourself a favor and get one), with nothing in tow goes faster than most people are comfortable with for truck that size, gets 17-18mpg highway, 16mpg mixed and will probably run a high 14 : ) With weight behind it, it doesnt lose much. I pull a 22' open trailer with my 3100lb STi on it and about 500lbs in the back of the truck, and during a trip loaded this way my mileage dips to about 15mpg highway, and 13 mixed. There is no gasser out there that can touch that. Go diesel, you will not regret it.

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Any opinion on buying a truck like this that some one put 20" wheels on?
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Any opinion on buying a truck like this that some one put 20" wheels on?
I'd say keep looking. Mostly based on 20" tire costs. Of course I haven't looked in a while maybe the costs have come down the past couple years.
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Only advantage in my eyes for having bigger wheels is for bigger brakes.
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just buy stock wheels and whatever size tires when the 20's wear out? If it's a clean truck, go for it.

As a former excursion owner, i will tell you that they are great trucks.
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easy to find stockers on craigslist and sell the 20" junk unless you plan an unnecessary BBK.
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just buy stock wheels and whatever size tires when the 20's wear out? If it's a clean truck, go for it.

As a former excursion owner, i will tell you that they are great trucks.
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easy to find stockers on craigslist and sell the 20" junk unless you plan an unnecessary BBK.

Listen to these guys. I was just thinking there's so many excursions for sale finding one with stock wheels shouldn't be a problem.

I enjoy pulling into the gas stations and being looked at by prius owners like you personally club baby seals.

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I am getting sent to China again on Tuesday so I have to hold off tonight on going to look at the truck. I am leaning towards saving some money up and getting the excursion that I want even if It means waiting a bit (March-ish of next year). I tried to go look at another one last night but couldn't find the dealership, lol.

I think now I am leaning towards diesel for putting the miles on..
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I can't recall the dates off the top of my head but i want to say post april 04 build date are the 6.0L's to buy, if that's what you are in the market for...7.3L's are regularly good motor to about 400k....very trouble free motors.
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I can't recall the dates off the top of my head but i want to say post april 04 build date are the 6.0L's to buy, if that's what you are in the market for...7.3L's are regularly good motor to about 400k....very trouble free motors.
Good Info Thanks. My dad has a 2003, I like the interior and the engine has always seemed fine but the transmission and transfer case has sucked many times. It stays in first for way to long and rough shifts into 2nd, it's really hard to pull out into traffic sometimes when the tranny is cold.
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yes, the downside of the 7.3L is the STOCK auto transmission...built they are stout...

I just have the 6-spd
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