Coilovers...

[Touge86]

So I am in the Market for Coilovers. I have been planning on doing Tein Mono Flex's, but I keep being told to save some money and do BC Racing Coilovers. I don't know why but something deep inside of me just wants the teins? So boggle my mind.

As for use:

I would use them for maybe 10 track events a year, and the rest would be street use (hence mono flex over the super racings). I had also been considering the Cusco's, but my top choice is still the mono flex.

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[axleon2]

Aren't you selling the STI or are you getting these for a different car?

[06HAWKMAN]

I am no expert at all, but I purchased the BC coilovers and I am extremely pleased with them for street use and aggressive driving. I would recommend if you are going to track them to either get the inverted or the er series and a slightly stiffer spring rate than 8 and 6k, but I would imagine that the br series would do alright for some track use. I have only had stock, tein h-tech springs with stock struts and now the coilovers and they definately ride better than any of the other combinations. You can make the dampening really stiff but it does get bouncy but for the price they are in my opinion best bang for the buck!

[Touge86]

Originally Posted by axleon2

Aren't you selling the STI or are you getting these for a different car?

hmm am I selling it? good question. I think everything I own stays on ksl aside from Nikki and Bowzer, but I don't really own Nikki.

[snowman4us]

Do some searching in the suspension section, where a gentelman got a set of BC coilovers and actually put them on a shock dyno.

Recap.
1) same exact shock was used for the front and rear (now dont you think the front shock should be different sense you have more weight in the front of the car, along with brake dive and cornering load.
2) First couple clicks on the dampener resulted in NO CHANGE of dampening rate (AKA your 16 way dampener is now a 11 way)

My personal opinion, just like everything else. You get what you pay for. Yes you can get a Flat screen for 500 and you can get one for 2K. Both are TV's, but you will see the difference in quality. Plus EDFC FTW

[Touge86]

^that was kinda what I was thinking too.

[ibis]

I loved the DMS 50mm Tarmac suspension I had:

http://www.dmshocks.com/

[bhhamblin]

I have the Cusco on my 08 and love them.

[Kentrik]

If you can afford the DMS's, I would say go with them, I have heard crazy awesome things about them.

[Scubiesteve25RS]

too bad no one carries the cusco's anymore unless you get them shipped from Japan, cuz I want the Cusco 2E

[Kentrik]

I think RSD still carries the Cusco's.....they're listed on the site, anyway.

[Scubiesteve25RS]

Originally Posted by Kentrik

I think RSD still carries the Cusco's.....they're listed on the site, anyway.

they only what is left, and nothing for an 05 STi in the Cusco market its all 02+ Wrx and 04 STi

[aclver1]

Originally Posted by snowman4us

Do some searching in the suspension section, where a gentelman got a set of BC coilovers and actually put them on a shock dyno.

Recap.
1) same exact shock was used for the front and rear (now dont you think the front shock should be different sense you have more weight in the front of the car, along with brake dive and cornering load.
2) First couple clicks on the dampener resulted in NO CHANGE of dampening rate (AKA your 16 way dampener is now a 11 way)

My personal opinion, just like everything else. You get what you pay for. Yes you can get a Flat screen for 500 and you can get one for 2K. Both are TV's, but you will see the difference in quality. Plus EDFC FTW

I would bet most use the same shock on front and back and only change the spring rate. Also the BC's are 32 way dampening and the the first click on either end is not really a click. When you turn it all the way to either end you have to turning it back one notch before it hits the first click. But I agree on most of what you are saying about you get what you pay for. Robi from robi Spec just reviewed them in the new Dsport mag and said what most other say about them. They are unbeatable for the price and work great for people that want the adjustable and go to the occasional track day but they are not competition coilovers. Also most scca races don't allow EDFC. I think they are better than most people really need but if you are serious about racing get something else unless you are getting their new ER series with independent dampening adjustment and external reservoirs.

[Scubiesteve25RS]

Originally Posted by aclver1

I would bet most use the same shock on front and back and only change the spring rate. Also the BC's are 32 way dampening and the the first click on either end is not really a click. When you turn it all the way to either end you have to turning it back one notch before it hits the first click. But I agree on most of what you are saying about you get what you pay for. Robi from robi Spec just reviewed them in the new Dsport mag and said what most other say about them. They are unbeatable for the price and work great for people that want the adjustable and go to the occasional track day but they are not competition coilovers. Also most scca races don't allow EDFC. I think they are better than most people really need but if you are serious about racing get something else unless you are getting their new ER series with independent dampening adjustment and external reservoirs.

not only that, you dont have to send it to Japan in case something goes wrong with the coilover, so it's faster to get back on the road in case something happens

[snowman4us]

Originally Posted by aclver1

I would bet most use the same shock on front and back and only change the spring rate. Also the BC's are 32 way dampening and the the first click on either end is not really a click. When you turn it all the way to either end you have to turning it back one notch before it hits the first click. But I agree on most of what you are saying about you get what you pay for. Robi from robi Spec just reviewed them in the new Dsport mag and said what most other say about them. They are unbeatable for the price and work great for people that want the adjustable and go to the occasional track day but they are not competition coilovers. Also most scca races don't allow EDFC. I think they are better than most people really need but if you are serious about racing get something else unless you are getting their new ER series with independent dampening adjustment and external reservoirs.

I have shock dynos from a couple manufactures showing that it is not the same. That is one way of how BC goes about keeping cost down, less R&D=less money to charge people.
Also no open track day will care if you have EDFC, along with no regulations of any time attack event saying that you can not have a in-cabin controller. GTR, 300Z, and a couple other high end cars come with oem in cabin dampening controllers.
As for the new ER series...that is what the guy did the testing on. For that price you are into the same territory as KW, Tein Flex, and so forth.

Dont get me wrong not everyone needs 2k coilovers, but there is a benefit to paying more.

[snowman4us]

Originally Posted by Scubiesteve25RS

not only that, you dont have to send it to Japan in case something goes wrong with the coilover, so it's faster to get back on the road in case something happens

Tein has a Cali facility that rebuilds all the coilovers state side other then the older units that are 5years old +, as it uses some weird machine to pressurize the shock.


Again, this is all my opinion. But I rather pony up the extra cash for a shock that is designed for my application, instead of a shock that they pull off the shelf and throw into 20+ models.

[Scubiesteve25RS]

but don't get me wrong I am also tossing around the idea of BC coilovers too, I have to do something about my struts on the STi, the rear struts are clinking and I might as well have a piece of metal welded in instead of a strut, they are so stiff and probably should be regreased but it gives me a reason to upgrade to coilovers, I just want something that is wife friendly but trackable as well. I rode in Brody's 08 with the cusco's and it floats over bumps, and I was sold on the cusco's now its just a matter of finding them.

[snowman4us]

Originally Posted by Scubiesteve25RS

but don't get me wrong I am also tossing around the idea of BC coilovers too, I have to do something about my struts on the STi, the rear struts are clinking and I might as well have a piece of metal welded in instead of a strut, they are so stiff and probably should be regreased but it gives me a reason to upgrade to coilovers, I just want something that is wife friendly but trackable as well. I rode in Brody's 08 with the cusco's and it floats over bumps, and I was sold on the cusco's now its just a matter of finding them.

Wonder where he got those coilovers
I had them on my car, and got rid of them do to them being to soft for what I was using the car for. Great coilover, for 90% of the consumers.

If you like those, look into the Tein Super-Street with out the pillow ball top hats (unless you need the 4+ degrees of camber adjust ability). They are built similar to the Cusco Zero2-E (what brody has), and offer the same features. Pricing is about 500 more then BC, but will actually ride quite plush, as long as you dont have the shock turned up to full stiff. Another option would be KW for a bit more, but they will be great coilover that will survive the Utah salt, snow, sand, and heat do to the Inox lining they use.
If you have the cash burning a hole in your pocket a set of Ohlins fixed purge struts, on a set of Epic engineering springs and you will have probably the best ride money can buy for a street car.

So far I have owned 6 or 7 different coilover setups from all different manufactures, and different models, and have driven cars with more coilovers then I can ever remember. And I will tell you this, that each manufacture, and each model they offer is suited for different application and at a different type of driving. You cant get a coilover that is nice ride on the street, that will also be the best at the track. You need to choose what you use your car for 360 days out of the year, and not the 5 days a year you might hit the track. Do to the fact that a street coilover will be to soft on full race tires, and race coilovers will be a harsh ride and will wear out.

However at the end of the day, by far the best units I have ever felt where a set of Moton ClubSports in a 911. They rode amazing on the street, and where amazing at the track. But with a price tag of 7K for just the shock, and a couple grand for all the springs, purges and top hats you would hope they did well.
Once I have that kind of coin, I will flip it toward a set of Motor, JRZ, or High end Ohlins....one day

[godfather2112]

Just nut up and buy Tein. You wouldnt have bought your wife a cheap wedding ring would you?

[Lil' Biggie]

Originally Posted by aclver1

Also most scca races don't allow EDFC.

Most SCCA race classes don't allow most normal modifications. Do you know anyone that races SCCA? Are you planning to race SCCA, are you planning to race?

[Scubiesteve25RS]

the thing is I dont want Tein, I want Cusco's...If I'm going to shell out over 1500 for coilovers I want exactly what I want. Not something I can live with. If I want something I can live with Ill buy the BC Inverts.

[snowman4us]

Originally Posted by Scubiesteve25RS

the thing is I dont want Tein, I want Cusco's...If I'm going to shell out over 1500 for coilovers I want exactly what I want. Not something I can live with. If I want something I can live with Ill buy the BC Inverts.

So then get a 08 STi and get Cusco units for it.
As your GD chassis will ride completely differently with the same coilovers that Brody has on his. Different mounting points on the chassis, different control arm lengths, different spring rates, and so forth.

[Scubiesteve25RS]

Originally Posted by snowman4us

So then get a 08 STi and get Cusco units for it.
As your GD chassis will ride completely differently with the same coilovers that Brody has on his. Different mounting points on the chassis, different control arm lengths, different spring rates, and so forth.

For one I don't like any bodystyle of the STi after 05 and two I have always wanted Cusco coilovers before I ever rode in Brody's car.

[bhhamblin]

Just make up your mind Steve! and stick with it.

You know you like my cars

[snowman4us]

Ah ok. You just referenced earlier saying you like allot how brodys car rode, and they you stated you wanted Cusco units..So I just put the two together.