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Old 12-29-2010, 09:18 AM   #201
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So because someone has elected to get into a profession where he knows he's going to have four hundred pound two-legged land masses hitting him for about three hours every week for four months out of the year, he deserves fifty million dollars and profit sharing?

****. That. Bull****.

I get punched in the face by a crazy person at least one a month with about ten more attempts during that time period, and I get paid **** all for it.

I don't feel sorry for professional athletes who claim they're underpaid at all. The argument that they should get paid more to possibly get injured is ****ing retarded. They PLAY A GODDAMN GAME FOR A LIVING. People play that game for years starting when they're kids because they like it. Not because they all expect millions of dollars.

If someone can get paid ten million a year for pushing a fat guy around a field a few months out of the year doesn't mean that they should. That money should go to teachers, firefights, cops, EMS workers, and soldiers.

You know, people that actually deserve it.
What garbage. Football games are always fun when mommy is going to give you a Sunny D after the game and everyone goes to CiCis to eat pizza. Football is fun when dad says winning isn't everything son.

It's not fun when you got to make a 52 man roster and is a means to provide for yourself and others. Sure you can have fun at work. I find a small joy in countering hackers and spam. When those guys on winning teams say on the mic they are having fun, they might be telling the truth and they might be lying. You don't know because they don't want to get fined.

If their whining offends you stop buying lite beer, tickets, and jerseys.
What is the difference when your favorite actors make 10-20 million a movie? Actor's Guilds? Same stuff. Major studios don't have to share some of that wealth because everyone and their momma now likes to upgrade all of their DVDs to BluRay, because of HDTV's and PS3's? What about the movies you pay 10-20 dollars per ticket because you need some from a lady from time to time?

The only actors that might have physical problems later is Jackie Chan and other stunt doubles. The rest pocket it all and flaunt it in your face everyday. Why doesn't that annoy you?
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Old 12-29-2010, 10:25 AM   #202
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For some of these guys that **** gotta last them their whole life. Try paying for expensive operations after having your body torn up year after year in college and 1-3 years in the NFL. I bet most of you weren't even college athletes. Your body wont last as long in ways compared to everyday people.

I cage fought for 2-3 years while in college and trained MMA for 5 years. Last year I spent almost 3,000 dollars in medical bills and physical therapy. Thats with insurance. For 2010 I got laid off in May and I had no insurance for the last 6 months and I have been struggling more so.

Athletes pay a price with their bodies in the end. Maybe not all but almost all of them. Knee surgery/replacements, concussion after effects, tendonitis, back pain, neck problems, etc..

Dont assume they all make millions like Yoo Shin pointed out. The Denver Bronco Kenny McKinley, that committed suicide a few months back, was the son of my dad's best friend. He was going to end up cut and his knees had been operated on twice. He was making 250K a year. He should have never given up but for many of these guys this is all they have. They wont be on ESPN as analysts after they finish playing.

As with any hazardous occupation you PAY to PLAY, and with Pro Football? Com on, talk about a freak'n dream job! I remember playing in high school dreaming of just a chance to make a college team and at that stage you're completely willing to put your body through any abuse it has to take on the field to prove your skills. That mentality only grows in college, where a lot of my bud's went to extreme diets and conditioning to be the elite at what they do and they all knew that the body had to pay in the long run.

At my peak I was 180, 6'2, ran a 4.78, and benched 225 10x. My peers where running freak'n circles around me and benching twice as much as me. I was always amazed at the amount of athleticism at that level, little alone the pro level. But the main thing that seperated them from me, was the fact that they were willing and able to completely recklessly throw their body's into a play, where I was not. I was wimpy. So, I chose to train in traditional martial arts instead which I've been doing now for 20 years.

I have a cousin that kicked for the Voodoo for a season, and the 49ers for 4 games and got paid well before getting cut. He was smart and saved his money, bought a modest truck (Nissan Titan), paid off his wife's car and put down a healthy down payment for a modest $150k house back home in Louisiana where he's now a soccer coach for a Catholic private school. At 5’7 180lbs, he runs a 4.6 and benches 225 14x, I’ve asked him if he ever considered being a “small” RB like a Woodhead or Sproles, and his reply was that he was never willing to take the abuse to the body, no matter what the pay and that he went through enough of that in high school.
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Andre Johnson WR, age 29, 2010 Salary: $5,525,000 - hopefully he'll have enough left over to pay for a life time of ankle braces.

Brian Cushing LB, age 23, 2010 Salary: $1,516,000 - hopefully he'll have enough left over to treat the backne and ball shrinkage due to excessive horse-roid usage.

Jon Weeks C, age 24, 2010 Salary: $285,000 - Maybe enough to have PT on his sore glutes from sitting on pine for prolong periods of time.
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Old 12-29-2010, 11:01 AM   #204
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I understand all the medical bills but 200k a year should be more than enough. Someone making that money sits on the bench and should not be pron to injuries as much.

If it is not enough then don't buy the million dollar house or the cars etc etc. Just cause I make 35k a year doesn't mean I spend all of it. **** we all have to save for retirement and medical bills and that is all based upon what you make or how you live your life.

What they are bitching about is that with the medical bills they will not be able to live the lavish life style they have had once they stop playing football. I agree with the college, most of these guys get close to if not full rides. No reason you should not have a degree in something and be able to find a good enough job to supplement your, athletic income. Listing the NFL on your resume along with a high profile college, must not help you get a job like I think it would?
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Old 12-29-2010, 11:06 AM   #205
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I hope they at least do something for the guys that made salaries back then like we all do. The old guys that have messed up bodies like Earl Campbell. Some of them look terrible. There is a reason the NFL doesn't show many of them walking around on camera. I think they are on the right track, just need to hash out the details. Like John McClain says, they know what the price of a lockout is, and the chances of that are very slim.
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One last thing. Only 3% of Americans make 250k a year. So these guys graduate college at 22 play football for four years at 250k. At 26 they have a million dollars and a college degree. They can get a good job just not making what they made.

The guys making the minimum ard practice squad or third string so they arent playing in the games most likely. Most NFL teams dont have full contact in practice so where is all the wear and tear coming from? The month long preseason?? Fall practice?? Come on, seriously?

Im not saying these guys make too much bc honestly if we didnt wqtch them, buy tickets, jerseys, and all that other crap then they wouldnt make that. Im just saying that complaing that they make too little is absurd.

Zyrtor you asked why we arent complaining about movie stars?? Well movie stars arent *****ing about not making enough money.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:13 PM   #207
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One last thing. Only 3% of Americans make 250k a year. So these guys graduate college at 22 play football for four years at 250k. At 26 they have a million dollars and a college degree. They can get a good job just not making what they made.

The guys making the minimum ard practice squad or third string so they arent playing in the games most likely. Most NFL teams dont have full contact in practice so where is all the wear and tear coming from? The month long preseason?? Fall practice?? Come on, seriously?

Im not saying these guys make too much bc honestly if we didnt wqtch them, buy tickets, jerseys, and all that other crap then they wouldnt make that. Im just saying that complaing that they make too little is absurd.

Zyrtor you asked why we arent complaining about movie stars?? Well movie stars arent *****ing about not making enough money.
I don't look at what they do as a game, but rather a job. It is a means for them to support themselves and their families.

In the Football industry, skill is something that is highly valued and typically depreciates with age (in certain categories). Their Salaries peak at so many years and then declines.

In Corporate America, skill is also something highly valued; However it tends to increase in value with age (to a certain extend).

I have co-workers that make significant more money than me. I don't know their exact salaries, but I know it is more than me. Honestly, it something I don't really dwell on, because it's not important. What is important is that I take care of my family, and when it comes time to negotiating my salary or my benefits I will "B***H," complain, do whatever the hell it takes to take care of my Family. I believe anyone who turns their nose at that kind of attitude is crazy.

The fact of the matter is the NFL is a business and the players are employees of that Business. Just because it is entertainment does not take away from the fact that these are real people with real families with the same type of monetary concerns that we the fans have. They just make a ****load more money.

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Old 12-29-2010, 01:43 PM   #208
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The guys making the minimum ard practice squad or third string so they arent playing in the games most likely. Most NFL teams dont have full contact in practice so where is all the wear and tear coming from? The month long preseason?? Fall practice?? Come on, seriously?


Zyrtor you asked why we arent complaining about movie stars?? Well movie stars arent *****ing about not making enough money.
You try working out several times a week and running the drills they run. Have you ever had a body fat ~3-4%. That takes ALOT of work to get that AND maintain. You get back what you put in. If you don't work as hard you might not have as many problems later. If you are a maxed-out elite player, like Steven Jackson or Adrian Peterson, and you outwork everyone on your team, the wear and tear compounds as you get older.

Bottom line is that if you play a professional sport like till your 30's, chances are pulling tile or construction work is going to be very hard to do until you hit 65. Which is why the previous folks have been stressing how crucial education is for them to have.

Movie stars not complaining about the money they make? Wow. Think about what you just said. Screenwriter's guilds? Hell any unions for that matter!
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I don't look at what they do as a game, but rather a job. It is a means for them to support themselves and their families.

In the Football industry, skill is something that is highly valued and typically depreciates with age (in certain categories). Their Salaries peak at so many years and then declines.

In Corporate America, skill is also something highly valued; However it tends to increase in value with age (to a certain extend).

I have co-workers that make significant more money than me. I don't know their exact salaries, but I know it is more than me. Honestly, it something I don't really dwell on, because it's not important. What is important is that I take care of my family, and when it comes time to negotiating my salary or my benefits I will "B***H," complain, do whatever the hell it takes to take care of my Family. I believe anyone who turns their nose at that kind of attitude is crazy.

The fact of the matter is the NFL is a business and the players are employees of that Business. Just because it is entertainment does not take away from the fact that these are real people with real families with the same type of monetary concerns that we the fans have. They just make a ****load more money.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62F4Q120100316
Finally someone who gets it. They have to look after number one because no damn fan gives a **** about their existances. It ain't personal, it's just business.
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Old 12-29-2010, 02:10 PM   #210
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You try working out several times a week and running the drills they run. Have you ever had a body fat ~3-4%. That takes ALOT of work to get that AND maintain. You get back what you put in. If you don't work as hard you might not have as many problems later. If you are a maxed-out elite player, like Steven Jackson or Adrian Peterson, and you outwork everyone on your team, the wear and tear compounds as you get older.

Bottom line is that if you play a professional sport like till your 30's, chances are pulling tile or construction work is going to be very hard to do until you hit 65. Which is why the previous folks have been stressing how crucial education is for them to have.

Movie stars not complaining about the money they make? Wow. Think about what you just said. Screenwriter's guilds? Hell any unions for that matter!
Quite frankly, your statements are getting dumber and dumber. These athletes got a free education, were paid a ton of money after that, retire, and then have trouble finding another job? Welcome to the world of every college student in the ****ing country, numb nuts. But the difference is, they don't have to worry about paying off student loans, because they had a short career where they made a few hundred thousand a year, minimum.

And did you really bring up the ****ing Screenwriter's Guild? Really? Do you ever use an example about something you actually know about? They went on strike because they wanted health insurance and less than 1% of the gross on the project that their mind and pen created. That's not exactly greedy.

Stop being an idiot. I'm at less than 5% body fat right now and have maintained that for the past five years, so using your logic, where's my goddamn check?
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I will let you hit me in the leg with a bat for 500k.....Anyone? I got school loans coming out my ass.
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Oh and something spider pig left out was you went from talking about low paid players to Adrian Peterson. AP got more than 20 mil for being the first draft pick. So even if he never signs another contract Im sure he will get by.

You also wen from saying they only get 3 or 4 years in the league to saying they are playing into their 30s. The minimun in the league is 225k so if you graduate at 22 and play til 32 at 225k then you have right at 2.5 million. Who said anything about manual labor. Use your degree to get an office job for 50k a year until you are 60. That is if you happen to be the LOWEST paid player.

And the screenwriters guild had nothing to do with actors btw. It was the people who write the shows and movies.
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Old 12-29-2010, 03:11 PM   #213
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Quite frankly, your statements are getting dumber and dumber. These athletes got a free education, were paid a ton of money after that, retire, and then have trouble finding another job? Welcome to the world of every college student in the ****ing country, numb nuts. But the difference is, they don't have to worry about paying off student loans, because they had a short career where they made a few hundred thousand a year, minimum.

And did you really bring up the ****ing Screenwriter's Guild? Really? Do you ever use an example about something you actually know about? They went on strike because they wanted health insurance and less than 1% of the gross on the project that their mind and pen created. That's not exactly greedy.

Stop being an idiot. I'm at less than 5% body fat right now and have maintained that for the past five years, so using your logic, where's my goddamn check?
Your statements make no sense. Earlier you talked about teachers, cops, and firemen need better pay. That just makes government bigger with more spending. I would imagine you would hate that.

Screenwriters wanted health insurance and a percentage of the multimillion dollar profits that they help to create?...hmmm....sounds alot like football players to me as well. They want their portions out of billions of dollars.
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Old 12-29-2010, 03:20 PM   #214
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Oh and something spider pig left out was you went from talking about low paid players to Adrian Peterson. AP got more than 20 mil for being the first draft pick. So even if he never signs another contract Im sure he will get by.

You also wen from saying they only get 3 or 4 years in the league to saying they are playing into their 30s. The minimun in the league is 225k so if you graduate at 22 and play til 32 at 225k then you have right at 2.5 million. Who said anything about manual labor. Use your degree to get an office job for 50k a year until you are 60. That is if you happen to be the LOWEST paid player.

And the screenwriters guild had nothing to do with actors btw. It was the people who write the shows and movies.
I used AP and Steven Jackson as examples of guys who workout like monsters. Read about their work ethic sometime. There are many others that work super hard and max themselves out but still do not get the big money like AP, Payton, Brady, Chris Johnson, etc...

And yes I know the difference between screenwriters and actors. The point is that unions or other groups can use leverage to get what they feel that they need. That's no different than you wanting/needing a raise.

This is silly as hell. All of you are big proponents of free market capitalism. Why the hate. Really? Or was there a big commie meeting I missed when I was constantly out of town some months back? Come off the high horses.

Whats next Michael Vick needs the death penalty?
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I dont blame them for trying to get paid at all...I just think that crying underpaid is kinda dumb.

As for Mike Vick...I think he has done a great job of rehabilitation. He served his time, not real sure why people still hate the man.
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well
texans might have a chance to win this head to head competition for wins this year.

Garrad AND Jones Drew are both out next week.

so dallas v philly
hou v jax

who will be the mighty 6-10????????
and get bragging rights for a whole year in texas???????
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:23 PM   #218
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Looks like Houston has ods but Dallas hates Philly. I think Philly will be a team to go far if not all the way this year.
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Old 12-29-2010, 06:40 PM   #219
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...frankly I hope we lose and Dallas wins (makes me shudder to say that)

I want that #5 pick.



Question:

What about Coach next year? Fire Kubiack? Who do you replace him with?

Honestly, as much as I hate to say it, I think we probably ought to keep Kubiack UNLESS the Titans fire Jeff Fisher and we can convince him to coach here.
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Why?

Cowher has long been a 3-4 guy, and our defense is much better suited to the 4-3. now if he's willing to switch or if you can convince me that we'll be OK in the 3-4 I want him in a heartbeat.

The other thing is that our O-line is pretty small, and relies much more on finese than raw power. Firing Kubiack could really hurt our O-line.


I don't see the point in firing Kubiack just to fire him. We better have a replacement we LIKE lined up.
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Rumors of Wade Phillips as defensive coach?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/p...urn=nfl-301763

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Wade Phillips "led" the Cowboys to a 1-7 record this season before getting fired after he led the 'Boys to first place in the NFC East last season. The Dallas Morning News reports that Phillips may be moving into the role of defensive coordinator in Houston, replacing Frank Bush Sr.

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been hearing that hou leaning towards keeping kubiak.......FTL
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Yeah. What a raw deal.....He has Bum Phillips and Dan Pastorini begging him not to fire Gary too.

Makes no difference to me. If they dig in and keep him, I will dig in and not go to a game next year. On top of that I will continue to watch my Cowboys and I will just watch other teams on Torrent Streams. I'm still happy it's football season.
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So they ended the season with the same record. Dallas beat the Texans this year sooooooooooooo it looks like Dallas was the better team this year.

Anyone wanna bet on next year?
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So they ended the season with the same record. Dallas beat the Texans this year sooooooooooooo it looks like Dallas was the better team this year.

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