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Old 09-28-2009, 01:08 PM   #1
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THE SOUTH AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT is proposing new legislation that will restrict P1 and P2 drivers under the age of 25 from driving a vehicle with eight cylinders or more, cars with supercharged or turbocharged engines and cars with performance-enhancing modifications.

The legislation, which will be tabled in the SA State Parliament on October 13, raises the minimum time on a learner’s permit from six to 12 months and requires L-platers to accrue at least 75 hours of supervised driving time before applying for a provisional licence.

P-platers returning from a licence disqualification cannot carry passengers between midnight and 5:00am under the new laws, and drivers who fail to display their P-plates face the loss of two demerit points.
“On average 27 percent of all fatalities in SA each year are aged between 16 and 24,” South Australian Road Safety Minister Michael O’Brien said.

“There’s more than 76,000 P platers on our roads and these new drivers, particularly those aged between 16 and 20 years of age, are up to three times more likely to be involved in a serious road crash.

“There’s also increasing community concern about these young inexperienced drivers getting behind the wheel of high powered vehicles and we’re basing our approach on existing legislation in Queensland, NSW and Victoria.”



Exemptions will be granted for provisional drivers who own a high-powered vehicle before the ban comes into effect, as well as those who need to drive one for work purposes.

Drivers who only have access to a high-powered vehicle (such as one owned by their parents) are also exempted.
Exempted drivers must carry documentation of their status while driving, or else risk a $250 fine and the loss of three demerit points.

There are likely to be significant numbers and classes of vehicles exempted. How turbocharged diesel vehicles (such as the Volkswagen Golf) will be treated under the proposed legislation is unclear. Such cars could hardly be viewed as “high performance vehicles”.

What it will mean for simple modifications and enhancements such as replacement exhaust and muffler systems, and the fitting of suspension kits, is also unclear.

The legislative strategy proposed will not be an easy one to frame for the SA Government. Any proscriptive legislation dealing with modifications will likely be a nightmare of detail and of exclusions and inclusions
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:59 PM   #2
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This is nothing new, similar laws are already in place in other parts of Oz. NSW even has specific speed limits for L and P plates.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:03 PM   #3
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I am surprised this has not started in the USA
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:12 PM   #4
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I am surprised this has not started in the USA
Because somebody would claim its 'their right'......
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:34 PM   #5
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Dumb idea. I bought my LGT when I was 19 and have never had a ticket or an accident where I am at fault with it.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:37 PM   #6
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I agree, plus the age range. 25 is pretty old
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:49 PM   #7
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Also, teenagers will drive like asshats even in a 90hp crapbox.

Ask me how I know...
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Old 09-28-2009, 03:24 PM   #8
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You can drive like an ash hat in anything but I would rather have the ass hats in a 90HP civic. I think it’s a good idea and I am 22 with no accidents. It would be cool if you could take some extra driving courses to qualify yourself for more advanced license earlier to satify the true ernthusiasts.
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Old 09-28-2009, 03:37 PM   #9
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Because somebody would claim its 'their right'......
I'm pretty sure it is, no?
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Old 09-28-2009, 03:49 PM   #10
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I'd P in....... Wait how old is she?
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Old 09-28-2009, 03:55 PM   #11
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I'm pretty sure it is, no?
Only on private property. Presumable they are still allowed to drive whatever they want off of public highways.
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:41 PM   #12
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Only on private property. Presumable they are still allowed to drive whatever they want off of public highways.
I'm talkin bout 'merica, not Oz.
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:47 PM   #13
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that redhead is kinda cute
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:20 PM   #14
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I can say I'm really not a fan of this type of legislation, it is a parents responsibility to set limits as to what car their child drives. If they wish to decrease asshattedness, increase the penalties for it. Also, 25 is too old.
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:33 PM   #15
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For the naysayers: judging by the high WRX insurance rates making news recently, giving high powered cars to people with little driving experience is a bad idea. So it would seem there's some actual logic behind tiered licenses

Remember, this this law isn't just nannying legislation designed to protect people from themselves - there's OTHER people on the road that might not want to be in the way when you lift-off oversteer your WRX into a grove of trees.

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I'm talkin bout 'merica, not Oz.
In the US, you can drive basically anything you want on private property. Traffic laws only exist on public roads. Driving on public roads is a privilege, for which you need a license, car registration, etc. There are already restrictions on vehicle types (commercial, non-commercial, motorcycle, etc.).

In the US, the basic premise of laws and regulations comes down to "free to do whatever you want, as long as you don't have an impact on someone else's rights." This seems to have been forgotten, as people seem to take the attitude that "I have rights to do whatever I want, but nobody else does."

In the US, your rights only extend as far as someone else's. So, if you violate someone else's rights, there are consequences. For example, there's no such thing as an explicit or implied right for a 16 year old to drive a car with big honkin V8. However there is an implied right for the other people using the road not to be injured, maimed, or killed by an irresponsible driver.

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Old 09-28-2009, 05:57 PM   #16
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I wish more folks had common sense (uncommon sense?) so laws like this wouldn't need to be dreamed up and implemented.

My kids most likely won't drive until they are 18, if they decide they want to....there is the door>>>. They just turned nine, so we'll see if I change my mind between now and then. I've yet to meet a 16 year old that was truely ready to drive and make the descions that need to be made almost everyday on the road. That includes myself....
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:55 PM   #17
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I wish more folks had common sense (uncommon sense?) so laws like this wouldn't need to be dreamed up and implemented.

My kids most likely won't drive until they are 18, if they decide they want to....there is the door>>>. They just turned nine, so we'll see if I change my mind between now and then. I've yet to meet a 16 year old that was truely ready to drive and make the descions that need to be made almost everyday on the road. That includes myself....
Common sense is taking a backseat to the "me me me" mentality. Most people think they are the only person on earth, and dont give a damn about anyone else, or the consequences of their actions.

I do disagree with you not letting your kids drive at all before they are 18. I can understand not letting them drive alone. I'm not trying to criticize your parenting. I don't even have any kids, but, you should take them out driving often with you to get them real world experience. Age does bring better decision making most of the time, but nothing replaces real world experience.
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You can drive like an ash hat in anything but I would rather have the ass hats in a 90HP civic. I think it’s a good idea and I am 22 with no accidents. It would be cool if you could take some extra driving courses to qualify yourself for more advanced license earlier to satify the true ernthusiasts.
those ashhats are usually the ones who wind up causing you to get into the accident not be part of it, or go drinking and driving then slam into your kids or you. i know one to many of those. see to many of those.

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Because somebody would claim its 'their right'......
swiftly followed by a law suit for millions of dollars for psychological damage from not being allowed to drive an 8 banger or turbocharged car....
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:11 AM   #20
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For the naysayers: judging by the high WRX insurance rates making news recently, giving high powered cars to people with little driving experience is a bad idea. So it would seem there's some actual logic behind tiered licenses
Indeed. But you must remember this is NASIOC, where we're all professional race car drivers and no one here has ever made a mistake.

If you don't think giving teenagers a high powered car is a mistake, I implore you to go no further than our Gen Com forum here at NASIOC. Plenty of idiocy to be had there.

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Nail + head = you. Gotta love the civil libertarians, right?
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I wish more folks had common sense (uncommon sense?) so laws like this wouldn't need to be dreamed up and implemented.

My kids most likely won't drive until they are 18, if they decide they want to....there is the door>>>. They just turned nine, so we'll see if I change my mind between now and then. I've yet to meet a 16 year old that was truely ready to drive and make the descions that need to be made almost everyday on the road. That includes myself....
As others have already said, why would you throw your kids into the drivnig pool fire at 18 with no driving experience??? I will even go so far as to *gasp* criticize your parenting. Age has nothing to do with maturity. There are 35 year olds that probably shouldnt be driving...

If your children display characteristics of responsibility, there is NOTHING wrong with nurturing that and getting them a head start on life's challenges and experiences, driving included.

Besides, good luck keeping them from behind a wheel when all their friends have cars in school and want to show them off/drive them during 4th period study hall......
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Nail + head = you. Gotta love the civil libertarians, right?
Gotta love the "Government knows best" people.

While I don't think kids should be driving these cars for obvious reasons, I'd say they have more of a right to do so than the government does to tell them they can't. Sounds like more legislation, regulation, revenue, control, laws and bans in the name of "safety". I don't think any kid should have a fast car (hell, my dad thought my 1993 Integra had too much power when I was a teenager), but I certainly don't think it's the government's job to tell you what you can and can't drive. Inching closer to the socialist ideal where the government controls everything in your life. I also see this as a huge revenue juggernaut to go after any "modifications". Once again, government creating laws in the veiled name of "safety" to take more of your money. What a surprise.

The rest of it, I completely endorse: increasing time on learner's permit, more supervised driving, no passengers after midnight, etc.

I blame parents who lack common sense/discipline and help to feed an every-hungry government that creates these laws to regulate common sense.
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Gotta love the "Government knows best" people.

While I don't think kids should be driving these cars for obvious reasons, I'd say they have more of a right to do so than the government does to tell them they can't. Sounds like more legislation, regulation, revenue, control, laws and bans in the name of "safety". I don't think any kid should have a fast car (hell, my dad thought my 1993 Integra had too much power when I was a teenager), but I certainly don't think it's the government's job to tell you what you can and can't drive. Inching closer to the socialist ideal where the government controls everything in your life. I also see this as a huge revenue juggernaut to go after any "modifications". Once again, government creating laws in the veiled name of "safety" to take more of your money. What a surprise.

The rest of it, I completely endorse: increasing time on learner's permit, more supervised driving, no passengers after midnight, etc.

I blame parents who lack common sense/discipline and help to feed an every-hungry government that creates these laws to regulate common sense.
I don't think I could have said it better myself. New drivers definitely need more time behind the wheel before risking other people's lives. I completely agree that they have more right to drive any car then the government has to say they can't. For once, I'd like to see regulation be cut down then increased, the current trend really just makes me want to move further and further north til I get to Canadian tundra.
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I don't think I could have said it better myself. New drivers definitely need more time behind the wheel before risking other people's lives. I completely agree that they have more right to drive any car then the government has to say they can't. For once, I'd like to see regulation be cut down then increased, the current trend really just makes me want to move further and further north til I get to Canadian tundra.
The story is from Australia. But like Avanti said, it sounds like something that will be on our shores shortly.

Just for the record: Do want driver.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:44 AM   #25
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For the naysayers: judging by the high WRX insurance rates making news recently, giving high powered cars to people with little driving experience is a bad idea. So it would seem there's some actual logic behind tiered licenses

Remember, this this law isn't just nannying legislation designed to protect people from themselves - there's OTHER people on the road that might not want to be in the way when you lift-off oversteer your WRX into a grove of trees.

In the US, you can drive basically anything you want on private property. Traffic laws only exist on public roads. Driving on public roads is a privilege, for which you need a license, car registration, etc. There are already restrictions on vehicle types (commercial, non-commercial, motorcycle, etc.).

In the US, the basic premise of laws and regulations comes down to "free to do whatever you want, as long as you don't have an impact on someone else's rights." This seems to have been forgotten, as people seem to take the attitude that "I have rights to do whatever I want, but nobody else does."

In the US, your rights only extend as far as someone else's. So, if you violate someone else's rights, there are consequences. For example, there's no such thing as an explicit or implied right for a 16 year old to drive a car with big honkin V8. However there is an implied right for the other people using the road not to be injured, maimed, or killed by an irresponsible driver.
Driving on public roads is also a right, not a privilege:

Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago, 169 NE 22
Thompson v Smith, 154 SE 579
Kent v Dulles, 357 U.S. 116, 125
Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293

Being scared of a 16 year old driving a V8 with a valid license isn't enough to take away their right to drive daddy's Camaro Z28. You don't fix a leaky faucet by turning off the water to the house, likewise, you don't fix bad drivers by taking away the option of having a faster car.
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