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Old 08-31-2009, 06:32 PM   #1
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This thread is directed specifically to Luke from Tire Rack, but anybody with knowledge of the tire in question is welcome to share their thoughts.

Doing some initial shopping for a new set of winter tires, I came across the new Continental ExtremeWinterContact at the Tire Rack. Seems like an excellent deal at $90/ea for my preferred 205/55/16 size. I was originally planning on buying a set of Dunlop Winter Sport 3Ds, but I'd rather have a non-directional tire I can rotate to the other side of the car. The low price is icing on the cake.

The Contis are listed as "Studless Ice and Snow" instead of "Performance Winter" so I presume they have better grip on ice and in deep snow than the Dunlops at the expense of some dry road traction. So my questions are these:

How "squirmy" is the new Conti? As bad as a Graspic DS2 or Blizzak WS50?

Will it hold up to the occasional fast entrance ramp in the dry?

How's the ride quality?

How about road noise?

Durability?

I realize the tire is brand new, but I'm hoping someone has spent some quality time with it.
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Old 09-01-2009, 02:03 PM   #2
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we will be testing those tires later this month .... I will report back when I have had an opportunity to drive them...
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Old 09-01-2009, 05:51 PM   #3
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Great. I look forward to your impressions.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:25 PM   #4
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Bump for input from Luke.

Luke- Did you have the chance to drive this tire last Friday?
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:03 AM   #5
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yep ... still composing my thoughts ... I also was at the Ice Box yesterday to drive them on the skating rink.

more to come ...
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:38 AM   #6
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Good to hear you'll have some slick surface comments as well.

Thanks.
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Old 09-24-2009, 04:03 PM   #7
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yep it's coming

When ever tire companies come out with new products we need to understand who is bringing what to the table. Winter tires are no different but, it's mid-September and 75 degrees outside, how can we figure them out? The road manners, ride quality and noise is the easy part to figure out since it's not as temperature dependent.

Understanding what will happen in slippery conditions requires a bit more creativity. So, we turned to our friends over at The Ice Box, which is a hockey / ice skating rink here in South Bend, Indiana where Holy Cross College plays their home games and the local youth hockey leagues can be found most weekends. Yes, we took the test cars to the ice to find out what works best during the worst winter conditions.



While slip sliding around on the ice we learned each tires limits accelerating, braking and cornering. It is pretty strange hearing tires squeal on ice, which is exactly that happens when the top performers are pushed to the limits of their traction.

we were focused on 4 tires this time around

* Bridgestone Blizzak WS60
* Dunlop Graspic DS3
* Continental Extreme Winter Contact
* Bridgestone Blizzak LM60


My 'seat of the pants' evaluation is that the Blizzak WS60 was able to hold onto its' #1 ranking on the ice follow closely by the Continental.
The entire test results should be published on TireRack.com shortly.

The Continental offering was very surprising. It was better than the WS60 on the dry streets with less tread squirm and less road noise and finished a strong second on the ice.

The new Blizzak LM60 is the new high performance winter from Bridgestone and it is the same compound and construction as the Blizzak LM25 with the tread design of the WS60 which will give it better snow traction than the LM25 delivered.

Graspic DS3 is an good upgrade for Dunlop in the studless winter category but, still isn't WS60, XI2 or Extreme winter grippy

What does it all mean? To me and my family it means the Blizzaks, which are currently in my garage, will soon be back on the road inspiring safe, confident and controlled driving again this year. Isn't that what winter tires are truly all about?

Anybody know what this winters over/under is for ... cold enough for ya?

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Old 09-24-2009, 05:04 PM   #8
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wow.....i like tirerack
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Old 09-24-2009, 06:59 PM   #9
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When ever tire companies come out with new products we need to understand who is bringing what to the table. Winter tires are no different but, it's mid-September and 75 degrees outside, how can we figure them out? The road manners, ride quality and noise is the easy part to figure out since it's not as temperature dependent.


While slip sliding around on the ice we learned each tires limits accelerating, braking and cornering. It is pretty strange hearing tires squeal on ice, which is exactly that happens when the top performers are pushed to the limits of their traction.

we were focused on 4 tires this time around

* Bridgestone Blizzak WS60
* Dunlop Graspic DS3
* Continental Extreme Winter Contact
* Bridgestone Blizzak LM60


My 'seat of the pants' evaluation is that the Blizzak WS60 was able to hold onto its' #1 ranking on the ice follow closely by the Continental.
The entire test results should be published on TireRack.com shortly.

The Continental offering was very surprising. It was better than the WS60 on the dry streets with less tread squirm and less road noise and finished a strong second on the ice.

The new Blizzak LM60 is the new high performance winter from Bridgestone and it is the same compound and construction as the Blizzak LM25 with the tread design of the WS60 which will give it better snow traction than the LM25 delivered.

Graspic DS3 is an good upgrade for Dunlop in the studless winter category but, still isn't WS60, XI2 or Extreme winter grippy

Anybody know what this winters over/under is for ... cold enough for ya?
Good news on the Contis, that's what I was hoping to hear. Good ice/snow traction without all the tread squirm of a WS series Blizzak.

My usage puts me between "Studless Ice and Snow" and "Performance Winter". Most of the time around here the roads are cleared quickly after a snow, so I drive on dry pavement. Then every other week I take a ski trip to Duluth or Lutsen, and once a month I visit my parents in rural northern Minnesota. The highway driving stinks on squirmy tires like the WS50s I had on my old OBS, but the traction was welcome on the back roads by my folks place.

Looks like the Contis are the winner for me.

Hey Luke, is there any way to purchase the tires through my mounting shop (so they make a little $$ on them) while still giving NASIOC the credit?

As to the over-under on weather, it's an El-Nino year which usually means mild temperatures with above average snowfall here in Minnesota. Yipee for skiers like myself.
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The test results are now available for those interested:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...irePageLocQty=
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:01 AM   #11
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I'm feeling good about my Conti purchase, have a pair sitting in the garage waiting to go on a set of spare rims later this week.

I'll note for anyone seeking outside reviews. The Continentals also go by the name Viking Contact 5 in other parts of the world. It's nice to see the Contis doing so well. It's also really interesting to see the WS60 absolutely dominate the polished ice segment.

Tirerack's getting pretty darn scientific with their testing now.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:13 PM   #12
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The test results are now available for those interested:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...irePageLocQty=
Are you sure? The date states January 29 2009. It does not look fresh to me.

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we were able to test them in pre-production .. .the date is correct ...

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Old 11-04-2009, 06:19 PM   #13
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Are you sure? The date states January 29 2009. It does not look fresh to me.

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Something doesn't add up here. The Extreme Winter Contact wasn't even available in January 2009. Typo possibly?
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Are you sure? The date states January 29 2009. It does not look fresh to me.

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Well, I just noticed that as well. However, the test results for Conti EWC was not available couple weeks ago.

Anyway, some data for Conti from Tirerack.com
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Old 11-09-2009, 11:47 PM   #15
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I just put a set on my Forester. I'm running their 205/60/R16. I have no clue when the snow will fall, but dry road impressions are favorable. These are a single ply sidewall tire, so they will bit a bit balloon like in nature and squirmy. I have mine set at 40psi. I tend to prefer around that pressure on most tires. The ride quality is decent: firm, responsive, not really bouncy. Ultimate grip is low, and there is a lot of tire flex when pushed. This is of course expected. You feel decently planted and decently responsive driving on these tires. Under braking or heavy maneuvers, they do show you that they are not summer tires and are squishy/squirmy as expected but not poorly controlled which is good. From the test results, I'm expecting pretty stellar winter traction once the snow falls.

I run a set of RE01Rs for summer, and my previous winter tires now turned spring/fall/rally-x tires are LM-25 performance winters. By the way, the LM-25 is an awesome all weather tire, very at home in the dry, wet, snow, and ice. they've even proved very competent on dirt in rally-x. For a broad spectrum tire, they lack weakness. Their broad function ability has surprised me greatly. I'll note that I came from Nokian WR to them, and I find the LM-25 to be a universally better tire by a sizable margin.
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Reviving this thread from the dead. Looks like the Conti's just beat out the new WS-70 in the latest TR review. Luke, do you still prefer the Blizzaks?
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I run a set of RE01Rs for summer, and my previous winter tires now turned spring/fall/rally-x tires are LM-25 performance winters. By the way, the LM-25 is an awesome all weather tire, very at home in the dry, wet, snow, and ice. they've even proved very competent on dirt in rally-x. For a broad spectrum tire, they lack weakness. Their broad function ability has surprised me greatly. I'll note that I came from Nokian WR to them, and I find the LM-25 to be a universally better tire by a sizable margin.
Just saw this after the resurrection.

Did you run the LM-25s all summer? How was the tread life? That's one of the real strengths of the WR, my mom got 75k out of hers.
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75k out of a tire that is winter rated? Holy ****, they must not be very soft tires.
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Well, my mom does a lot of highway driving and isn't very aggressive in her 90hp VW Jetta Tdi. That said the tread wear warranty on the WR is 60k miles (not that warranties are worth much).

The times I've pushed the Jetta and my Dad's Audi Allroad on the WRs in the summer they seemed to have decent grip. Above average for an all season tire IMHO.
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I like how in the introductory review of the WS-70, they beat the X-Ice Xi2 in every category of winter grip; then in the next comparison test, the WS-70 get 3rd place behind both the X-Ice and Conti's. Any idea why that is?
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=136
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I like how in the introductory review of the WS-70, they beat the X-Ice Xi2 in every category of winter grip; then in the next comparison test, the WS-70 get 3rd place behind both the X-Ice and Conti's. Any idea why that is?
I saw that too. I put it down to variances in tires, testing methods and cars (new BMWs this year, right?) To me the takeaway is they're all very comparable in performance and the tire that performs best in one application will not necessarily perform best in another application.
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well, the test conditions were quite different ... the introductory test was done in Colorado in very snowy conditions and the most recent test was done in July with the ice portion of the testing done on a hockey rink. Knowing that the design change from the WS60 to the WS70 was primarily to increase the snow traction it doesn't surprise me that the first test showed the WS70 in a more favorable light. Looking at the results of the most recent test you will see that both the Continental Extreme Winter Contact and the X-Ice XI2 were better in the more subjective categories when driven on dry and wet streets in warm temps.

Real word testing this coming winter should be very interesting ....

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Looks like fun!
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