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Old 08-27-2009, 12:47 PM   #1
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This winter will be my first winter living in the Rocky Mountains. From my understanding, it is sometimes difficult to be mobile up here without studded tires. Can someone here inform me as to where to purchase such tires, and their opinions on what the best ones are? They will most likely be installed on the stock '02 wheels. Thank you in advance.
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Old 08-27-2009, 01:10 PM   #2
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Supposedly the Blizzak L-25's work better on snow and ice than studded tires. I haven't used studded tires since 1989, but I no longer go up snowboarding so I haven't needed a "pure" winter tire. Tire rack is having a sale on closeout Blizzaks right now, pretty good prices.

To answer your specific question though, any tire shop should be able to sipe and stud your winter tires when you buy them, they can only do this to new tires before you drive on them.
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:01 PM   #3
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i really don't think there's any need for studded winter tires in colorado. they do such a good job of cleaning the roads out there.
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:36 PM   #4
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Supposedly the Blizzak L-25

the ws-# tires, maybe. Not the lm-# tires.
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:58 PM   #5
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i really don't think there's any need for studded winter tires in colorado. they do such a good job of cleaning the roads out there.
They generally do, but where I live at 10,000' it's apparently very easy to get snowed in. I live off of a series of gravel roads that shoot off of a main road.


Thank you very much UFOpilot. That is the info that I needed.
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Old 08-27-2009, 03:08 PM   #6
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the ws-# tires, maybe. Not the lm-# tires.
Oh, I am out of touch as I live where "winter" consists mostly of rain, with maybe a week of snow. Last winter however was a bit more severe than the norm. I use all-seasons for winter.
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:33 PM   #7
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They generally do, but where I live at 10,000' it's apparently very easy to get snowed in. I live off of a series of gravel roads that shoot off of a main road.
where abouts?

if you do end up getting studded tires, go ice racing with this group: http://www.ourgangiceracing.com/

and studded tires take all the fun out of driving in the snow
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:34 PM   #8
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They generally do, but where I live at 10,000' it's apparently very easy to get snowed in. I live off of a series of gravel roads that shoot off of a main road.
I'm thinking you need a tractor &/or old truck with a plow on the front... Studded tires or not, a subaru at stock ride height still won't compare to a decent 4x4 truck.
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:57 PM   #9
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both the WS60 and ther Michelin X-Ice XI2 out perform studded tires in the ice and snow
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Old 08-27-2009, 05:44 PM   #10
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I have a truck with plow already at my disposal. I have to drive back and forth up and down the mountain for my job and a truck's gas mileage just won't cut it. Besides, I have way more fun and control in my subbie than I would ever have in any other car.

Luke, can you PM me full set prices of both of the tires you mentioned for the stockers. If skinnier is better, let me know (currently sitting on 225s).
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:19 PM   #11
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both the WS60 and ther Michelin X-Ice XI2 out perform studded tires in the ice and snow

I'm glad i'm not the only one to say that...
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:54 AM   #12
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both the WS60 and ther Michelin X-Ice XI2 out perform studded tires in the ice and snow
Luke, if you had pick one of those for areas like Colorado or the Sierras which one edges the other one, or is it too close to tell?
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:26 AM   #13
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isn't the ws-60/lm-25 being replaced by the lm-60?
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:51 PM   #14
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lm-25 is being replaced by the lm-60.

LM-# tires are performance winter compound, WS-# tires are snow and ice tires. The number, presumably, is the tread designation.
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Hi Luke,

I was wondering if TireRack has any really cheap steel wheels to mount my winter tires on? All that come up are performance wheels.

Thanks,
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I just bought a set of Blizzak WS-60s for the car last night in a 225/45/17. Was told they are equal to or better than studs by several people.
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Luke, if you had pick one of those for areas like Colorado or the Sierras which one edges the other one, or is it too close to tell?
I love the Blizzaks but, the Michelins feel less squirmy when you are not in the snow and ice
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:01 PM   #18
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I was wondering if TireRack has any really cheap steel wheels to mount my winter tires on? All that come up are performance wheels.

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have steelies for some vehicels and will have more in the near future .. what kind of vehicle?
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I have a truck with plow already at my disposal. I have to drive back and forth up and down the mountain for my job and a truck's gas mileage just won't cut it. Besides, I have way more fun and control in my subbie than I would ever have in any other car.

Luke, can you PM me full set prices of both of the tires you mentioned for the stockers. If skinnier is better, let me know (currently sitting on 225s).
give me a call or E-mail
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I love the Blizzaks but, the Michelins feel less squirmy when you are not in the snow and ice
Thanks Luke
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both the WS60 and ther Michelin X-Ice XI2 out perform studded tires in the ice and snow
The WS60 and XI2 will outperform a studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta 5, or a studded Gislaved Nord Frost 5 on ice? I find that hard to believe. Sure, they can outperform an ancient design like the studded WinterForce tire, but the WS60 and XI2 will not outperform the best modern studded tires on ice.
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Ever driven on a set? They really are phenomenal.

Last ice race I whipped a few guys running studded hakkas with a set of ws-60's. The next fastest car was running ws-50's.



If you run your finger along a set of worn-in blizzaks, the tire feels like it's made of foam. It's wild. The hakkas just felt like normal rubber.


EDIT: figured i should mention - on glare ice i can brake hard enough to pitch people forward in their seats.
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