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Old 11-08-2004, 02:53 PM   #276
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99 Outback
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No problems except for piston slap when cold, just ran compression test on it and got over 190 in all cylinders...
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Old 11-09-2004, 03:40 PM   #277
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Holy hell, wish I had seen this thread last month...

98 Legacy Outback Limited
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No problems except I hate cup holders until...
75,000 miles had the oil pump replaced(blown bearing) and timing belt replaced.

Turned over 100k and replaced with plat. plugs, installed K&N air filter, flushed motor oil and replaced with Mobil 1. Two days later driving to parents house temp gauge goes "H" land. Okay no problem, wanted to replace rad cap with higher pressure and t-stat with lower temp from Crucial racing anyway; so i do and flush the coolant which looks old and was gonna be replaced anyway.

Still running hot and coolant bottle full and dripping over engine. No smoke from tailpipe so i figure it cant be that bad even though the idiot needle still playing the "H" dance. Well i take Scoobie to the dealer and they say it's not overheating but that i do have an outstanding recall to replace the front struts and that they bled the coolant just to make sure.(I ordered new antenna motor also because mine just broke) Well that makes me think everything is ok but i know it's not because on the way to work couple of days later the temp starts jumping again...

Back to the dealer... "well the EJ25 block is all aluminum and once it overheats there's nothing you can do, no it's probably not the HGs because those are really rugged"; "yup you're gonna have to get a new engine, we'll install a used motor for you for $6000 or $9000 for a new one".

YEAH RIGHT LIKE I'VE GOT THAT KIND OF CASH!!!

"We're sorry there's nothing we can do to help you." "Next please."

Well I know a mechanic who can hook me and he installs a used EJ25 for me with only 30K on it for $2500: but now that i've seen this thread it seems it just won't matter because it's only a matter of time before this POS detonates on me too...
Damn i should have just stuck with Hondas...
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Old 11-09-2004, 06:36 PM   #278
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I am a victim of the head gaskets too when I hit about 78k. I noticed smoking from the motor when I went down to Northwest subie show. I was afraid of what might happen on the trip back to seattle, but fortunately it was just the head gaskets and not the whole engine.

That price they quoted you is ridiculous. For that amount of money you can swap your motor out with a WRX motor.
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:41 PM   #279
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That price they quoted you is ridiculous. For that amount of money you can swap your motor out with a WRX motor.
For that kind of coinage, you can do a whole STI engine and drivetrain swap.

BTW - $2500 for a 30K mile 2.5L DOHC engine replacement is not a bad price. Figure $1-$1.5K for the engine (certified) and another $1K for the install is a good deal - figure in new engine mounts, coolant, replacement belts (because you were going to do that anyway right), etc., and you're sitting at ~$2500

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Old 12-13-2004, 03:09 PM   #280
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98 Legacy GT
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104k miles when we sold it earlier this year
Five speed

Never leaked, never had any problems. Owned the car from 31k on, my wife and I hardly beat on it (no runs to redline or anything), just lots of commuting and drives to VT. Great car.
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Old 12-26-2004, 09:52 PM   #281
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Ha!

MY98 Legacy 2.5GT sedan Phase I DOHC 5-Speed
135k now
Head gaskets blew at about 127k-ish, was about 45 highway minutes away from home when I noticed the temp surge all the way up. Pulled over and let her cool off, reserve tank started bubbling over...shoulda been my first signal but I was clueless. Felt all hoses, bottom was cold, figured the therm was just stuck shut. Drove it home with a halfway normal temp, no problems, next day changed therm and flushed/replaced coolant...ran fine for 3 hours, started overheating again...noticed bubbles in reserve tank again....yup it was the gaskets. But a good friend in the auto parts biz and $600 later its running good as new...knock on wood! However - not to go offtopic - I noticed it will come up to operating temp really slow...then if I accelerate hard or am just cruising on the highway the temp may DROP as low to 25% (50% being normal operating temp) or anywhere imbetween....I figure the therms getting stuck open..?? Oh well...will wait for a day when it hits at least 50 degrees before I go changing the therm and coolant again...


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Old 12-31-2004, 02:35 PM   #282
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Unhappy another one bites the dust

Looks like I am another unhappy customer:

MY99 GT wagon - auto
110,000 Km

Driving fully loaded with Christmas stuff, dog and kids up a long hill. Stopped a few miles later, I smell coolant and the needle begins to climb. Shut down engine. There is coolant barfing out of the resevior. A few minutes later the resevoir gets sucked dry. I filled up the resevoir and drove another 200 miles without any more problem. Hopefully I caught it before doing block damage.
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Old 01-04-2005, 06:48 PM   #283
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Hey guys, is this the first sign of HG problem?? I am seeing oil in my coolent, but no overheating yet...I have a 98RS with 140,000 miles on it..... I call the dealer, and is going to cost $1,500 they will have to send it to a shop to get it block or something for re-surfacing.....help!!! =(

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Old 01-04-2005, 06:53 PM   #284
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A bad HG can show itself in many ways.

Who long are your trips? If you do lots of short trips, you could be seeing condensation in the oil. If you go on longer trips, it boils off.

I would be looking for the coolant level dropping and the oil level rising to be concerned.

Let us know.

BTW, having the block and/or heads resurfaced is not "usually" needed, but may be.
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Old 01-04-2005, 06:59 PM   #285
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Thx for reply,

I drive about 42 miles to and back from work and mostly all highway mile. (70 mph speed limit)

If no oil temp raising or coolent level droping then I should not be concern? Then
how do you explain the oil (black stuff in the coolant)

How do you determine if you need to resurface your head? When the stealership
said that ...are they really trying to steal from me?!?!?!

thx again =)
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Old 01-05-2005, 05:07 PM   #286
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Check the coolant level in the rad too. If you are losing coolant, it is probably the HG. The temp will shoot up once you lose enough coolant to have no flow through the water pump.
The heads are usually measured against a flat edge to check for warpage. If there is more warp than the spec, a new gasket will fail quickly if you don't mill the heads down. If the warping is too severe a new engine may be needed. Then give serious consideration to a WRX/STi conversion.
My dealer put the "conditioner" in and thinks I should monitor it for awhile. I am not hopeful.
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Old 01-05-2005, 07:33 PM   #287
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Check the coolant level in the rad too. If you are losing coolant, it is probably the HG. The temp will shoot up once you lose enough coolant to have no flow through the water pump.
The heads are usually measured against a flat edge to check for warpage. If there is more warp than the spec, a new gasket will fail quickly if you don't mill the heads down. If the warping is too severe a new engine may be needed. Then give serious consideration to a WRX/STi conversion.
My dealer put the "conditioner" in and thinks I should monitor it for awhile. I am not hopeful.
Yeah, The conditioner is for external phase2 engine leaks, Not even for phase 1's so my dealer says..

Hey, How's the wagon? Looked great in bits...
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:00 AM   #288
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Yeah, The conditioner is for external phase2 engine leaks, Not even for phase 1's so my dealer says..

Hey, How's the wagon? Looked great in bits...

It's stupid fast. Definitely worthwhile.
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:30 AM   #289
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okay, I'll finally post in this thread.

1998
Legacy GT Sedan
5-Speed
102,852 miles

No problems with the car except the rear main oil seal developed the common leak and oil dripped on the exhaust when the car was warm. Had that fixed when I had the timing belt done and no problems since then.

On a fast and furious drive in the hills and canyons with a WRX group I had one temperature spike after a steep uphill section. I coasted down hill on the other side and the temp went right back down. I have never had that happen again so I am thinking it may have just been the thermostat (85,000 miles).

Fingers crossed for the inevitable.
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Old 01-06-2005, 12:43 PM   #290
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My car doesn't die, just gets reborn

(when I blew my head gasket... BTW its a common problem)
MY-99 SUS!
Miles-67kish
Trans- Auto (wish wasn't)
Age-Almost 6yrs
Name-The Legacy

but than 9 months later (2 months ago)

81k over 6yrs Engine blows... WARRENTIED (so was the head gasket last year)
Engine rebuilt and she is back. Says 82k but its really 1k :+)

Right now, it ain't bad for a car about to be 7 yrs old. Got MANNNY more mods to go. Just wish wasn't auto
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Old 01-06-2005, 01:25 PM   #291
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HG went at 113k on my 97 OB about a week ago
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Old 01-10-2005, 11:17 PM   #292
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10 Jan 05
I just got my 1999 Legacy Outback repaired for a blown head gasket at my local Subaru dealer it had 72058 miles on it.
One of the great things about the Internet is that it is hard to hide a problem as big as this. One of my co-workers called is favorite independent Subaru repair facility and put me on the line. He said even if it has not blown yet he could pull the heads and show me where the gasket is wearing thru. It is not if it is going to blow it is when will it blow. He said they all suffer from this 1998 to 2002. After that Subaru got the head gasket designed correctly. Of the 15 emails I sent to Subaru America I have gotten one response telling me I was not covered by WWP-99, but they would not say anything about the quality of gasket used in 1999.

Dear Mr. Payne:
Thank you for your email. We are showing that your concern is currently
being handled by Ms. Renee Fricke. As you correctly indicated in your
email, your vehicle was not affected by the voluntary service program
WWP-99 and therefore is not eligble for financial assistance.
We regret that we cannot the provide the answer that you seek, but
thank you for allowing us to restate our position.
Regards,
Thomas Havas
Subaru of America,


I also got these two. He is telling me not to believe what I read on the Internet. Does that mean all the people that have head gasket problems are not telling the truth?

Dear Mr. Payne:
Thank you for your email. Subaru of America, Inc. cannot comment on
what is being published on commercial websites. We can however assure you that Subaru of America is committed to producing the finest quality all wheel drive vehicles on the market.
We would also caution you against relying heavily on what is published
On the internet. We would encourage you to supplement your research by
reviewing commercially published consumer magazines which routinely
rank our vehicles among the top in their class.
Best Wishes!!!
Thomas Havas
Subaru of America,


Hello Mr. Payne:
Thank you for taking the time to send your message to the Editors of
'Drive Magazine.' We are sorry to learn of your concerns with your 1999 Outback.
We noted that you have already contacted our Customer/Dealer Services
Center by phone and with a similar email as the one below. If you need to contact us regarding this situation, please phone the Customer/Dealer Services Center at 1-800-782-2783 referring to case number xxxxxx.
Sincerely,
John J. Mergen
Subaru of America

I have sent 15 emails to different people at Subaru these are the only response I have gotten. I would think that if there were no problem with older 2.5L engines that Subaru America would be all over the place trying to find out who is spreading this disinformation about their head gasket. I know why they are quite it because there is a problem and if they admit it they would have to do something about it.

These are the links I sent Subaru America, the Auto Editor of my local paper and Consumer Reports Magazine. The more we can get this problem printed in the newspaper and magazine the more people will become aware.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184026

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...=head%20gasket

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze730qe/H...placement.html

http://wac.addr.com/auto/obs/headgasket/headgasket.html

http://users.sisna.com/ignatius/subaru/headgasket.html

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=100257

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/sho...1004#post11004

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze730qe/guestlog.html

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Re...d=2644&src=vip

I brought this car based on the reliably of past Subaruís. This is my third Subaru. I can see that the past is not a good indicator of present reliably so this will be my last Subaru.

John
Sacramento, Ca.
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Old 01-11-2005, 12:14 AM   #293
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John, we all agree that the phase-1 DOHC HG's suck. We all agree that the phase-2 HG's are a "bit" better.

We also all agree that SOA has left the DOHC guys out to dry. I have had similar emails with SOA to no avail. My problem was that my first one went at ~96K miles, way out of warranty.
This is about the time I found several Subaru forums.

Knowing what I know now, I am waiting until the new GT's get some miles on them before I upgrade.

Do what you want, but for the money and what you get, Subaru is still a pretty good deal.
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Old 01-11-2005, 03:20 AM   #294
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Just stumbled across this thread.

'98GT Sedan
4EAT
137,000

No HG problem just the oil leak fixed with the timing belt.
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Old 01-11-2005, 01:30 PM   #295
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98 GT limited
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83000miles cam seals/cam pos. sensor/head gaskets/piston slap (machine gun style)
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99 GT limited
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91000miles cam seals/cam pos. sensor/ head gaskets/soft piston slap
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98 GT
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just bought it... and pray to GOD that i dont hear or have any of those problems!!!!!!!

SOA should at least discount replacement blocks and labor rates for this common problem.... its not good business...
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:09 PM   #296
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Quote:
We would encourage you to supplement your research by
reviewing commercially published consumer magazines which routinely
rank our vehicles among the top in their class.
John:

I haven't looked at Consumer Reports regarding used cars in a while, but hasn't the "engine problems" category on Phase 1 2.5's (1997-1999) gone downhill over the last several years, indicating more problems than average compared to other makes of car? I wonder how they would explain that coming from a commercially published consumer magazine? Of course the corporate response will be, "no problems", and if they're past warranty as many are then why should they admit a problem? They're not here to be nice guys, they exist to make money. I still think Subaru's are great, still bought an '03 w/ the 2.5 knowing of previous problems, and will buy others in the future. But it's not fun distrusting my '97 on long trips.

BTW one of those links in John's post is mine:
http://users.sisna.com/ignatius/subaru/headgasket.html
I'm going to be famous You didn't include the only one that actually had numbers data, the one from Autobild... is that not a commercially published consumer magazine?

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Old 01-11-2005, 05:11 PM   #297
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Well I just like let you guys know that my car is at the shop right now for the
HG repair. The engine is out, and the shop just got the re-surfaced head back.
I told him while he is in there go and change the themo too.....

He say he will have the car back to me late tomorrow or first thing Thur. morning. The total....$1,500

My car has 140,000 km on it......so guys after the repair (hopefully with the updated parts) will this problem occure again??

I sure hope I can drive this thing to 200,000 km.....hope that's not asking too much out of my RS....

I am broke...help me
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Old 01-11-2005, 07:01 PM   #298
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So if this is a block issue. If someone has there block replaced after 50K miles with a new one, should everyone assume that this could happen again in another 50K - after the warranty has run OUT. Nice...
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:15 PM   #299
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98 Sub Legacy Outback 80,000 miles. Just got word that I need a new block and am filing a class action lawsuit against Subaru for making their loyal owners put up with this.

I would never buy another Subaru again after dealing with such incompetant engineering and blatant negligence. Pathetic.
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Old 01-12-2005, 01:56 AM   #300
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I have a 96 Legacy GT with almost 94k miles, owned since new and a daily driver, will be 9 years old next month, no HG problems.
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