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Old 09-22-2009, 01:44 PM   #1
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hey everyone, im going to start competing in autocross this next month and want some insight on where i can perform competitively. i know theres a ton of threads about this but i do know the rules and am just wondering about your opinions. ill be racing my 05 forester xt and here are the only mods on the car that have to do with performance

2004 sti strut/spring assemblies
2007 sti axle-back exhaust
rota 18x8.5 svn with 235/40/18 falken ze-912
cobb shift knob and f/r shifter bushings

aaand thats it. do you think i could wiggle my way into a stock class locally? or are the tires limiting me too much.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:01 PM   #2
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It depends on the local club. In my area we are very flexible in letting novices run whatever class they want. If someone has a short shifter or different wheels and wants to run in stock we'll let them assuming the other competitors don't care...
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:29 PM   #3
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To the OP, do you have any kind of engine management upgrades (Cobb, UTEC, etc)? As your car currently sits, you're classed in STU.

Your non-stock suspension, wheels, and shifter bushings all kick you out of stock class.

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Old 09-22-2009, 03:30 PM   #4
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Why, on a modded car, would you even consider running in a stock class? Are you hell-bent on winning a trophy?

If we're talking about SCCA Solo, you're out of the stock class by everything other than the exhaust. You'd probably slot into STU just fine.
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:40 PM   #5
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here are the only mods on the car that have to do with performance

What other modifications have you made to the car, performance or otherwise?
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:41 PM   #6
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hey everyone, im going to start competing in autocross this next month and want some insight on where i can perform competitively. i know theres a ton of threads about this but i do know the rules and am just wondering about your opinions. ill be racing my 05 forester xt and here are the only mods on the car that have to do with performance

2004 sti strut/spring assemblies
2007 sti axle-back exhaust
rota 18x8.5 svn with 235/40/18 falken ze-912
cobb shift knob and f/r shifter bushings

aaand thats it. do you think i could wiggle my way into a stock class locally? or are the tires limiting me too much.
You know the rules, right? How are you going to answer someone in stock that says to you "wow, your Forester sits a lot lower than the other Foresters."

Lowering and changing springs in stock to alter ride height is a major no-no. More so than just changing your wheels.

Stock? Nope.

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Old 09-22-2009, 05:20 PM   #7
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To the OP, do you have any kind of engine management upgrades (Cobb, UTEC, etc)? As your car currently sits, you're classed in STU.

Your non-stock suspension, wheels, shift knob and shifter bushings all kick you out of stock class.
absolutely none. engine is bone stock. stock silencer and everything. only semi performance mod is the sti muffler.

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Why, on a modded car, would you even consider running in a stock class? Are you hell-bent on winning a trophy?

If we're talking about SCCA Solo, you're out of the stock class by everything other than the exhaust. You'd probably slot into STU just fine.
because i would be highly out-gunned in stu or stx.

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window tint and some random subaru factory accessories like the rear diff guard i heard it adds 15 hp
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:18 PM   #8
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because i would be highly out-gunned in stu or stx.
Those were the mods you chose to do, so that's where you end up. If you want to have fun, go out and have fun with your car as is. If you want to be competitive, prepare your car to the limits of another class. A well-prepped Forester XT should be a contender in ESP.
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:34 PM   #9
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because i would be highly out-gunned in stu or stx.
That's the way it goes for many people every Sunday. It can be fun to be the underdog and take out a couple of the higher prepped cars too..........
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:50 AM   #10
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thats true. as long as im having fun it shouldnt matter much anyways i guess.
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:30 PM   #11
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Just run a Porsche Club or BMWCCA event....IIRC they group other cars into an "X" class.

Guys in Porsches tend to get angry when a Dodge Omni GLH gets FTD though.
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Old 09-25-2009, 12:04 AM   #12
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because i would be highly out-gunned in stu or stx.
join the club of 3/4 of the people out at most autocrosses...

hell, I run a fairly lightly-modded (springs/sways/wheels/good tires) 09 WRX in STU and am heavily outgunned and badly throttled by STis and Evos built more toward the class rule limits. And I have 100+ autocrosses under my belt, so it's (hopefully) not due to the driver
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Why a shift knob would bump you out of stock is beyond me???
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Old 09-25-2009, 12:30 AM   #14
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Why a shift knob would bump you out of stock is beyond me???
It doesn't.
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Old 09-25-2009, 10:57 AM   #15
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because i would be highly out-gunned in stu or stx.
get the **** out....

stop whining and run the class where the car belongs, sorry to be blunt but I am tired of reading about people who are mad because they modded their car and it's not class competitive...

de-mod to move back to stock class...

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Old 09-25-2009, 12:26 PM   #16
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It doesn't.
I was about to say, what about shifter bushings?
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Old 09-25-2009, 01:04 PM   #17
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I was about to say, what about shifter bushings?
Those definitley do. Perfectly fine for STU though, which is where the car is classed as it currently sits.
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Old 09-25-2009, 11:09 PM   #18
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get the **** out....

stop whining and run the class where the car belongs, sorry to be blunt but I am tired of reading about people who are mad because they modded their car and it's not class competitive...

de-mod to move back to stock class...

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well jesus christ didnt mean to get on your bad side. when i started building my car i wasnt planning on running in auto x at all. but now that im looking to maybe get into at all, then why would i want to all all if theres douche bags like you out there. theres nothing with wanting to be competitive at all. especially a new-comer to the sport.
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well jesus christ didnt mean to get on your bad side. when i started building my car i wasnt planning on running in auto x at all. but now that im looking to maybe get into at all, then why would i want to all all if theres douche bags like you out there. theres nothing with wanting to be competitive at all. especially a new-comer to the sport.
Well you seem to be hoping someone's going to justify your want to wrongly class your car and most competitors won't appreciate that, as has been stated a few times already. Show up, class your car correctly, or ask for help if anything changes from now until that time and have fun.
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What you're trying to say, OP, is that "Hey, I'd like to play basketball, but I didn't know when I was a kid that I wanted to, so they should make the hoop 6 feet tall for me, so we're equal."

That, and this "class my car for me" has been rehashed so many times it isn't funny. The SCCA rules are publicly available. Just READ. It isn't hard.

Oh, and it doesn't matter where you're classed in terms of being competitive. If your region is at all decent, be prepared to eat humble pie for a while. I did, and still do.
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Old 09-26-2009, 02:44 PM   #21
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i was just curious to see if many people at all would mind a new comer with a basically stock car competing in a lower class and not against fully tuned stis with full suspension, brake and engine work. not difficult and definitely not calling for flaming.
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Old 09-26-2009, 03:29 PM   #22
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You will get smoked equally as badly in a stock class against other cars with real shocks and r-tires as you will in STU your first time out. At least you will know in STU that you are legal, and are on mostly equal ground running street tire vs street tire.
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i was just curious to see if many people at all would mind a new comer with a basically stock car competing in a lower class and not against fully tuned stis with full suspension, brake and engine work. not difficult and definitely not calling for flaming.
Because you're coming on here and saying "hey, can I cheat because I'm new?"

Cheating is cheating is cheating.
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i was just curious to see if many people at all would mind a new comer with a basically stock car competing in a lower class and not against fully tuned stis with full suspension, brake and engine work. not difficult and definitely not calling for flaming.
The problem is that new-comers really want to think they are the best driver EVaR immediately. No so, typically.

So, yes, if you're not doing well ,that happens. Not all cars are competitive, it's something you will realize eventually. Luckily Subies seem to do ok in most of their respective classes.

And on the douchebag comment I am sure most people would dis-agree that I am. I have just seen posts like the OP way too many times and just this once I wanted to speak my mind which is why I apologized in the bottom of my post.

On the other hand, I want to encourage people to try autocross, so I would rather you say, what do I need to do to be more competitive in my class?"Than "would you mind if I bent the rules for me?"
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i was just curious to see if many people at all would mind a new comer with a basically stock car competing in a lower class ...
I can understand the reason you asked. The experienced people won't be effected by the class a newbie enters because they're typically much faster anyway.

But what about another newbie who turns up with a completely legal car? They deserve a fair shot too.
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