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Old 03-08-2001, 01:31 PM   #1
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Well, it finally happened. Ever since I saw the now infamous Olsen-roll, I've wanted my very own car accident. Now I don't mean the kind where someone gets hurt (I would never wish that!) but more the kind where I could have a bond form between me and the subaru that I love. So later on when I've had my subaru for awhile I can have fond memories to look back on. Anyways, I had too suffer through all winter with so and so driving into this and someone else sliding off the road in spectacular fashion... but not me. I drove in all the snowstorms E-braking and drifting everywhere, but I still couldn't lose (complete) control of my car. I pushed my car to the (drivetoyour)limit and NOTHING ever happened! Damn you awd, DAMN YOU! Why couldn't my car behave like a tail happy muscle car? I always thought the fact that I have stock suspension and no rear sway bar (MY95 L) that I was cursed to plow like a honda every time a took a corner. But it is not so. Come with me 90 minutes into the past as I tell you my story:
So I was on the highway driving nice and fast, enjoying the beautiful above freezing weather. And I come upon my exit with not a single car anywhere ahead of me. "Maximum cornering time!" I am thinking, so I start to exit on a nice long sweeping right hander. The pavement is dry and the road is all clear ahead, so I maintain my high rate of speed and my car settles into the corner. All is going well so far.... but what's this? the corner starts to do it's decreasing radius thing faster than I remember. My speed was perfect for the sweeping part of the corner but the hard right is coming up to quickly! BRAKES! The rear end steps out. I let off the brakes. I countersteer. I am watching the inside of the corner move sideways in front of me. All I can hear are four SCREAMING sumitomo's. But all is not lost. I am drifting through the corner perfect! Then I encounter a unfamiliar enemy... the vile and horrid snap-oversteer! One split second I am four wheel drifting like Burns, the next I am facing the outside of the corner and all of its snow covered goodness. And BOOM! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! 25 feet later my car comes to rest deep in the snow. Very deep in the snow. The car's weight is supported by the frame, not the wheels. I have snow on BOTH sides of my radiator. All Wheel Drive becomes All Wheel Spin. So after a half hour of trying to dig out my car, I decided I would walk home. So here I am, car still stuck in the snow... writing to tell about my encounter with the vile, horrid, and usually-accompanied-by-a-too-big-swaybar-but-not-in-my-case snap-oversteer.
I think I will invest in a rollcage, maybe after some driving classes...
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Old 03-08-2001, 01:51 PM   #2
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wow, that's an impressive tale... should posibly go in the monkey's trunk. I hope all is well with your car. least you kept it shiney side up!
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Old 03-08-2001, 02:22 PM   #3
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And at least you didn't fold your wheels under, like I did this week. You need a winch on the front of that thing! Grab the come-along and pull that thing out... and finish your turn
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Old 03-08-2001, 02:34 PM   #4
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WOW - Wild tale.
Is she damaged? Just stuck in snow?
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Old 03-08-2001, 02:42 PM   #5
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It doesn't seem damaged although it was overheating a bit while I was trying to dig it out... but I haven't driven it yet... still stuck.
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Old 03-08-2001, 03:56 PM   #6
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Yea - make sure you clear out the packed snow in the air damn, etc. That will cause it to overheat.
Mike - Where is it?? What exit? I'm up for a scooby rescue. - Kris
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Old 03-08-2001, 05:41 PM   #7
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Mike,

Thanks for the gripping and entertaining story. Glad to hear that the car sounds intact.

All I can say is, "countersteer, countersteer, countersteer". After participating in the Team O'Neil driving schools, I think it's one of the hardest reactions to learn. Or as Tim puts it, "to turn into instinct".

Good luck on your rescue,

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Old 03-08-2001, 05:48 PM   #8
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ughh.. I went to pick it up with a friend of mine (he has a jeep and a tow strap) and when I went there my car was gone! So I called around and found out the towing company and called them. $110 for towing, and they said I had a broken rim and tire... so $289 plus shipping for a speedline pero-R and $109 plus shipping for a sumitomo htrz II. Obviosly I can't spell. And the proper thing to do was go out drinking which I have done. Hmmmm.... Well maybe this makes me think about LIGHTWEIGHT wheels which the speedlines weren't. uhh...whatever.
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Old 03-08-2001, 05:51 PM   #9
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WAC, I did countersteer! And I went into a perfect (for a while) drift. It was the snap oversteer that got me... the thing that happens if you don't countersteer correctly or too much in my case.
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Old 03-08-2001, 06:14 PM   #10
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Ouch. I helped get a kid out of a snow bank the other night.. He took the corner too fast and lost control, poof, snowbank. No damage, the snow was too soft. I grabbed my 10000 lb tow strap and put it in the car so that I don't have to dig em out again. Oh, the LLBean shovel rules!

Make sure you get an aligment, toasting a rim and tire can be enough to bend stuff. I would hate to put a new tire on only to have the aligment out and rip though the tire in 5K miles.

- Ken
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Old 03-08-2001, 06:24 PM   #11
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Mike,

Yes, but you forgot to countersteer the second time. And the third. But you never got that luxury...

It should have been, "countersteer, (repeat as necessary)". I've been in that situation a few times before, and was lucky to survive simply by slamming on the brakes. I didn't learn how to get out of it properly until I took the Rally School.

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Old 03-08-2001, 07:54 PM   #12
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Ah, the infamous hook slide I've fallen prey to a couple of those myself. And that was with a 500 HP camaro, posi can be funny like that

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Old 03-08-2001, 08:32 PM   #13
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Wow, mike I would've liked to have seen it. sounds like you had a semi accident so you have a mini bond with the subie.
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Old 03-09-2001, 05:45 AM   #14
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wac, you are definately right about not countersteering the second time. I was thinking of it this morning, and when I rotated to the right I countersteered alot, but maybe I should have returned the steering wheel to straight while I was drifting. I did not though, so when some speed scrubbed off my car rotated left quickly (the direction my front wheels were pointing) and I could not countersteer the second time fast enough, but I do remember trying. The steering ratio is too slow I think! See this it what happens when people fail to release GT3 on time
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