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Old 08-17-2009, 09:07 PM   #1
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Here is an inexpensive mod that some people may not recommend since it can add understeer, but I just wanted to try it and see what happens since there is a track day at the end of the month.

I swapped out my wagon rear lateral links for sedan ones. The links from a sedan are 11mm longer than a wagons. The materials are the same since I didn't get the links from an STI. I think the sedan track is something like 15mm wider than a wagon on each corner, so the total track on my wagon is now about 30mm wider than it was before. I set the rear camber to -1.5* with 0 toe and I am rubbing slightly with my tall 235/40R18 on 18x7.5" +47 Volk CE28N. I think the rubbing is on the bumper corner and is only on huge bumps or hard cornering.

Many people claimed that the wagon axles are shorter than the sedan parts, this is not true. The wagon and sedan axles are completely the same.

So far, it seems like the car is more stable (most likely due to the track width increase). I will know more about how it drives at the limit after the end of the month when I take it to Streets of Willow on R comps. I am on Toyo T1R right now.

Here are the pics below, sorry they are from my iPhone. You can identify the sedan front link by the S that is painted on it. The rear link can be identified by the I painting mark.






This is a 30 minute job plus alignment time.
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Old 09-06-2009, 02:27 AM   #2
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Brief update, this setup on a wagon with 17x8 +35 , 245/35r17 Toyo r1r , -1.5 deg camber will have massive contact. At Streets of Willow, going around the bowl clockwise will make the tire press on the fender. The wagon did have some understeer, but this may have been because of the high track temps and the tires not being able to stick. Overall, stability is good with -2 deg front camber and just enough rotation to pitch into corners and use the berms to turn the car. Conditions got worse as the day went on. Best time was high 1:32 with skidpad.
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Old 09-06-2009, 03:22 AM   #3
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good find and imformative post!

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Old 09-06-2009, 06:55 AM   #4
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Many people claimed that the wagon axles are shorter than the sedan parts, this is not true. The wagon and sedan axles are completely the same.


really? that's awesome news.

did you stretch/compress the joints to be sure? would that even be necessary, or will they settle to a consistent length on their own? (i have no clue.. )
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Old 09-06-2009, 07:59 PM   #5
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really? that's awesome news.

did you stretch/compress the joints to be sure? would that even be necessary, or will they settle to a consistent length on their own? (i have no clue.. )
Big Sky, whom I trust, did measure a small difference in axle length, but it was less than the 10mm change in the link length. I've been running sedan transverse links with wagon axles (one of which even has an outer CV joint with no retaining clip from the factory!) for almost 40k miles now with no problem. And you know how I am with the car.
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Old 09-06-2009, 08:07 PM   #6
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Anyone else running wagon axles with sedan lateral links?
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:01 PM   #7
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I've been running V7 JDM STi lateral links on my 05 wagon for over a year, all season, with no issues what so ever. Similar alignment.
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:38 PM   #8
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Anyone else running wagon axles with sedan lateral links?

Yeah, I am.

It just seemed like i didn't have much room, so i figured the sedan rears would be longer. If not , i have less to worry about.
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Old 09-07-2009, 06:12 AM   #9
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you kept the same rsb and endlinks? no probs with fitment I presume?
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Old 09-07-2009, 07:33 AM   #10
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no, i'm running STi links, so i run STi bars.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:35 PM   #11
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The axles were both balanced by the shaft on a couple blocks of wood, then I pulled the ends back and forth and let them settle under the force of the boots. When they settled, I measured no difference on the axles. I could pull the boots off and measure at full compression and uncompressed to be sure. I'll do that next time I have them out and have some cv boot clamps.

I am still on my kartboy c links with cusco sway bar. I think the rear bar is the same between wagon and wrx sedan since people take the early sedan bars and put them in wagons.

I also trust BigSky's information. It may be entirely possible that the previous wagons and sedans had different rear axles. In order to save cost, they may have made an axle that is good enough for both. When I did a parts search, they seem to have different part numbers, both the sedan and wagon axles were from 06 vehicles.
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Old 09-08-2009, 02:34 AM   #12
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you feel this mod is worth it? gain in track noticeable?
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Old 09-08-2009, 10:34 AM   #13
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The gain in rear track made a difference in the spots that have fast transitions to me. I used to always get tail happy in those spots with the same alignment specs and similar tires. I noticed my speeds through that section were much faster. Now the problem is that the wheels I used to gain the track with my wagon suspension don't fit under the fenders. So I think that to gain the track width, you can either get safe high offset wheels and use sedan links, or get lower offset (+35) wheels and keep wagon arms. It's up to you. Of course, higher offset (+45) is better for component wear, but it's your choice depending on your wheel selection.

I will swap out the front lowers and sway bAr/ link combo when I have time. If I can't find wheels I like to fit right, then it might be time for sedan fenders, doors and quarters.

Is it worth it? For so little money, under $100 with alignment time, it's beneficial.
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Littlewhite, how much were your +35's and 245s touching the fender by? I'm looking into this but I"ll be running 245/4017 on +47s.
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Old 10-26-2009, 03:06 PM   #15
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A lot. The 245/35R17 on 17x8 +35 were not rubbing the fender, they were on the fender. I think if you wanted to use -3 deg of camber, it might clear, but handling would be horrible. 10 mm of positive offset might clear if you have about -2 deg of camber which is still reasonable.

I have 18x7.5 +47 CE28s that wear 235/40R18 Toyo T1R for the street and those clear the quarter panel (completely rolled) but rub slightly on the rear bumper with the -1.5 deg of camber and sedan rear lat links.

Sorry for the delayed response. If you want to see it, you are not far from me. We can meet up. I can also show you how my quarter panel has no more paint on the fender arch because of the contact... and the groove that is 1/2" deep in my Toyo R1R from the track day.
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