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Old 09-14-2009, 10:33 PM   #1
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Need to have a 2004 WRX EJ20 rebuilt or swapped. The car is currently at Solon Subaru in Pueblo, CO and they are quoting approximately $7500 installed for a "Japanese" motor.

Anyone have some great suggestion for a rebuild of the current engine, better swap pricing, or even a 2.5 block swap? Dealer says the Turbo seems OK, but the internals are done.

Any help and suggestions would be appreciated as would sure like to get it done for less money than that.

Cheers! And thanks for taking the time to answer.
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:59 PM   #2
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Need to have a 2004 WRX EJ20 rebuilt or swapped. The car is currently at Solon Subaru in Pueblo, CO and they are quoting approximately $7500 installed for a "Japanese" motor.

Anyone have some great suggestion for a rebuild of the current engine, better swap pricing, or even a 2.5 block swap? Dealer says the Turbo seems OK, but the internals are done.

Any help and suggestions would be appreciated as would sure like to get it done for less money than that.

Cheers! And thanks for taking the time to answer.
Well first off they are all Japanese motors, second how are you internals toast? did it spin a bearing or blow up a piston or two? depending on what exactly happened in there your turbo might have had a fate with a chunk of piston... or something... What mods where on the car when it met its fate? What type of oil where you using?

Don't go with a 2.5 block, with the lack of knowledge that was asserted in this post the 2.5 would not benefit you in the least, hybrids have their own host of problems that with some re-search you would figure out.

Depending on the condition of the car (IE Age/Mileage etc) you may just want to find a used long block in good condition (or short if you didn't toast the top end of it) from someone who upgraded or a person parting out a car.

New Short Blocks from subaru are still sub 2k, you could replace you block with a new one from SOA and just go stock.

EJ207 Would be a good upgrade for the 205, many people have used this block and there are tons of threads regrading the swap... Personally if you didn't want to tune the engine just get a 207 Short block and swap the 205 heads onto it (be sure to use shim-less bucketed heads if your going to do this) this would negate the AVCS issue, although there are ways to incorporate or bypass AVCS...

In summation MOST of the options i provided here will save you a lot of money over what the dealership quoted you. IF you are able to do the work on the car yourself i'm sure you could replace everything for around 1k with a used 205. So the answer to your question is yes, there are cheaper ways, and better ways, and both! If i ranted on this thread it's due to the amount of research i saw lacking in your post, for those of us who have done their research it's insulting. Apologies.
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Old 09-15-2009, 12:43 AM   #3
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I know you are down in Pueblo, but I would call Suba Performance in Denver. They specialize in doing engine swaps (mainly in non-turbo cars such as an RS or an old leg to a WRX or STI engine). They would probably give you the most realistic pricing of a engine swap in the area.

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Old 09-15-2009, 02:12 AM   #4
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Is the engine completely seized? Will it still turn over and run but just knock? If so you have a few options.. Get the block rebuild, or just put in a new SB. That would cost a lot less than getting a whole new engine, especially third party. If the engine is completely seized and wont start at all, then the block is probably cracked and possible the heads are warped and unuseable. In this case, the cheapest route would be to get a longblock(heads and a block) and use all the components off the current engine ie. intake manifold, TGVs, injectors, censors etc. You may be able to find someone in the area, like a tech that does work on the side that will charge a lot less than any company will, but its iffy sometimes.. I have heard some horror stories about engines "fixed" or "built" by non reputable builders.
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Old 09-15-2009, 06:09 PM   #5
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i just barely finished doing a hybrid in my wrx. doing the motor pulling/install myself, with everything i did, it still cost over $8,000. you can do it cheap, but (like i thought) if i'm going to do this, i'm going to do it right. my .02

oh also, whatever you think you will end up spending, add another 10-20% when my motor blew i priced out a bunch of things and figured i could do what i wanted for around 5k. the more you talk to people the more you realize what it costs and what should be bought instead of other parts. don't forget about all new fluids, gaskets, and labor is going to be $$$$$.
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