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Old 08-18-2009, 02:53 PM   #26
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Yeah, looks like that's lost on even the supposedly automotively inclined readers here. *sigh* Most people can't even seem figure out what kind of differentials are in their subaru.

I'll put my money where my mouth is. If Subaru had an equivalent engine and threw in a few gadgets like auto leveling/aiming hid's, keyless start, full iphone/ipod integration, full auto up/down windows (i.e. what everyone in the 35k+ car market is doing), I'd pay $50k for it.
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:07 PM   #27
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74 more ft lbs and 70 more hp that the new legacy engine?? I wish I could buy "nothing revolutionary" from subaru.
Me too! I was just giving a better comparison (5 cylinder motor, also turbo'd, & same displacement) than the Subie engine.
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:46 PM   #28
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Reality check, Subaru's only get these 0-60 times when you launch them hard to avoid turbo lag. I could get 0-60 in 4.0 seconds if I launch at 5k, assuming my clutch can handle it (which it can't right now). Reality is more like 6 seconds with everyday transmission, clutch, and passenger friendly driving. The Audi should get the 4.6s without this.

What's the 5-60 time for a wrx? 7.6 seconds? 8 seconds? it's a long damn time that's what.




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C&D 5-60 is 6.3

Obviously the 4.6 0-60 is a product of AWD traction and clutch abuse, but the fact is that much more power and efficiency would be possible at 40% more $$, which is where the Audi sells at.

Don't get me wrong, I love this new Audi motor, and I hope it gets into more than just the TT, as a 2.5T Golf or RS3 in the high 30ks would be on my list. It's just not a monster of technical achievement.
QFT.

sweet car, no doubt...but i love my TL-S - 5-60 in 5.3s
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:37 PM   #29
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I'll put my money where my mouth is. If Subaru had an equivalent engine and threw in a few gadgets like auto leveling/aiming hid's, keyless start, full iphone/ipod integration, full auto up/down windows (i.e. what everyone in the 35k+ car market is doing), I'd pay $50k for it.
Keep the gadgets (more stuff to break), lower the sticker to $40K and I'll bite.
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:42 PM   #30
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That depends on what you're looking for. How many turbo engines make peak torque from 1600 to 5300 rpm? That's much more of achievement than slapping on a bigger turbo and making 450 hp at the expense of driveability.
Cobalt SS makes it's peak of 260 lb/ft from 2000rpm.

Not that anyone would compare the two, but that 2.0l is pretty sweet for a 22k car. Too bad it's not going to be part of Obama's GM
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Old 09-04-2009, 09:12 AM   #31
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Turbochargers and timing drive systems for the Audi TT RS and its new 2.5l five cylinder inline gasoline engine will be provided by BorgWarner, which is known for specializing in advanced turbocharger technology. With this unit, the TT RS will be able to maintain fuel consumption at about 25.5 mpg (9.2 liters/100 km) and will be able to accelerate from 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.

In a release, Tim Manganello, BorgWarner CEO, said that several years ago, Audi was the first to combine gasoline direct injection with turbocharging in volume production and that today, Audi is again setting new standards in performance and driving. To integrate BorgWarner’s advanced technologies with Audi’s powerful new engines, BorgWarner worked with the engineers from Audi’s quattro.

Their target was to develop a turbocharger with special geometry and low weight. They achieved this by adapting the manifold and turbine cross-sections. To obtain high efficiency, a relatively large compressor impeller was utilized. The timing drive system manages the increased loads caused by turbocharged engines. Their collaboration actually began with the work on the 2.0l four cylinder diesel engine from the TT range.

Due to BorgWarner’s third-generation variable turbine geometry (VTG) turbocharging technology, the model develops 170 horsepower. This unit consumes 5.5 liters/100 km (42.8 mpg). Meanwhile, BorgWarner’s turbochargers will also be used by Chinese car manufacturer First Automotive Works (FAW). In 2010, FAW will equip its models with turbochargers, with the newly-developed 1.3-liter and 2.0-liter liter gasoline engines to be the first to get turbocharged.

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Old 09-06-2009, 12:11 AM   #32
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Audi is a luxury brand, so of course the TT is going to come with amenities for today's happening elderly, none of which has anything to do with performance. Other than the superb engine with the torque where it belongs this car is about as special as a Subaru's flagship of mediocrity, the Legacy.
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Old 09-08-2009, 09:36 AM   #33
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Some people like performance and luxury amenities as well. Those that do can typically afford them.
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Old 09-08-2009, 10:21 AM   #34
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Some people like performance and luxury amenities as well. Those that do can typically afford them.
This is true.

Now the really interesting question is: Are the same people wound up about the TT's "needless" luxury amenities (since it's a performance car and all) the ones that complain about the Corvette's interior? Y'know, since it's about the same price and offers way more performance and all...
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Audi is a luxury brand, so of course the TT is going to come with amenities for today's happening elderly, none of which has anything to do with performance.
Sure but we don't all own ariel atoms and lotus's as daily drivers here do we?

All subaru's come with power windows. Is this a luxury item? But they don't have auto up/down on all windows. The cost of implementing this is very small compared to the price of the car, let's say 20-38k.

The point I'm trying to make is those "amenities" aren't really that costly and are what modern technology provides. It's got nothing to do with being old. Anyone can appreciate a power window. As well as keyless ignition. Honestly are more for young people than old, since old people like the things the way they are and get easily confused. All the 5/7-series drivers hated i-drive. Put that in a impreza and the young buyers will easily figure it out.
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Old 09-08-2009, 11:19 AM   #36
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How many turbo engines make peak torque from 1600 to 5300 rpm?


I couldn't find a graph for the 2010 Legacy GT but Subaru claims it has 258 lb-ft. from 2,000- 5,200rpm
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:56 PM   #37
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Yup, good example, but consider that the Audi mill has a much higher specific output (the EcoBoost 3.5L would need to make 470 hp to match it) and still makes peak power at 7k rpm, while maintaining the low end response of a small turbo.
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Old 09-08-2009, 05:49 PM   #38
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Sure but we don't all own ariel atoms and lotus's as daily drivers here do we?
Feature-starved Subarus are not comparable to either the Atom or a Lotus.
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All subaru's come with power windows. Is this a luxury item?
No. Power windows are ubiquitous. They have become cheap to produce.
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But they don't have auto up/down on all windows.
It is not uncommon for mid-range brands to lack auto-down on all windows. Usually in-car auto-down is limited to the driver's window. Auto-up is taboo in the U.S. market, because it eats the fingers of (the world's stupidest) children.
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The cost of implementing this is very small compared to the price of the car, let's say 20-38k.
This is more about tiering than cost.
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The point I'm trying to make is those "amenities" aren't really that costly and are what modern technology provides. It's got nothing to do with being old.
Arthritic hands love not having to fumble with keys.

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Anyone can appreciate... ...keyless ignition.
I can appreciate Depends adult diapers, but I do not have to wear them. Keyless ignition is something you forget about five seconds after you push the start button. It is not the most exciting of features.
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All the 5/7-series drivers hated i-drive. Put that in a impreza and the young buyers will easily figure it out.
So who is driving the luxurious 5- and 7-series?
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Say what you'd like about the little Audi motor, but the fact remains it is unmatched by any 2.5 liter on the market. Five years from now, it may not be anything special, but today, there is nothing else that can match it. I'd like to see this motor in an A4 Avant or A3.
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Say what you'd like about the little Audi motor, but the fact remains it is unmatched by any 2.5 liter on the market. Five years from now, it may not be anything special, but today, there is nothing else that can match it. I'd like to see this motor in an A4 Avant or A3.
I love the motor. I love the sound. I love the claimed power delivery.

It's an expensive motor in an expensive car that has been, admitted by Audi, "Tuned within an inch of its life".

I hope within a couple of years, Subaru will have a 340hp DI 2.5L motor in the STi. It's very possible and would require no fancy tech.
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I love the motor. I love the sound. I love the claimed power delivery.

It's an expensive motor in an expensive car that has been, admitted by Audi, "Tuned within an inch of its life".

I hope within a couple of years, Subaru will have a 340hp DI 2.5L motor in the STi. It's very possible and would require no fancy tech.
Comparied to how STI motors are tuned? feh.

There's nothing "fancy" about the audi motor. They simply combined existing technology and are actually producing a car. DI is not new. Twinscroll is not new. VNT is not new. Subaru is behind on everything, especially in north america.
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:52 AM   #42
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Abt Sportsline is more than just a tuning shop--the firm supplies and sponsors one of the biggest teams in Germany’s DTM race series. So when it steps up with aerodynamic and power upgrades for some of the best cars in the world, Abt doesn’t just add show, it adds go. The Audi TT is a favorite at Abt, so it’s not surprising that engineers have worked over the latest TT-RS model.
From the factory, the Audi TT-RS produces 340 horsepower at 5,400 rpm and 328 pound-feet at 1,600 rpm. Abt’s new Stage One ECU performance upgrade increases power to 420 horsepower, which is enough to rocket the tiny coupe (or convertible) from 0-62 mph in just 4.3 seconds and see it easily reach an electronically governed top speed of 175mph--not bad for an engine displacing just 2.5-liters. Also included in the upgraded is a new intercooler.
Additionally, Abt will soon be offering some other modifications for the car that will further improve performance and dynamics. Expect to see the usual bodykit, exhaust and suspension modifications.
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Old 09-09-2009, 11:35 AM   #43
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1 inch = 80 horsepower.. LOL
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Yeah, guess not.
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Old 10-09-2009, 08:47 AM   #45
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Default Avus Performance tÜRns Audi TT-RS into 460-hp "Neu-Ur-Quattro



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Avus Performance has just whipped the cover off their pumped up Audi TT-RS, a 460 horsepower, matte black self-described "Ur-Quattro" for the new millennium. While it evoking the legendary Quattro Coupe might be a bit of marketing hyperbole, it similarly features a turbocharged inline-five and should perform spectacularly well. Heck, it could probably give the Sport Quattro rally cars a run for their money. We wouldn't dare compare it to the S1, though. Still, this version of the already-hot TT-RS is positively smoking.

Even in stock form, the turbo-five in the TT-RS puts put out a healthy 340 horses, enough to scoot it from 0-60 mph in 4.6 seconds. By the time Avus finishes tinkering with it, however, their uprated TT-RS produces 460 hp and 472 lb/ft. Credit for the 30% horsepower boost comes via turbo and ECU tweaks, along with a new free-flow exhaust system with racing cats. So-equipped, the coupe's 0-60 time tumbles to just 3.8 seconds and top speed rises to 194 mph. Forget the Ur, that makes it about as quick as the R8 V10 5.2 FSI.

Thankfully, Avus' makeover isn't just confined to the engine bay. The tuner adds adjustable coilovers and a set of gloss black 20-inch Sportec Mono wheels wrapped in chunky 255/30-20 Hankook S1 Evo rubber. Said another way, they ought to do a whole lot more than just look pretty. Handling has been improved, yet so has the ride quality thanks to the adjustable suspension, say company officials. That added tweakability should allow one to maximize performance on track days without totally grenading everyday comfort.

The whole package minus the horsepower boost runs about 9,700 Euro (around $14,300). Avus asks that you contact them for specific pricing on the engine mods.

There's a sizable high-res gallery below and the full press release for your inspection after the jump.

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Audi TT-RS – The new "Ur-Quattro"

October 2009 - Latest creation from AVUS PERFORMANCE is something special for all Audi fans, especially
those who remember the Ur-Quattro with its blistering 5 cyl. turbo sound. The remake by Audi is
better known as the TT-RS which shares the engine and of course the sound.

With a stock power of 340bhp and 332 lb/ft of torque it is capable of doing the 0-60 in 4.6s.
AVUS PERFORMANCE takes it a step forward and improves the power and the look of the TT-RS.
Adjustable coilovers, gloss black 20" Sportec Mono wheels make the TT-RS look much more
aggressive. Thanks to the special setup which improves the factory suspension even further and
makes the TT run a lot smoother not only on country roads. Different setups for the race track are
avaiable either.

The matt black skin is something you will probably notice first when seeing the TT-RS. True to the
motto „Gloss is out, matt is IN" tuner AVUS PERFORMANCE changes it to matt black (other colors
avaiable on request). To give the TT-RS the final touch for the race track power has been increased significantly to a stunning 460bhp and more than 472 lb/ft of torque. 0-60 will be passed in about 3.8s and top speed increases to 194mph. Therefore AVUS PERFORMANCE modifies the turbo, ECU software and the exhaust system from turbo back with racing cats.

Attention, latest Sportec offer until 15th of December: Buy 4 wheels and pay only 3 (25% Discount)

- matt black „vinyl" – 1.999 Euro
- coilovers – 1.299 Euro
- modified ECU + exhaust system (460bhp / 472lb/ft) – price on request
- gloss black 20" wheels with 255/30/20 Hankook S1 Evo – 6.400 Euro
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/08/a...eu-ur-quattro/
























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Old 10-09-2009, 10:03 AM   #46
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it was sweet until I read that it was matte black vinyl for 1999 euros.

but how much for the ecu mod.

and I'll get my own rims since those cost 6400 euro
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I love this car! I hope it comes to the states
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modified ECU + exhaust system (460bhp / 472lb/ft)
Heh, so much for "tuned within an inch of its life".
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That Avus TT is sex on wheels. Amazing!!!
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Thats a lotta cowbell, but lotsa "euro" pricing (i.e. european car mods are needlessly overpriced since the cars tend to be needlessly overcomplicated)
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