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Old 09-18-2012, 09:30 AM   #176
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I'm pretty sure if I was to do the install a third time I could have the pan off in less than 10 minutes once all the bolts are removed.
You need to share your technique. I've done it more than that and it still frustrates me
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:56 AM   #177
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I have the exhaust manifold completely removed as well as the oil filter. This gives me the most amount of room to work with. Motor is also jacked up with some 2x4 chunks under the motor mounts.

If you get a flathead screwdriver and put it in between the pan and motor mount silver plate (where it attaches to the motor on the passenger side) you can kind of pry at it and you'll see the pan flex a small amount right in that area. I then took a narrow putty knife and was able to just sneak the corner in where the sealant would be. Then take a hammer and lightly tap at it until it sneaks far enough into the pan (you wouldn't be able to do this without the header removed). You can watch the knife go right past one of the bolt holes and that's how you know it's getting into the pan. That completely breaks the seal in about a 2" wide area and once I got that much it pretty much let go everywhere else. I used a pretty dull putty knife and it didn't score the block in any way.

Again I think the key is having a lot of working room by having the header and oil filter removed. When I did it on the first STI I got lucky and my old gaskets didn't leak. This time I wasn't so lucky but I'll take an exhaust leak over oil pan leak any day. Much easier and less time consuming to fix.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:13 PM   #178
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Cool, thanks! I'll add this post to my list of techiquest to try next time
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:39 PM   #179
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i am new to the subie world move over from hondas. i bought a 02 subaru wrx impreza. my oil was flashing, so i change the pickup tube right away. put everything back to gether went on a test drive, as soon as i came to a stop light oil light start flickering again. could it be from a low idle and some of the wiring in the car look hack i would love some feed back.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:54 PM   #180
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Is there a gauge on the car by chance? Is the flickering bright, as bright as it comes on when the ignition is turned on?

What oil pickup did you put on there?
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:01 AM   #181
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Couple pics from a customer who swaped out his pickup earlier this month. The OEM oil light did not come on



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Old 11-29-2012, 11:27 AM   #182
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It's still good....
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:31 AM   #183
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How I don't know. That is a bad crack.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:00 AM   #184
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Wow what vehicle??Also I just picked up another set!!pickup and baffle for my other block!
The one on my car has the full kit!!Love this mod!Also got a set of decals from you guys awesome,do you have the ones that acctually go right on the killer bee oil pan??like this?? http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/2397/wrxpic1.jpg

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Old 11-30-2012, 12:24 AM   #185
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Wow what vehicle??Also I just picked up another set!!pickup and baffle for my other block!
The one on my car has the full kit!!Love this mod!Also got a set of decals from you guys awesome,do you have the ones that acctually go right on the killer bee oil pan??like this?? http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/2397/wrxpic1.jpg
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Thanks actually not a sticker. It's marked right into the pan Do you have a pan without one?
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Old 11-30-2012, 04:08 PM   #186
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I am swapping pistons this weekend and we popped the oil pan off last night and looked over the oil pick up and it seems to be doing good still at both ends are solid, not bad for 123,870 miles. Would love to get the oil pickup and baffle as preventive maintenance, but my budget is in the negatives atm.

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Old 11-30-2012, 04:22 PM   #187
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Other than some exhaust hardware annoyances, this pickup was pretty easy to put on my 2006. Didn't have to jack up the motor at all. On disassembly, the pan had to hang off the factory pickup until I unbolted it. But for reassembly, the Killer B piece was fully installed the the pan was able to be wiggled around and into place without even messing up the bead of sealant.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:50 PM   #188
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Thanks actually not a sticker. It's marked right into the pan Do you have a pan without one?
yup without one u want a pic??
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:11 PM   #189
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I am swapping pistons this weekend and we popped the oil pan off last night and looked over the oil pick up and it seems to be doing good still at both ends are solid, not bad for 123,870 miles. Would love to get the oil pickup and baffle as preventive maintenance, but my budget is in the negatives atm.

The other end is the critical side. I've heard a few rumors of them breaking on the end you're showing here, but I've never actually seen one so until I can verify it for myself it's not a failure point IMO.

Check the other end VERY well (decent eye loop at the minimum) looking for the ques I noted here.

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You should have just changed it while you were there. If you're going to stick with the OEM pickup we recommend changing them every 20K miles to minimize the probability of failure. On more than one occasion we've had customer inspect and re-install only to have later failure. Highest mileage failure to date, 205K miles.


Here are a couple examples showing the stress tell, before the crack. Look for spidering in the flux that will eventually turn to little pieces flaking off. When I mean look carefully I mean you may need an eye loop or low power scope to see anything, like in these pics.











In this pic below you can see the tube's weld seam. 99% for the time, this is where the crack originates from. On the weld seam in the braze flux.








As it progresses a small crack will form. It's all downhill from here...



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yup without one u want a pic??
No. I want you to send me the pan so I can mark it for you
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:47 PM   #190
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Will do when I disassemble the block,it's installed now<i have to pm you way later on.when I do.Make me a decal like this!!So much better than the round one to market you parts.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:40 AM   #191
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The other end is the critical side. I've heard a few rumors of them breaking on the end you're showing here, but I've never actually seen one so until I can verify it for myself it's not a failure point IMO.

Check the other end VERY well (decent eye loop at the minimum) looking for the ques I noted here.

No. I want you to send me the pan so I can mark it for you
I understand. I picked them up last week and the build quality is AMAZING! I feel 100% safer with this in my car over the oem pickup. The windage tray is nice as well




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Old 12-28-2012, 01:48 AM   #192
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possible bad tube in '13 FB engine;

http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/...tml#post492494
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Old 12-28-2012, 06:45 AM   #193
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^ I'll do some research, but those engines, and pickup tube, are VERY different than the EJ engines that are known for the pickup failures. Keep me informed as to what they find when they pull the motor.
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^ I'll do some research, but those engines, and pickup tube, are VERY different than the EJ engines that are known for the pickup failures. Keep me informed as to what they find when they pull the motor.

well, I said 'possible' - but should have held off completely because, now, they confirm it was missing!

I can only assume they mean the entire assembly was never bolted on at the factory - not that some portion fell off.

still 'second hand info' from a dealer, supposedly confirmed by conversation with SOA, and then reported on a Forum so......
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Old 12-28-2012, 01:26 PM   #195
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I have to order up a pick up and baffle.

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Old 12-28-2012, 01:46 PM   #196
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I won your guys pickup tube and baffle from rallysportdirect's facebook contest! So thanks I won't have to deal with the stock pickup. My friend just lost his motor because of it.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:04 PM   #197
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I can only assume they mean the entire assembly was never bolted on at the factory - not that some portion fell off.

still 'second hand info' from a dealer, supposedly confirmed by conversation with SOA, and then reported on a Forum so......
That would be SUPER rare to not have one bolted in there. Not to mention it run as long as it did. I just don't see how that's possible, but I am not nearly as versed with the RA engines as the EJs. See if the dealer can provide pics when they pop the pan off. If the tube fell right off, that would be useful info!

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I won your guys pickup tube and baffle from rallysportdirect's facebook contest! So thanks I won't have to deal with the stock pickup. My friend just lost his motor because of it.
Awesome, congrats on the win! No one ever likes to hear of a downed Suby
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Had my oil pickup replaced today on a 2006 STi (71k) miles with a KillerBee pickup and baffle which is amazing quality. After looking at my old one it seems that its in good shape, no major cracks or anything but I think in the 3rd picture there is a slight surface crack, i'm not exactly sure though if anyone has any input please post. Its still good insurance to have though. After looking at the old one it seems like a 5 year old made it, very poorly made.






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Old 01-11-2013, 10:41 AM   #199
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Tough to tell, more magnification is required to make a judgement on that. I see a couple things that may or may not be questionable, but no point in worrying over it now

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Is it possible to just weld the stock piece up instead of the braze? Seems like that would be a cheaper fix.
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