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Old 10-23-2009, 06:10 PM   #26
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You leave a message? I was probably on the other line, phone has been ringing off the hook lately!
no...im to important to do that.... LOL. Hit me up tho! Saturday oil pan install? Yes yes?
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:32 PM   #27
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Interesting to see the oil specs of 14psi idle and 43psi @ 5krpms. Some people on here swear you're an idiot if you don't have 20psi @ idle and 80psi everyother time.
Wheew... I'm WELL above those numbers. That makes me feel alot better...

For anyone interested, here's my oiling system & pressures:

- Cosworth High pressure oil pump
- Moroso oil pan & pick up (My car also destroyed an engine due to a pick-up tube failute - This was the pan that went on the new engine )
- Motul 300V 15w-50

Just after starting in the morning:
Cold idle ~ 50-70psi
Cold >1,500rpm ~ 100+psi (my gauge only goes to 100psi, and in the morning it is usually slightly over the 100psi mark)

After fully warmed up:
Oil Operating temp (~210*F)
Idle ~ 35 - 40psi
RPM's >1,500rpm ~ 95 - 100psi

Hope that helps people get an idea of what to expect with those "upgrades" ... Oh, I'd HIGHLY recommend the Moroso oil pan... It's a WORK OF ART!!!

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EDIT: My apoligies "KillerBMotorsport", I just went to your website and saw that YOU make plenty of replacements and upgrades in the oiling department for our cars... I in no way meant to sound like I was trying to promote Moroso products in your thread in an effort to steal your customers... While I do LOVE my Moroso oil pan, I have to say, the one that you make is damn near identical to it (and a hellova lot cheaper too!!)... Beautiful welds as well!

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Old 10-23-2009, 11:54 PM   #28
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Holy crapo!!! Just found this on ebay!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ng=&viewitem==

Someone will be VERY happy to get this and solve their oil issues... That's under 1/2 the price of the Moroso oil pan (even at the "Buy it Now" price)!!

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Old 10-24-2009, 12:36 AM   #29
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That's one of my pans. I had a couple that were older pans that were reworked, but still completely functional. From the inside you could tell they were reworked, but from the outside you couldn't tell them from a new piece.
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Old 10-24-2009, 12:44 AM   #30
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That's one of my pans. I had a couple that were older pans that were reworked, but still completely functional. From the inside you could tell they were reworked, but from the outside you couldn't tell them from a new piece.
Hey, you're in Virginia? Are you coming to the Subaru Challenge Autocross in Charlotte, NC?? It's November 14th (and there is a charity Autocross the following day at the same location) and is usually a BLAST!! The location is the Carowinds parkinglot - which is MASSIVE!!! (and has just been repaved from what I hear)...

Check out the Southeast NASIOC region stickies for more info ... You could bring some of your parts down and let the Carolina Owners know that there is a local alternative to Perrin, Kartboy, Cobb, and Moroso

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Old 10-26-2009, 12:58 AM   #31
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Sounds fun, unfortunately I've already got plans that weekend
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:33 AM   #32
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Sounds fun, unfortunately I've already got plans that weekend
Hmmm, well how about the TrackDayz, track day at VIR November 16th & 17th?? I'm thinking about going to this ... Again, the thread is in the southeast section

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Old 10-27-2009, 10:19 PM   #33
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:36 AM   #34
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More pics added RIGHT HERE.

Average mileage 05 Legacy GT and a high mileage 05 STi.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:45 AM   #35
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SHAME on Subaru for still not properly addressing this issue.

It's crap like this that will keep me from buying another one.
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:22 AM   #36
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Lots more pictures added to the ALBUM.

I also wanted to point out something I'm hearing more often lately. Some of you have been checking the oil pickup as a preventative maintenance step (great idea BTW) to prevent ever having to deal with an oil pickup failure and possibly dead motor. From what I'm hearing the before check symptoms have been little (occasional) to none.

For those of you considering this I've posted a couple of pictures here to show some telltale signs that the pickup may be near the point of forming a crack, with failure soon to follow.



From an 05 EJ25. Spider webing on the braze flux (area on the tube from the braze to 1/2" away from the braze). Eventually the spider webbing in the flux will start to flaking off.




Here's a great picture showing the braze flux flaked away and the start of the crack. This pickup was changed as a preventative measure and he had NO symptoms that anything was wrong. Pickup was replaced with no damage to motor. This is the same pickup used on EVERY EJ25 from 2006 to current year.

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Old 04-05-2010, 06:44 PM   #37
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so is this a problem on new 08+ WRX's/Sti's?
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Old 04-05-2010, 08:45 PM   #38
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It's the same part number, same pickup.

I imagine as 08 models climb in miles we'll start hearing about more failures, just like we did as the 06 and 07 models climbed in miles, so did the failures.
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Is the oil pick the same on the 2.0L motor and do they ever have this issue ?
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Is the oil pick the same on the 2.0L motor and do they ever have this issue ?
No, they are different.... BUT the older ones still have failures. According to the smaller amount of data I have regarding the EJ20 motors, they last longer before failure, but when they do fail there is little to no warning. If you do a search you will find an oil pickup failure poll, and there are EJ20s who have had this failure too. From what I've seen the pickups since the early 90s for all EJ series motors have this problem.


In the picture here you can see the pickups: LEFT EJ20, CENTER 04-05 EJ25, RIGHT 2006 to current year EJ25

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Old 04-06-2010, 09:28 AM   #42
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ok i have a question about all of this. i have a 05 sti with 38000 miles nothing major done to it just the cobb turbo back exhaust, shot ram intake and a cobb access port stage 2. my oil pressure is half way jacked up by looking at all of this. when the car is cold it sits at about 80 psi, once it starts to warm up it drops to like 25 to 30 psi. once the car gets driven for like 35 to 40 min at idle the pressure drops to like 9 to 10 psi. any helpful hints? i hate not being able to drive my car right now.
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:30 PM   #43
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^^ got and replied to your PM. Let me know how things turn out.
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Old 04-06-2010, 05:09 PM   #44
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Edit to post #36... I was reminded, that the pickup was replaced as a preventative measure and there were NO symptoms that anything was wrong.
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Old 04-06-2010, 10:04 PM   #45
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I take it that if and when I go from the 2002 (2001 build) wrx 2 liter to a 2.5 liter hybrid I will HAVE TO HAVE one of your pickups put in to be safe.

Are guys at Andrewtech or IAG also your customers? Are they aware of this problem with the Subaru oil pickup?

You said the problem goes back a long time. Any idea if the statistics were about the same in the early models. Something like #failed per 1000? Comparison: early wrxs like mine and the later wrx/sti models? I am thinking statistics and quality control here rather than a fundamental design or materials science problem.

For the record, my 2 liter has been trouble free for 160,000 miles on OMG! M1 5w-30 with 3000 mile changes. The car is mostly driven in the twisty hills with lots of shifting through the glass gears (sti short shifter) for fun. The engine does not burn oil. The tune has been and continues to be 22 psi on >93 octane (97 on a daily driver basis). Maybe I should leave well enough alone.

Thanks for the highly informative post.
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No, they are different.... BUT the older ones still have failures. According to the smaller amount of data I have regarding the EJ20 motors, they last longer before failure, but when they do fail there is little to no warning. If you do a search you will find an oil pickup failure poll, and there are EJ20s who have had this failure too. From what I've seen the pickups since the early 90s for all EJ series motors have this problem.


In the picture here you can see the pickups: LEFT EJ20, CENTER 04-05 EJ25, RIGHT 2006 to current year EJ25

So will your pickup fit on 2.0L sumps ?
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I take it that if and when I go from the 2002 (2001 build) wrx 2 liter to a 2.5 liter hybrid I will HAVE TO HAVE one of your pickups put in to be safe.

Are guys at Andrewtech or IAG also your customers? Are they aware of this problem with the Subaru oil pickup?

You said the problem goes back a long time. Any idea if the statistics were about the same in the early models. Something like #failed per 1000? Comparison: early wrxs like mine and the later wrx/sti models? I am thinking statistics and quality control here rather than a fundamental design or materials science problem.

For the record, my 2 liter has been trouble free for 160,000 miles on OMG! M1 5w-30 with 3000 mile changes. The car is mostly driven in the twisty hills with lots of shifting through the glass gears (sti short shifter) for fun. The engine does not burn oil. The tune has been and continues to be 22 psi on >93 octane (97 on a daily driver basis). Maybe I should leave well enough alone.

Thanks for the highly informative post.
Well, you don't have to have the Killer B pickup. If you want to save some money and don't mind the install, then just replace the OEM pickup every 30K miles. Failures before 30K miles are pretty much unheard of. If you want to install once and forget about it, then the Killer B oil pickup will do that task no problem.

There are several shops that stock the Killer B oil pickup, including IAG. Andrewtech does not stock them and I'm not certain if they've installed one. Often times customers buy the part and bring it to thier shop to do the install so it tougher for me to track. I typically find out later at meets or visits to shops when I shake some hands and hear that they've installed our parts. Some shops have seen many failures (over 10) and about a month ago I got a call from a shop, that a year ago when I made a visit, thought this busted pickup deal was all propaganda because they built lots of motors and have never seen one. They have since witnessed failures and carry the Killer B oil pickup.

Historically it's really tough to say, it would really be a guess, but I'll tell you what I know. There are documented failures as far back as the early 90s, this is when the EJ motors started becoming popular, but keep in mind the WRX/ & STi 'enthusiast' crowd was limited to Europe and I believe Australia. We didn't get the fast cars until 2002 and 2004. If you look in the European forums you'll find pickup and oil starvation problems have been around for a while, at least much longer than what's been observed here. Another reason it's tough to get historical information that far back is because the enthusiast (people like us) had no fast and easy forums to share information. If you got a busted pickup, for the most part, you had to rely on the Subaru dealership to tell you if this was common or not, and we all know they don't recognize this as a problem. So statistically it's tough to say, from what I've heard through others... pre-2006 pickups generally fail at higher mileage (over 50K), and when they do fail they FAIL. VERY VERY rare to hear of a pre-2006 car having just a crack. 2006 to current models can have failures earlier and it much mroe common to be caught from seeing an oil light flicker and find the pickup has a crack.

No problem on the info
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So will your pickup fit on 2.0L sumps ?
The ultimate pickup will not fit the EJ20 motors unless you put an EJ25 oil pan on, which I HIGHLY recommend to anyone who does any sort of performance oriented driving.

CHECK OUT THIS THREAD.

We do make a 'rugedized' pickup, but they are made to order and usually go to customers that already have a Cosworth, ARC or any other aftermarket pan that uses an OEM pickup.
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Old 04-07-2010, 05:07 PM   #49
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my car is an 06 with 55k on it,and the pickup tube looks as if its slowly starting to deteriote around the neck of it.
good thing i got in on the GB of the pickup.
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Oh great something else for me to worry about...
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