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Old 09-12-2009, 08:17 PM   #1
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So at today's meet there was a GT500 Super Snake 725hp version. I am no Mustang fan, but it looked pretty sweet. Anyways The car comes stock with 725hp, but the tires seem stretched to me. The stock tires are only 275's! I just think it is funny that people make a big deal about the stretch on cars (especially mine) when this car with at least 725 hp comes with stretched tires from the factory!

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Old 09-12-2009, 08:53 PM   #2
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only 275's.... i wish i could say that.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:54 PM   #3
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more like "725hp? I wish I could say that!"
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Old 09-12-2009, 09:04 PM   #4
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Thats stupid that a Super Snake mustang has smaller tires than a normal GT500 Mustang. My dads GT500s are 285/40/18 STOCK with 500hp.
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Old 09-12-2009, 09:12 PM   #5
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Super wide scoop!
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Old 09-12-2009, 11:07 PM   #6
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more like "725hp? I wish I could say that!"
true... haha man... i fail for thinking about tire width before power... maybe it's cause power is so far out of reach for me right now... haha
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Old 09-13-2009, 12:43 AM   #7
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Those don't look stretched.. The tires look pretty vertical with the edge of the rim in the picture.
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:12 AM   #8
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The one today was red and they for sure looked stretched in person. Anyone have pics of it? I wonder what the wheel width is? Wither way 275 on any wheel is too small
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:32 AM   #9
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These problems can easily be solved with just a little interest in automotive performance and the motivation to look up the actual information online.

It's pretty well know that no one buys a mustang for its actual performance specs. The Super Snake is no exception. Apparently it comes with a 10 inch wide wheel on the rear, rapped in a 275. This is a pretty common tire width for a 9.5-10 inch wide wheel.

Now, lets act like all of you are as into performance cars as I am. Take a look at one of the best performing cars you can buy from the factory, especially when you consider the cost of the car, the new Corvette Z06. It's running a 9.5 inch wheel in the front with a 275 mounted on it. The rear wheel and tire is however a bit wider, to help put down the 500 hp the new Z06 is rated to produce, the wheel is running 12 inches wide with a 325mm wide tire.

If you take the time to look at some of the performance tests the new Z06 has dominated, you'll see that someone at GM just might have picked the correct tire and wheel sizes for optimal performance. And as stated earlier, they are running a 275 on a 9.5 and that seems to be working just fine...

When looking at the most appropriate tire size for your wheel, look at the tire's specifications. It will list the optimal measured wheel width, this it the width of the wheel that the tire was measured on to get its published tread and section width measurements. It just so happens that a 18x9.5 is the industry standard for a 275/35-18.

Pretty simple stuff...
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:53 AM   #10
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Yeah I know the guy that owns it, he comes in to my credit union all the time. either way its a freaken sick car! haha but I can either get more pictures at some point, but I am tryin to get him to come out to the BBQ at least.
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Old 09-13-2009, 03:49 PM   #11
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mmmm i've read about the super snake but haven't seen one yet. i didn't even know they made them yet acutally. (i read about it a long time ago..)
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:48 PM   #12
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These problems can easily be solved with just a little interest in automotive performance and the motivation to look up the actual information online.

It's pretty well know that no one buys a mustang for its actual performance specs. The Super Snake is no exception. Apparently it comes with a 10 inch wide wheel on the rear, rapped in a 275. This is a pretty common tire width for a 9.5-10 inch wide wheel.

Now, lets act like all of you are as into performance cars as I am. Take a look at one of the best performing cars you can buy from the factory, especially when you consider the cost of the car, the new Corvette Z06. It's running a 9.5 inch wheel in the front with a 275 mounted on it. The rear wheel and tire is however a bit wider, to help put down the 500 hp the new Z06 is rated to produce, the wheel is running 12 inches wide with a 325mm wide tire.

If you take the time to look at some of the performance tests the new Z06 has dominated, you'll see that someone at GM just might have picked the correct tire and wheel sizes for optimal performance. And as stated earlier, they are running a 275 on a 9.5 and that seems to be working just fine...

When looking at the most appropriate tire size for your wheel, look at the tire's specifications. It will list the optimal measured wheel width, this it the width of the wheel that the tire was measured on to get its published tread and section width measurements. It just so happens that a 18x9.5 is the industry standard for a 275/35-18.

Pretty simple stuff...
Logic, automotive standards, and properly sized tires... you're doing it wrong!


Just think how sick that Mustang would be though with a 245 on those 9.5 inch rims. It would look hellaflush and it would rip!
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:20 PM   #13
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id agree the tires do look pretty flush to me. however i guess i am somewhat surprised that they are 275's. with that much power i think you would have trouble keeping it on the ground. i figured it would run a staggered width like the corvette. since you need that extra contact patch on the drive tires.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:06 PM   #14
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Just think how sick that Mustang would be though with a 245 on those 9.5 inch rims. It would look hellaflush and it would rip!
Sorry man, you are correct.
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Old 09-14-2009, 01:44 AM   #15
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Needs more camber and playing cards shoved in between the fender and the wheel. Also needs a dildo for a shifter.
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Old 09-14-2009, 02:27 PM   #16
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ok explain to me why it makes sense to put a 275 on that going smaller than the gt 500 with 225hp more? wheres that logic dragicon? I can see on that pic etc where they are saying it is not a stretch, but 300 hp on 245's compared to 725 on 275's? you are the mathematician, please explain the numbers . Can't make a whole lot more sense than your roof scoop?
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Old 09-14-2009, 03:19 PM   #17
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If you look, they run a higher offset in the back to get the "hella flush" look.

With that being said. My cousin just put 305/45 BFG Drag Radials on the back of his GT500 with out any work on the stock rims. But it doesnt have the aggressive fit like that car does. With that being said, most the time someone dropping 50K+ on a mustang could care less of how much tire they can fit, and care more about how many CD's the in dash can hold.

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Old 09-14-2009, 03:51 PM   #18
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the super snakes are closer to 100 after all the markups, but eh, point taken that is very true. I just thought the one at cars and coffee seemed a bit stretched.
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I just think it is funny that people make a big deal about the stretch on cars (especially mine) when this car with at least 725 hp comes with stretched tires from the factory!
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ok explain to me why it makes sense to put a 275 on that going smaller than the gt 500 with 225hp more? wheres that logic dragicon? I can see on that pic etc where they are saying it is not a stretch, but 300 hp on 245's compared to 725 on 275's? you are the mathematician, please explain the numbers . Can't make a whole lot more sense than your roof scoop?


It seems you are quite touchy on justifying your purchase. Of course I would like to see bigger tires on the 'stang. However, you started this whole thread because you were upset people were making fun of your stretched tire 4K suspension setup with stock dunlop 245's on it. When lil biggie pointed out that your statement about the mustang's tires was actually the norm, you decided to shift the focus.

If you are going to call me out on a "useless" part on my car, I would have at least picked the usless parts on my car such as the JDM spats, taillight tint, or the JDM grill. The roof scoop is actually really nice in the summer. I havent had to use the A/C once this summer. "well why dont you remove the A/C then?" you say? I like the defogger in the summer and winter.
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Old 09-14-2009, 05:38 PM   #20
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you really cut a hole in your roof because you dont like using your ac? Or is rolling the windows down overkill? I thought it looked stretched and i stand by the fact that it looked stretched on the one I saw. Also my tires are hardly stretched on my car. The dunlops suck regardless for performance stretched or not. I never mentioned hella flush or bubble shift knobs or any movement in that look. Hella Flush guys aren't even about stretched tires anyways.
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Old 09-14-2009, 05:42 PM   #21
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ok explain to me why it makes sense to put a 275 on that going smaller than the gt 500 with 225hp more?
Because they don't care how the car performs or they are just stupid, take your pick...

I know this stuff is confusing, so lets compare apples to apples. Take the cheaper GT500KR for example. It costs $25k less, makes less power but has a tad bit wider rear tire (285mm).

GT500KR
0-60.......... 4.3
1/4 mile......12.1@115
Skid pad......1.0 G
slalom.........71.7 mph
Braking........60-0 109 feet

SuperSnake
0-60 ...........4.4
1/4 mile........12.5@119
skid pad........93 G
Slalom .........68.4 mph
Braking.........60-0 118ft.

Now, back to the Z06 to demonstrate what a properly designed car is capable of. It is cheaper, and has less power but an even wider rear tire (325mm rear tires). It will also completely destroy both of those Mustangs on a road course.

Corvette C6 Z06
0-60 ...........3.9
1/4 mile........11.7 @ 123.2
skid pad........97 G
Slalom .........69.2 mph
Braking.........60-0 108ft.

It is pretty obvious you would have to be an idiot to buy the Super Snake only for its performance capabilities... It is also pretty obvious why you would want to run the widest tire you could fit.

Are you still dumbfounded or confused?
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Old 09-14-2009, 05:49 PM   #22
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just interested, where did you find the super snake stats?

I would never buy one. If I were spending in that range I would be looking at a ZR1 or GTR. A mustang in that range is for a collector only imo, so I guess that alone could explain it. I guess the ZR1 could be considered overkill as well, but that would be my choice.
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Old 09-14-2009, 06:10 PM   #23
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Exactly, which one of you is the trust fund kid, you or your wife? Brody fully admits his Mom pays for his toys, what's your story?
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Old 09-14-2009, 06:19 PM   #24
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Actually, I guess in a way, everybody does. Working for the government = your tax dollars paying me to post this right now.
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Old 09-14-2009, 06:21 PM   #25
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yeah right I only wish I could be a trust fund kid! I sit at work and school all day every day! wanna buy something?

In all honesty I have a pretty good job, but I don't fully enjoy it. I would take a pay cut, to have a really fun job that I love going to daily etc. I get jealous of a lot of the guys' jobs around the forums etc, but I will graduate in April so I can look for that then.
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