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Old 05-08-2002, 01:04 AM   #26
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So after all that, I went ahead and bit the bullet.

I just ordered:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=19981

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=21220

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=2224

I looked at several of the analog gauges and couldn't decide. This digital unit had the largest range, so I figured what the heck. I guess I will mount it in the front left corner of the dash since our state inspection sticker takes up that portion of the windshield.
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Old 05-08-2002, 02:11 AM   #27
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Just so most of you know...Subaru has a Recall on Alternators going on for Late 96's, 97's and some 98's....You just have to call your local service center and give them your vin...and they will tell you if your alternator is affected by the recall...

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Old 05-08-2002, 04:57 PM   #28
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pleiades- Looks good. Make sure you take a few pics of the install, I am going to get one too.
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Old 05-08-2002, 05:11 PM   #29
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I'll try to borrow a digital camera, or just shoot some film. Hopefully it will be here Friday, so i can install in Saturday.
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Old 05-10-2002, 08:17 AM   #30
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It's really is true that once you sticky something, nobody sees it! lol.....

Installed the thermostat last night. The car *seems* to be ok now. Fingers crossed! Temp gauge should be here today. I would like to put a bullet through the stock gauge!
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Old 05-10-2002, 03:59 PM   #31
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Well I sort of have an update: (not that anyone is looking at this anymore since it has been stickied.)

I may very well have a bad head gasket(s). It seems to be pushing air into the cooling system. My real fear is that it's worse (block). Either way, not fun. On the other hand, my new temp gauge came in today. I'm going to try to install it tonight. If I don't get to drunk in the process! lol.....
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Old 05-10-2002, 04:59 PM   #32
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I'm still checking the thread. I'm set up to receive e-mail whenever there's a reply, so I check it every time. That's too bad about your situation. I hope it's not any more serious than the head gasket. Good luck with the install, and the drinking.

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Old 05-10-2002, 06:30 PM   #33
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MY-98 GT Limited, 30th Annv. Sedan
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Only problems were the recalls, a bulb burnt out in the ac controls, and had to replace the master cylinder. I also have a 100k mile warranty and am hoping for an STi before I hit 100k or 6 years. I used Mobil 1 oil since I got the car as a demo with 6k miles on it and switched all the other fluids over to Mobil 1 synthetic at the 30k mile mark.

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Old 05-10-2002, 06:30 PM   #34
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i may now have a bad head gasket as of yesterday. for those of you who have blown them; did the coolant reservoir overflow? my engine overheated and i pulled over to the side to let it cool and noticed the reservoir was unusually high. could this just be a clog in the coolant? i don't think a thermostat would cause these symptoms. i'm at 68,000 with no warranty left. anybody replaced the gaskets themselves with the motor in the car? i don't think there is much room to work with but is it possible? help please?
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Old 05-10-2002, 06:44 PM   #35
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Hmm, has it overheated?
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Old 05-10-2002, 07:46 PM   #36
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noahr: When exactly does it overheat? Can you go out and start the car after it is cool and it will sit and idle fine? Can you drive it arround ok? It's possible that it's the block. After talking to a long time Subaru mechanic this afternoon I fear my block is cracked.

Does anyone remember the whole phase 1, phase 2 block stuff? I talked with Dale Teague on the phone earlier and we confirmed that I still have a crappy phase 1 block. I thought that they replaced my original engine (37k miles roughly) with a phase 2, but apparently they wanted to use up all the phase 1 blocks they could and must have decided that I would be out of warranty by the time it went again. Maybe I should ask Subaru to give me a phase 2 block, like they should have done in the first place!

Hey Subaru, what do you say? I'll even cover the labor! What an offer! Gee, I'm a nice guy!
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Old 05-11-2002, 01:04 AM   #37
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I did the grounding mod, reset the ecu, idled the motor to normal temp, then shut it off. i went for a drive and pushed the motor to train the ecu. in the middle of my drive looked down and saw the idiot gauge in the h zone. i pulled over and let the motor idle to cool down-took about 20 min. the temp gauge normally runs a little below halfway. it was a little above halfway when i started driving again and when the air started hitting it it went back down. the car ran fine and then when i got home and idled the car, the temp gauge went back up slightly. the reservoir was high again and there was evidence of it overflowing. I had noticed the reservoir overflowing a few days earlier, but the engine was running at normal temp. the car idles fine and runs without overheating but i have been very cautious drving it and have not pushed it since yesterday.
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Old 05-11-2002, 09:07 AM   #38
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Are your fans coming on? Maybe you knocked a connection loose or blew a fuse when you did the grounding mod.
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Old 05-11-2002, 09:54 AM   #39
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noahr:

I had done the grounding mod just prior to my car overheating. I can think of no reason why this would cause my car to have the symptoms it is having, but as soon as I install the new temp gauge today, I'm going to remove the extra ground wires, do a prayer dance to the scoobie gods and try it again.
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Old 05-11-2002, 03:07 PM   #40
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Things don't look good.

I installed the new temp gauge and removed the grounding mod wires (just in case) and the car is still doing the same thing. I have figured out what it is doing: I can drive around town fine, even drive it hard, and it's fine. I can bomb up and down a hill and it's fine. But when I turn onto flat ground after coming down the hill it overheats. Apparently, the car is creating an air pocket as I drive it and when I go down the hill the bubble goes into the top of the engine or heater core. When I turn onto the flat ground and accelerate the bubble moves into the water pump creating an air-lock and no longer circulating the water, therefore it isn't cooling the engine. This must also be why the thermostat seemed to be stuck. Since the water pump was air locked, it wasn't circulating any hot coolant into the radiator and the radiator cooled very quickly. Also this would explain the air bubbles coming up in the coolant overflow tank once the car is stopped and turned off. So, either there is some problem with the water pump that it is taking on air (wouldn't that be a nice thought), or the head gasket is letting air into the block, or the block is cracked. I do have a phase 1 block as I mentioned before, so who knows. In talking with that guy at the dealer yesterday, he said that every car that has ever done what mine is doing (that he has worked on) has been a cracked block. I'm going to try to take some pictures of my gauge and both a phase 1 and phase 2 block so everyone can see which engine they have.
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Old 05-11-2002, 07:33 PM   #41
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Well, *****...
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Old 05-11-2002, 09:13 PM   #42
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I think I'm in the same situation you guys are in with your Phase I engines. I have a 97 GT 5-speed with 92k miles. I just bought the car in April and I hadn't even put 200 miles on it when I noticed it was overheating! I pulled over asap and opened up the hood to find coolant and oil all over the engine. I had my mechanic check it out and he said there wasn't any coolant in the oil, but there was a ton of oil in the radiator. So does this sound like a head gasket or a cracked block? I should find out on Monday what's wrong with it, but I am praying to the Subie gods that its just a head gasket. Any info you guys have would be greatly appreciated it. I'll keep ya posted as to what I find out. Wish us all luck!

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Old 05-11-2002, 10:00 PM   #43
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Damn it is hard to believe there are this many problems with the phase1, mine runs sooooo good. Those are famous last words aren't they?

I run mine hard, I want all the problems to show up before the 2006/104,000 mark. I just turned 67k so I have plenty of time. I paid $1000 dollars for a 4 year/48k mile warranty, it is starting to look like money well spent.

jouefoot- I think someone on this board got the heads replaced out of warranty for free. SOA knows there is a problem so they might be willing to fix it for you. Talk to ALL the dealers in your area, some will give you the run around.

I am going to run the **** out of mine. I have an auto-x this weekend and I am going to show her the red plenty. I am going to get 1st even if I have to blow her up in the process.

I hope my dealer isn't reading this.
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Old 05-11-2002, 10:33 PM   #44
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when you guys are talking about grounding mods what do you mean is it lowering the car or something else? I would like to know because I plan on lowering my car next week.

Since I took out the hood scoop back march i can tell that my car is running cooler it is generally a little below the first line on the thermostat.

Last November I had one of my honda's blow a head gasket. this was before I knew anything about cars. I drove around for about 5 months with a broken theromstat and when I took it to the shop they said it must have been an act of God why the thing didnt blow up. So now that i know about the design of the engine and I have done my research, the second that thermo goes into new territory by raising a little but higher on a normal day I am pulling over an doing ga through inspection of everything and why it did that.

I have just over 54500 on my car too so I hope everthing works ok too


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Old 05-12-2002, 12:13 AM   #45
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when you guys are talking about grounding mods what do you mean is it lowering the car or something else?
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The grounding mod is just adding more grounding for the eletrical system. It is said to take noise out of the system so the ECU can get a clean signal. Do a search for "GROUNDING MOD" and you will find alot of info.
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when you guys are talking about grounding mods what do you mean is it lowering the car or something else?
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The grounding mod is just adding more grounding for the eletrical system. It is said to take noise out of the system so the ECU can get a clean signal. Do a search for "GROUNDING MOD" and you will find alot of info.
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Old 05-12-2002, 10:13 PM   #47
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pleiades- if our blocks are cracked then it looks like we will be getting turbo motors, right? really though, this sucks. do you know when they started with the phase II block? what's the easy way to figure out what the problem is? compression test? i don't want to damage my motor any more than it already might be.
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Old 05-13-2002, 08:13 AM   #48
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noahr: I wish I could do the turbo setup that I mentioned in that other thread, but I just don't think I can swing it right now, after all the other repairs/mods I have done. I mean just 2 weeks ago I put the new tranmission/clutch/flywheel in. That was nearly $2000. I may have found a used, low milage phase 2 block, so I will probably go that route. As for finding out exactly what is wrong with your's: A standard compression check won't always give the details. If there is a gross problem (big crack or really bad head gasket) then you might find it with a standard compression check. The only way you'll be even remotely certain is with a leakdown test. This is where they pump air into the cylinder and look for it to "leak down" on a gauge and they can also look for water bubbles forming in the coolant. I am going to try to have that done today, so I can get on with fixing this thing. We have a state championship event (solo 2) to run in this Sunday, and we are already registered for the Pro-solo in Virginia the following weekend. What a great time for this thing to break! I'll let you know what the test returns. I should have the pictures scanned this evening to show the marks that identify a phase 1 and phase 2 block. And some pictures of my gauge install.
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Old 05-13-2002, 09:09 AM   #49
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No pictures yet, but I've dropped the car off at the dealership. I found an old thread ( http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...ht=phase+block ) that will help describe where to look to see if your block is a phase 1 or a phase 2. Unfortunatly I think I was looking in the wrong place. However, I think the dealership is going to dig up my service record and check the numbers to see what block it is.
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Old 05-14-2002, 02:51 AM   #50
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Well the good news is that my car just had a blown head gasket. The guy at the machine shop that did the compression test on the heads said there was some pitting in it though. Does anybody know what would cause this? The machinist said this is what probably caused the head gasket to go so he machined it down and they're putting my engine back together tomorrow! Let me know if you guys have any idea what this pitting might be. Thanks.

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