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Old 12-17-2009, 10:23 PM   #126
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Are you basing that on that video alone?

Devils advocate: Tire pressure, track prep, and suspension could all need work.
Right!!

1st pass 18psi tire pressure, no track prep 1.67
2nd pass less psi tire pressure 1.56 but had transfer case issue

I think we hit 1.4 with prep track
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:28 AM   #127
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Car also picked up 2mph with the tire...

What other 17" DOT tire has gone 9s on the EVO/STI platform?
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:42 AM   #128
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In this case, obviously not, considering people have cut better 60's by almost two tenths on the tire.
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I have said in past to you Tom, I am not in the tire business, I don't sell tires, I have no tire sponsors, I have nobody giving me tires, I have no dog in the fight of tires, could care less other than my typical sticking my nose into topics of interest, which this one interests me.

I can't speak for everyone but of the drag radials on the market I know of I don't personally know anyone running 13-15 psi of air in them. I could absolutely be wrong but myself, Kevin, Trent, Daniel do not run any of the tires we have tried that low. 18-22 psi is where they seem to like to be run. At the shootout Chris ran the Hoosiers and the BFG's, he had a 1.52 sixty foot on the BFG's, his 4th gear was completely gone as you know so I have no input to his overall ET, that 1.52 was quicker by a good margin than he had the Hoosier that day. Jeff's best was a 1.60 I think and that's a 600+ whp car and Jeff is a good driver. At the same race Project White on the MT's, 18" heavy tire ran a 1.53.

Personally, selling a tire designed for drag racing that isn't producing the best 60' times seems a little "off" to me.

Congrats to Indy for having connections, that is what he brings to the table, tons of connections. Just building a tire with a brochure of specs but not stellar 60' times seems nuts to me. Congrats to you Tom for putting every minute you have into furthering the tune on Indy's car.

The ET/MPH change I see seems to me to be from a lighter tire/wheel package, lighter clutch that actually hooks up and holds the power and continuous work on the tune.

The tire, glad to see it in a 17", too bad it doesn't work for anything but dry use, it's not really recommended for street use (per Tom) and it isn't hooking very well by comparison to other tires that do those other things too.

Bringing a product to market that isn't ready yet won't make a new business stick around for very long.
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I am only posting in here again to make something very clear.

I AM DAVID BUSCHUR, I am only responsible for what DAVID BUSCHUR says or types, nothing else and not from anyone else. I am not in the back ground getting with people to start crap, if Slorice, Big Al or anyone else makes a post it is THEIR own doing and THEIR own freaking opinions. DO NOT drag me or Buschur Racing into all the drama. I am sick of that ****.

I asked my questions in here and made my points, those were mine. Anyone else making posts, those are theirs and have nothing to do with me.

Now carry on leave me and Buschur Racing out of this.

Also, IF there is a problem between myself and Tom, Jim or my momma's baby's momma it is nobody's concern here unless it is posted publically for the rest of you to get involved with.

As far as I know there is no problem though to be clear. Tom and I have not talked but it is apparent and definite that things have changed.

Now that I am fired up and on a roll. Tire testing or any other testing required testing. Running a tire on a car isn't proving jack. You want to test, get two sets of identical wheels with the Hoosier on one and the BFG or something else on the other and then go to the track, rent it so you can actually do some testing. That is testing. Changing a bunch of parts, season changes, tune changes and fuel changes and talking about how good a tire is is not testing a tire. Also testing is good, selling 40 sets of tires and calling that testing is not good. I've found you test and prove something first and then sell it, not the other way around. I'd be hung if I did the same thing, so Tom and Jim you should both expect some grief, welcome to the EVO game of being a vendor. You guys are no longer "the good ole boys helping eveyone out." Now you are 9sec9.com and you will be held accountable for your sales and such by the people here, just like I am and all the other vendors. Welcome to the real world.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:49 AM   #129
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You know the more power you make the harder it is to hook right? So if you put say a BFG 17" or Nitto 17" drag radial on this car it would probably cut 1.8s....

I would say hooking a 1.6/1.5 on a 152mph car with a 17" drag radial is pretty impressive.


Why don't you get to the track so you can add a real record to your signature on EVOM
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:05 AM   #130
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You know the more power you make the harder it is to hook right? So if you put say a BFG 17" or Nitto 17" drag radial on this car it would probably cut 1.8s....

I would say hooking a 1.6/1.5 on a 152mph car with a 17" drag radial is pretty impressive.


Why don't you get to the track so you can add a real record to your signature on EVOM
no really

Think about it, those tire are expensive and there is no real use for them. There is no point.

Why do you want to run 17" wheels and the amazing tires of 9sec9 for your 9 sec car if you are going to cut 1.56 60' ?

I rather run a 16" wheel with Hoosier QTPs (DOT tires) like Cwill and cut a 1.39 60'

Why run this tires with a high 11 low 12 sec car when Indy Evo has only been able to cut a 1.63-1.7? When CJ and Mikey have been able to cut a 1.60 and I think a 1.59 on regular summer tires. + this tire suck in the rain

Just because they send you a couple of sets doesn't mean that you have to like them

Have you seen Mikey's sig here on NASIOC that one is funny
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Old 12-18-2009, 12:10 PM   #131
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I would think that there are other factors that play with 60ft times. Suspension set-up and..oh, the driver.
Also, it takes a little getting used to different tires or set-ups to make it work.
I thought these Hooters were made for the (everyone has them) 17" wheels. Going down to 16 or 15' wheels may work for some cars, but you'll have to change brake set-ups then.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:04 PM   #132
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no really

Think about it, those tire are expensive and there is no real use for them. There is no point.

Why do you want to run 17" wheels and the amazing tires of 9sec9 for your 9 sec car if you are going to cut 1.56 60' ?

I rather run a 16" wheel with Hoosier QTPs (DOT tires) like Cwill and cut a 1.39 60'

Why run this tires with a high 11 low 12 sec car when Indy Evo has only been able to cut a 1.63-1.7? When CJ and Mikey have been able to cut a 1.60 and I think a 1.59 on regular summer tires. + this tire suck in the rain

Just because they send you a couple of sets doesn't mean that you have to like them

Have you seen Mikey's sig here on NASIOC that one is funny
They end up costing as much as a BFG/Nitto

They are for fast cars that want to retain the oem big brakes. I have cut 1.5s on all seasons, does it mean I will put the same all seasons on my car making 500 more whp and still cut 1.5s? That is what you don't seem to get.
Dont even get into the nitto tire, unless you plan on doing a big burn out.. they wont hook for ****.

On the Subaru they will improve gearing vs running a BFG since they only make the 235/40/17.. They will keep you in power longer, and they are lighter.. which helps as well.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:06 PM   #133
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Why run this tires with a high 11 low 12 sec car when Indy Evo has only been able to cut a 1.63-1.7? When CJ and Mikey have been able to cut a 1.60 and I think a 1.59 on regular summer tires. + this tire suck in the rain

Just because they send you a couple of sets doesn't mean that you have to like them

Have you seen Mikey's sig here on NASIOC that one is funny
It may be funny..... But its the truuufe

Ill say this and stand by it. If you have 450whp or less, buy drags, run 18-19psi of tire pressure, a quick slip dump, and hello 1.50-1.60.

I cut about 40 sub 1.65's with my stock turbo, no over exageration. They were all in between me having drive train isues that even still exist. LC, only big turbo guys need it.

I think if my diffs or whatever is going on with my drivetrain was fixed, I'd be able to hit 1.5x's almost every time at a decently prepped track (now). To get a perfect launch, there is def physics and feel. To get a decent launch (high 1.6's), its easy. You just have to not care about the car one bit (like i did for 60k, and now the car doesnt launch, lol)

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Old 12-18-2009, 01:09 PM   #134
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It may be funny..... But its the truuufe
Put a 39/43 on your car for a weekend this season. I will lend you the tires, you can post how you like em... along with the 11sec slip
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:11 PM   #135
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Car also picked up 2mph with the tire...

What other 17" DOT tire has gone 9s on the EVO/STI platform?
Hoosier QTP, 9.5 @ 156 so far from our shop, STM.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:16 PM   #136
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Put a 39/43 on your car for a weekend this season. I will lend you the tires, you can post how you like em... along with the 11sec slip
send me a set son.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:32 PM   #137
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They end up costing as much as a BFG/Nitto

They are for fast cars that want to retain the oem big brakes. I have cut 1.5s on all seasons, does it mean I will put the same all seasons on my car making 500 more whp and still cut 1.5s? That is what you don't seem to get.
Dont even get into the nitto tire, unless you plan on doing a big burn out.. they wont hook for ****.

On the Subaru they will improve gearing vs running a BFG since they only make the 235/40/17.. They will keep you in power longer, and they are lighter.. which helps as well.
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{thumbdwn} since when a 1.67 and a 1.56 is good at that power level {thumbdwn}

It sounds like they don't hook for crap {pcfreak}
That's not really a fair assessment. You have to give people time to get their cars dialed in and get a good 60ft. I mean, geez, these tires have only been out for 5 months now......

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So what other 17" DOT tire has gone 9s on a EVO/STI?

You know the more power you make the harder it is to hook right? So if you put say a BFG 17" or Nitto 17" drag radial on this car it would probably cut 1.8s....


Daniel Buschur's Red Evo went 9.8@148 a few years ago on a set of 17" BFG drag radials. I'm sure there are more too, but he's the first one to come to my mind.




I also know of multiple people cutting low 1.5's on the BFG's.

In my opinion, the BFG drag radial is a real DOT tire.....something that can actually be driven on the street and still cut low 1.5's at the track. The Hoosier drag radial is just a slick tire with a couple grooves in it to get the DOT seal of approval. But its a tire that has been recommended to never take on the street.

This thread is yet another example of a tire that is not performing up to what it was claimed to do.
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Put a 39/43 on your car for a weekend this season. I will lend you the tires, you can post how you like em... along with the 11sec slip
Im completely down for that. All I have to do is fix the drivetrain issue. Ill probably see if jimmy can take the trans/diffs out and take a look at them. Or send it to rallispec to have it analyzed.
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So...... . What does that have to do with what I posted here to you?



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Old 12-18-2009, 05:53 PM   #140
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You know the more power you make the harder it is to hook right? So if you put say a BFG 17" or Nitto 17" drag radial on this car it would probably cut 1.8s....

I would say hooking a 1.6/1.5 on a 152mph car with a 17" drag radial is pretty impressive.


Why don't you get to the track so you can add a real record to your signature on EVOM
Thanks Junior...we haven't finished the work with the tires. Before end of year we expect to take the car to the track and see if we reach 1.4 and run 9.3 - 9.4 We like to do things when all the probabilities go in the opposite direction
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:22 PM   #142
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Very nice guys... I hope I can get these kind of times out of my RS with the 17s.. That is simply awesome!!

Its nice to see a 700+whp car hooking on 17s
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send me a set son.

I missed this the first time around. I was down @ CFT and met one of the RealStreet guys.. they were tuning a twin turbo police interceptor
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JR- For the street which would you like better..... hoosiers, BFG, or MT radials ?
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:38 PM   #145
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JR- For the street which would you like better..... hoosiers, BFG, or MT radials ?
For all around street driving the MT 18" radial that I cut low 1.5s with would be my choice. It was "ok" in the rain, and worked awesome in the dry.. much nicer then the BFG.
For all out street racing action, the Hoosiers get my vote.

Although I did bog the car in the rain with the hoosiers trying to launch it
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Seems like you cant do much driving at all with hoosiers..... probably dangerous as **** in any kind of turns
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Seems like you cant do much driving at all with hoosiers..... probably dangerous as **** in any kind of turns
Na they are not that bad at all.. I wouldnt drive them in the rain though

Dry turning etc was no problem, they felt as good if not better then the bfg/mt

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I see.... thanks for the info!


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Na they are not that bad at all.. I wouldnt drive them in the rain though

Dry turning etc was no problem, they felt as good if not better then the bfg/mt

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I missed this the first time around. I was down @ CFT and met one of the RealStreet guys.. they were tuning a twin turbo police interceptor
Mother ****er you were in Orlando? I heard you were coming down to Sarasota and tuning at that Full Throttle shop, didn't know you would be in Orlando though. Who from the shop did you meet?
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Very nice guys... I hope I can get these kind of times out of my RS with the 17s.. That is simply awesome!!

Its nice to see a 700+whp car hooking on 17s
THANKS!!! More videos..

http://www.grs-motorsports.com/notic...ciembre/10.wmv

http://www.grs-motorsports.com/notic...ciembre/11.wmv
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