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Old 09-11-2009, 10:45 AM   #1
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Default Help! Throwout Bearing Problems with clutch install.

ok so brody and i put the new motor in my car last night. everything went ridiculously smooth. well of course something had to go wrong. with the new motor i got a new clutch (act), flywheel resurfaced, pilot bearing, and reused my throwout bearing which was tested okay to reuse.

ok so install time, i set the throwout bearing on the input shaft and positioned the clutch fork in it's place. mated the block to the bell housing and everything slid in smooth with no problems. seemed to be just fine.

later, we went to push my clutch in and it went to the floor and stuck. i can pull it back up manually and "pump" up the pedal until there is resistance, but it still doesn't feel like it's engaging (or disengaging?) properly. i can go back to the engine bay, push the clutch fork towards the rear of the car (pushing the master cylinder in) and then the process repeates with stuck pedal.

so, i pulled the starter back off and took out the pin going through the release fork. i looked in the housing and i think the throwout bearing has separated into two pieces and it's not inside the clutch housing. i guess i don't really understand the whole mechanism fully so i don't know what's supposed to be happening in there.

so... how do i fix it? (please don't say i have to pull the motor or tranny again. pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee!)

thanks in advance!
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:48 AM   #2
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....the fuh?


Clean up the post, then we'll talk. If anything, go get a new TB at RSD for like $35.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:49 AM   #3
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give me a second maybe? i saw it.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:54 AM   #4
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did you bleeded your clutch
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:56 AM   #5
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So the TOB separated then? I've never heard of that happening. Is the TOB now causing the pedal to not return?

Usually if the pedal doesn't return then your master cylinder has taken a crap.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:00 AM   #6
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it's not a bleeding or master cylinder issue. i can look inside the bell housing and physically see the TOB separated into two pieces instead of all together like it should be.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:09 AM   #7
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If you messed up the TOB, you need to get a new one. RSD will probably be your best bet if that's it. And (I hate to say it, but....) you will need to tear the tranny out at least partway again so that you can get that thing in there. Have someone check for the fork's movement when the pedal is pushed. Make sure that there aren't any issues with the hydraulic system on there as well, as that could explain part of the issue. My car is in a weird predicament with that right now, and I am gonna be replacing my master cylinder this weeked for that reason, along with doing the delay valve delete.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:16 AM   #8
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it's not a bleeding or master cylinder issue. i can look inside the bell housing and physically see the TOB separated into two pieces instead of all together like it should be.
Can you get pics? But it sounds like you will have to pull them apart again to fix the problem.
On side notes, you should replace the TOB anytime you're in there, then testing the clutch is the 1st thing you should do after you get it put back together enough to try it. I have saved my self time before by dropping the car (I have a lift) and testing it real quick. One time they company didn't include the inter locking ring on the brand new pressure plate. So it looked fine going in, but when I went to lock it in it would slide right out. And because I tested it before putting the whole car together I only had to pull the tranny back out, not do the whole job again.
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push the shift fork towards the fire wall until the throw out bearing clicks into the pressure plate. You might have to take off the slave cylinder to get the throw out bearing to lock into place.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:23 AM   #10
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that's more what i was hoping for, thanks noah i'll give that a shot. i was trying that last night a little but unsure and it was 3 in the morning and i was tired haha.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:31 AM   #11
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push the shift fork towards the fire wall until the throw out bearing clicks into the pressure plate. You might have to take off the slave cylinder to get the throw out bearing to lock into place.
Sorry, I assumed he had already tried locking it in place and the bearing had broken into two piece when he pushed the pedal.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:32 AM   #12
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All of that just went WAY over my head.
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I think your problem is when you said Brody was working on your car.








j/k Love you Brody!
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:05 PM   #14
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While you're in there, you might want to consider doing this:

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/how-inst...post-pics.html
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:17 PM   #15
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I think your problem is when you said Brody was working on your car.








j/k Love you Brody!
Next time I see your car on the street im scratching all your wheels with a rock.
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that means you actually have to leave your casa before 10pm at night !
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Old 09-11-2009, 03:43 PM   #17
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did you fix it yet?
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just got out of class and checking to see if there was any more info before i go try.

will update!
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:26 PM   #19
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hmm.. still no luck. i can't figure out wtf is going on. i have everything on and lined up it seems, but no matter how hard i try, i can't push the TOB into the pressure plate..
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the gold clip in the center is it at the fully down position or is it up pulled away from the pressure plate.

try pulling it away and then installing the TOB

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^ gold clip in the center? what part of the assembly are you referring to? i'm trying to think but my brain is fried from working on this until way too early this morning and only sleeping for 3 hours.
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Old 09-11-2009, 08:15 PM   #22
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someone sent me the service manual for the assembly. that still further confirms i'm doing everything right. i dunno why it won't go in there! when i had the clutch sitting on the bench i put the TOB in the pressure plate. it snapped in just fine and didn't slip back out or anything. i am using the same clutch and TOB as before, just a new clutch disc.

i don't know what to do next. this is so frustrating that this stupid issue is holding up my new motor build!
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Old 09-12-2009, 01:57 PM   #23
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I think he means the ring that u had to lift to release the TOB when u clipped it in on the bench. he is telling u to pull that ring out a bit and to then try putting the TOB in. atleast that is what I'm reading...
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^yep

According to the picture I posted(if photobucket shows it) out of the exedy oem installation manual you want to start with the center retainer clip in the out position. I have never had a problem clicking them in with it down but it could help.
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Sounds like to me the fork is not completelly in the throwout bearing. if you need help give me a call 801-831-1038
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