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Old 08-12-2009, 09:44 PM   #1
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I, for the longest time, though I belonged in the STU class. However, after reading the 2009 SCCA rules book, I figured out the the COBB stage 2 reflash bumped me out of that class since it electronically modifies the boost presure.

So, I kept reading the rule book but began to confuse myself as to where I fall now. I did read as much as I could (before getting a headache) on NASIOC to see what classes others were in but that just left me where I started out.

So, here I am asking anyone and everyone to chime in and point me in the right direction so I can build my car accordingly and plan for future modifications as well.

Here is a list of what I have:
- COBB stage 2 reflash
- Perrin pully
- Titek catted dp
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- K&N drop in filter
- COBB f/r sways
- BC Racing coilovers 10k/8k (front/rear)
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:04 PM   #2
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Everything is legal for STU except for your tune. The stage 2 tune puts you into ESP (E Street Prepared). You will need race tires to be competitive there. You can probably run STU locally without anyone caring. (I would clear it up with them first). The STI's and EVO's can put down much more power on a STU tune than the wrx can with the OTS cobb stg 2 map so I doubt they will care. Ask me how I know.
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Old 08-13-2009, 01:55 AM   #3
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^^^Actually, I'm currently running stock struts with COBB springs (just ordered the coilovers) and I'm ussually 1-2 seconds off the point leader and .5 seconds off 2nd place guy. He asked what I was running under my hood cause he's noticed I'm getting closer to taking his 2ns place trophy. So, I'll just inform the regional managers and ask them to transfer my points over into ESP...which puts me in 2nd place!! I know its not 1st but there's next year.
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Old 08-13-2009, 09:44 AM   #4
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Good decision. Save up for r-tires next year. They're fun.
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:06 PM   #5
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Everything is legal for STU except for your tune.
Unless Im wrong (which is entirely possible), he also cant defeat the codes for cat inefficiency with the AP either. I know certain catted DP's work, but Im not sure about the Titek.

FWIW, I had plenty of fun in ESP on street tires. If not being top-tier competitive isnt a big issue to you, then dont worry about your class.
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Old 08-14-2009, 01:58 AM   #6
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I also have wondered this, I am pretty sure my car will be in a class I am totally un competitive in:
02 wrx.
vf30, mbc, fuel pump, injectors, retune on e85, catless 3" exhaust, 04 sti struts, tanabe springs, camber bolts in rear, subframe h brace, cf hood, rear swaybar, 17x8.5 rims, bfg kdw2 tires.
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:05 AM   #7
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I also have wondered this, I am pretty sure my car will be in a class I am totally un competitive in:
02 wrx.
vf30, mbc, fuel pump, injectors, retune on e85, catless 3" exhaust, 04 sti struts, tanabe springs, camber bolts in rear, subframe h brace, cf hood, rear swaybar, 17x8.5 rims, bfg kdw2 tires.
Straight to SM with you!
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Old 08-14-2009, 07:10 AM   #8
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Straight to SM with you!
subframe h brace? I don't believe that's even legal in SM.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:04 AM   #9
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subframe h brace? I don't believe that's even legal in SM.
I'm too lazy to dig through rules, but I think you're right. It puts him into FP or EM IIRC. Its funny how one part that doesn't do a whole lot for the car can put you into ridiculous classes. ALK's and fender braces put you into FP too.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:49 AM   #10
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Unless Im wrong (which is entirely possible), he also cant defeat the codes for cat inefficiency with the AP either. I know certain catted DP's work, but Im not sure about the Titek.

FWIW, I had plenty of fun in ESP on street tires. If not being top-tier competitive isnt a big issue to you, then dont worry about your class.
Can't defeat codes with fixes or electronic defeats.

I'm in ESP. It's a fun, fast class. It can be hard to mod the car within ESP as simple small things push you to SM or beyond (like the H-brace). Simple rule is, before buying a part, double check the rules unless you don't really car.

The only downfall with ESP is that there aren't many peope there locally. People either don't mod and go to ST*, or they mod and go to SM. Those that are in ESP tend to be there with a purpose.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:54 AM   #11
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Here is a list of what I have:
- COBB stage 2 reflash
- Perrin pully
- Titek catted dp
- Greddy TiC exhaust
- K&N drop in filter
- COBB f/r sways
- BC Racing coilovers 10k/8k (front/rear)
- Agency Power end links
- SS braided brake lines
- DBA 4000 series slotted rotors
- WedSport SA-7 (17x7.5) w/ Yoko S-Drives (235-40-17) (300 treadwear)
That alone means SM. It sucks how something so mediocre can mean a huge jump in classes that make you the most UNcompetitive you could have possibly been. Take a 1985 Chrysler Conquest. 2.6L turbo, only making about 180 flywheel horsepower. 2.6L turbo puts him into STX with stock-tune against e36 M3's pushing 300. They need to limit it by actual power you're putting down instead of potential, but then everyone would need a dyno sheet so they won't do that.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:58 AM   #12
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Wide sticky tires will definitely make the front differential's lameness even more apparent.

I am the only person in FP in my region, I found that kind of odd. I am chasing the Z06 times anyways, so it doesn't matter so much to me and I am having fun. If you are trying to be competitive in a class however, I suggest taking full advantage of allowable mod's for that class.
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Old 08-14-2009, 01:26 PM   #13
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That alone means SM.
Wrong. It means ESP. Boost control method changes whether electronic or mechanical are allowed in all *sp classes.
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Old 08-14-2009, 01:36 PM   #14
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Take a 1985 Chrysler Conquest. 2.6L turbo, only making about 180 flywheel horsepower. 2.6L turbo puts him into STX with stock-tune against e36 M3's pushing 300. They need to limit it by actual power you're putting down instead of potential, but then everyone would need a dyno sheet so they won't do that.
So you'd rather the Starquest get raped by Miatas and Lotuses? The majority of people that complain about SCCA classing are those that already built a car and landed in a class where they are uncompetitive. Sorry, that's life. It happens in every form of auto racing, with the possible exception of bracket racing.

Also, the e36 M3 is not pushing 300hp stock, nor is it in STX.

OP: I say get retuned and stay in STU. Your car will be far more competitive there = far more fun.
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Oh, I missed that. Yeah, that should be a "straight to prepared with you" instead.
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:06 AM   #16
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yeah, that COBB tune surprised me and if it had placed me in SM, I would take it off for the events cause SM is way up there. I can handle ESP...and I will be getting those r-tires for sure. Now I just gotta figure out a good wheel and tire combo. Right now I'm thinking of RPF-01s with Kumho V710s or Hoosier A6s
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holy ****, I think I would be holding up the prepared classes hahaha
FML.
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A6's, end of story ^.^ Kumho's don't stick as well but last minutely longer. Trust me, A6's are sex.
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A6's, end of story ^.^ Kumho's don't stick as well but last minutely longer. Trust me, A6's are sex.
LOL
I can barelly afford the kdw2's on my car, let alone a set of hoosiers haha.
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LOL
I can barelly afford the kdw2's on my car, let alone a set of hoosiers haha.
A bit pricey...but you gotta pay to play
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Old 08-16-2009, 05:12 PM   #21
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A bit pricey...but you gotta pay to play
I just wanna play, not even be competitive lol
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Troof! I went enkei RPF-1's with 245 V710's. On my...third pair? Or second. I can't remember. Probably my second. Pricey, but if you want to hang with the best of ESP, you can't do it without R comps. Kumho XS are an excellent non R-comp that will let you play and handle the power of an ESP car. Still, they run about $600-$700 for a set, only $300 less than R's.
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R-comps are like crack cocaine. Once you try them it is tough to stop. They are fun, though. If you factor in the wear and tear to your street tires, the difference become much less (as long as you have the rims to mount the r-comps on).

FWIW, I have run AS, STU, BSP, ESP and now SM. ESP and SM were the most competitive classes, and in my opinion the most fun. IMHO, finding a group of competitors in your class that you like and are great drivers is the key to having the most fun.
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COBB also has a Stage 2 ST legal map, just download it from their site.
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That alone means SM. It sucks how something so mediocre can mean a huge jump in classes that make you the most UNcompetitive you could have possibly been. Take a 1985 Chrysler Conquest. 2.6L turbo, only making about 180 flywheel horsepower. 2.6L turbo puts him into STX with stock-tune against e36 M3's pushing 300. They need to limit it by actual power you're putting down instead of potential, but then everyone would need a dyno sheet so they won't do that.

How does a stage 2 reflash put you into SM? I thought that was allowed in SP.
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