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Old 05-09-2002, 07:37 PM   #1
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Default So what does the Scooby community think of the RSX and the `Stang SVT?

I know I must not have been the only guy here that had the RSX on their shoppin list before they bought their WRX. I thought it was a pretty nice car - what do you guys think of it?

I also JUST got my issue of C&D and on the cover is the latest `Stang SVT. Says 390hp - now thats cool. But then its 0-60 is 4.5, and its 1/4 miles is 12.9 @111. Don't get me wrong, those times are nice and all, but for a car that costs over $12K MORE than our WRX, wouldn't you expect more???
Over $35K for a mustang kinda takes it's "cheap & fast" image away.
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Old 05-09-2002, 07:54 PM   #2
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The new Cobra is very impressive. Supercharged 32 valve V8, fully indepent rear suspension, etc. It's not cheap anymore though because it competes with the Corvette now really. With the Camaro/Firebird on the way out there's no need for the Mustang to stay cheap.
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Old 05-09-2002, 08:02 PM   #3
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The mature members of the community will probably agree that they are both very nice cars- just different from the Subaru. The RSX would have been on my list if the wrx never made it over here, I guess.
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Old 05-09-2002, 08:05 PM   #4
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Never really liked the stang... just a personal preferance thing

The RSX on the other hand is a great car... nice smoth tranny very even clutch, gotta love the 6 speed Definatly would have one if i didn't have a subie

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Old 05-09-2002, 08:07 PM   #5
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Another vote for the Mustang not being my thing, tho when I was 14 I would have killed for a LX 5.0 hatch. New SVT too old-tech for me, even with the new upgrades.

RSX is very nice. A friend just bought a Type S 6-speed, it's quite a slick ride. Not for me tho, just can't get past the FWD/Honda boy-racer thing.

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Old 05-09-2002, 08:36 PM   #6
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They both definitely are great cars. Stangs were never on my list though because 260-400 HP + RWD + 6-12" of snow = serious problems. The RSX is a great ride too, but the AWD just can't be beat in the snow. Plus I don't mind the extra HP .
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Old 05-09-2002, 08:45 PM   #7
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The RSX is a piece o' crap compared to the Integra Type R though. The Integra was a true race car. The RSX is a luxury compact. The Type R came with a LSD, it's not even an option on the RSX. And the Type R had no sound deadening, so it weighed a lot less.
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Old 05-09-2002, 08:49 PM   #8
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Personally, I have never liked mustangs, but this latest one is quite impressive. Although I would never buy one. I don't like the RSX-S one bit. I would definately rather have an ITR over the
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Old 05-09-2002, 08:53 PM   #9
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i agree with you on the type r that was a great car too!! but i do enjoy things like AC in my daily driver

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Old 05-09-2002, 08:54 PM   #10
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RSX? no more front drive cars for me, thank you.

2003 Cobra sounds pretty impressive. 390 hp from the factory, right? It's pretty hard to argue with that. The price sounds kind of high for a mustang though.

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Old 05-09-2002, 09:02 PM   #11
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I've always thought mustangs were fun cars. And that was only the 225 horse ones. I can only imagine what 390 RWD HP is like

Just not a practical car for New England, and a handful to drive under any condition.

As for the RSX, yeah its nice, and nice is the key word. I wouldn't buy it if I was looking for the performance bang for the buck. That's why I got a WRX Its presentation is very nice and I'm sure its a sporty car.

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Old 05-09-2002, 09:06 PM   #12
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I defintly agree with you guys about not being "into" `Stangs. Maybe cuz ever since I've been around they have been completely updated, umm, oh say TWICE - how totally and completely pathetic is THAT!?
I mean lets put is THIS way - an IRS is a NEW concept for a Mustang, while most cars have had IRSs for DECADES!
MAYBE I'll be impressed by the next-gen `Stang which is coming out in `03 (or is that 04). Either way, I think it FINALLY becomes a "modern" automobile. I guess then we can all welcome it to the 21-century.

On the RSX, I think its a pretty cool car - VERY cool interior, and like someone mentioned it is a "luxury compact". The integra probably never REALLY fit into the "Acura" line up as an upscale line. The RSX is defintly more upscale - even if it lost some of its roots. still cool overall - ESPESIALLY that tranny. I think I could live without having to rev to like redline just to get some power though. I think that would get REALLY old really fast in day-to-day driving - probably fun for a weekend drive though.
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Old 05-09-2002, 09:33 PM   #13
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I defintly agree with you guys about not being "into" `Stangs. Maybe cuz ever since I've been around they have been completely updated, umm, oh say TWICE - how totally and completely pathetic is THAT!?
I guess you've only been around for 10 years?

You should go drive one. I'm a a muscle car fan at heart, and let me tell you, the new Cobra (and even last years non-supercharged model) has to be one of the best bangs for the buck ever (right up there with the Z06 Corvette). I know you think it is expensive and "old tech", but your really comparing apples to oranges when comparing it to the Subaru.

The mustang the the Subaru are completely different animals. For $35K, I'd enjoy picking up my factory SVT Mustang "race car" and driving with the cruise control on all the way to the road course event. A 12 sec street car from the Factory is unheard of (mostly because tires sucked back in the day). Try making your Subaru WRx run 12 seconds and see what happens, or how much more you spend over $35 including the car price, plus see what breaks into peices. The Mustang handles and stops great too, it's not a straight line machine. I love my Subaru and it does all the things I need it to do now, but you can't be bashing the new Mustang. It is not old tech at all, it just uses an easy design of combined systems that work very well together, and have for many years. It's a purpose built car, and it does its job exceptionally well.

I just don't think you can compare the Stang to the Subaru. I don't like the new RSX. It and the Integra were just too small, and I like to have more low end power (muscle car thing).

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Old 05-09-2002, 10:17 PM   #14
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I'll quote C&D for this one :
"So, although SVT may have been handicapped by the Fox platform on which the Mustang has been based since 1979, it certainly made a sincere effort to prduce a civilized Cobra".
I don't care WHAT kind of reinforcements/mods you do, a car still based on a 23 year old platform still equals 'LOW TECH' to me. I see that SVT is TRYING to do the best it can with the SVT mustang, but its still BASED on a very ancient platform. And since the VAST majority of the actual mustangs sold out there are NOT teh Cobra, that means that most of them do NOT get the more advanced components - thus my whole comment about the next-gen `Stang. Hell, that poor car should have been completely redesigned years and years ago - cuz if that was the case, I might have been 'into' them today. I also think a whole generation of "car-guys" where turned-off by the same thing - proof is in the huge number of people under 30 that drive higher-tech imports. (and I'll be the first person to say that I think thats a shame that Ford and Chevy didn't keep spending $ on R&D).

Oh, ya might also wanna notice that I did not compare either the `Stang or the RSX to the WRX (except stating that the SVT is over 50% more expensive than our beloved WRX).
I also think your comment about factories not coming out with 12-sec cars might also have to do with insurance issues too. In the real world, ya can't forget about insurance.
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Old 05-09-2002, 10:25 PM   #15
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What's so wrong with it's "old car technology" if it's faster than most cars with "new car technology"? Heck, compare the new Cobra to a Skyline GT-R even, see which is faster. Some technology just doesnt need to be changed. There's a reason most 4 cylinders are still 1.8 or 2.0 litres.
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Old 05-10-2002, 08:35 AM   #16
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I had owned three Integras before the WRX - an '88 LS hatch, a '90 GS hatch, and a '95 GS-R sedan.

The last generation of Integra in particular was a lot of fun, and certainly could be considered a "driver's car". It was a car whose performance varied from poor to excellent, depending on the driver. It had the best transmission I've ever used. The chassis communicated very well.

I was certainly ready to buy a RSX-R when they were introduced - but I felt that Acura had (unfortunately) remade the car to better fit their model lineup. As someone alluded to earlier in this thread, the car changed to "luxury compact". Extra toys in the cockpit are fine, but the car feels like it's remote controlled rather than driver controlled.

My ideal "Integra" would be the Type R with AWD.
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Old 05-10-2002, 08:44 AM   #17
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An Integra Type R with AWD wouldnt be all that impressive. Not enough torque in that motor to get all 4 wheels moving from a dead start.
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Old 05-10-2002, 11:11 AM   #18
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Summary for me, Cobra, absolutely sick, the sound of one is tasty, the looks are finally getting back to a real sports car.

The RSX, it's quick, but it still looks like someone put an Integra bodykit on a Chevy Cavalier, but thats just my opinion.

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Old 05-10-2002, 11:58 AM   #19
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Default Like them both, but....

... if you can, opt for the top models. I mean if I were considering a Mustang, I'd go for the new '03 Cobra (nice reviews written on a blue one in both Car&Driver and Road&Track). Great-looking car (if you're in to Mustangs), with a shnazzy new six-speed and LOTS of power. But of course it's RWD... nice for performance, but tough in the off-season unless you're well-prepared.

And the RSX? I'm a Honda guy, I've always been a Honda guy, I'll always be a Honda guy. I love it. I owned a '94 Integra RS before the Impreza, and I still miss it. Mostly because:
1. I didn't owe anything on it...
2. It ran like a champ...
3. It was a hatchback with about 34,567 times more packing space than the Subie.

Don't let #2 fool you into thinking the Subaru doesn't run well. It does, that's not what I meant.

I personally think the RSX looks nicer than the Integra did, though many disagree. However to go along with what I was saying up top, if you can afford it... hold out for the top model.

The Type-R, in true form, ought to be here soon enough. Maybe a year, give or take. Were I to trade up on an RSX, there's no other model I'd even consider. Yeah they're FWD, yeah we AWD (or RWD) people will b!tcH about the understeer of FWD cars, but the Type-Rs never drove like FWD cars. They're marvels, all of them. Honda's an ingenious company, and when they put that genious to serious work, it shows. (But when they don't, that shows too.... like how the new Civic and base RSX got downgraded suspensions. )

The Type-R IS on my list for next cars. Along with the Audi S4, STi, Subaru Legacy Turbo (*cross fingers*) or a Honda S2000, if I'm really loaded enough to keep the RS too, for year-round duty.

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Old 05-10-2002, 12:02 PM   #20
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Oh yeah... I forgot about the debate over the 1970s-era Fox platform that the Mustang is still built off of. And it's a good debate.

I think it stinks too, and if you can really wait, then wait on the next generation to come out, because I think Ford is starting from scratch. When the Cobra version hits THAT one, now that'll be a kick-butt car.

Although, if you aren't an Andretti, I bet the big upgrades Ford did on the new 2003 Cobra are enough to satisfy.

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Old 05-10-2002, 12:26 PM   #21
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I like mustangs. I seriously considered getting one, but the rear wheel drive, and crazy high insurance turned me off. If I had a beater car to drive in the nasty weather, I might have bought a mustang. And the new cobra looks pretty sick, but I don't have 35k to drop on a car, if I did I might seriously consider getting one. Aren't the new mustangs supposed to go on the same chassis as the Jag type X and the Lincoln LS, with IRS, a six speed, and more power?? If I ever get my WRX paid off, I might consider getting something like that as a good weather car, and keep the Subbie for track days and nasty weather. The impreza, in my opinion, is a perfect car: good engine, awd good for any type of weather, reliable, not too expensive, and very competent. The rsx looks interesting, but I would go a different route before getting an acura, probably something more like a Saab 9-3 SE, or a vigen if I could find one for a good price.
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Old 05-10-2002, 11:24 PM   #22
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yea, RSX was on the list if it wasn't for the wrx

the SVT is the only mustang I like, just like the power of it for some reason- call it my redneck upbringing. just makes me want to wet myself, I like the rumble all that.

the camaro and fire chicken will be back after a redesign- trust me, if you think about it, they kind of did the same thing with the mustang around 97 ish I think

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I wouldn't kick the new SVT Mustang out of bed for eating cookies.

I wish Ford would go back to 1965 with Mustang styling though. Those were sexy cars.
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An Integra Type R with AWD wouldnt be all that impressive. Not enough torque in that motor to get all 4 wheels moving from a dead start.
Certainly not from a rolling start - but 7200 rpm from a dead stop would work.
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I don't care WHAT kind of reinforcements/mods you do, a car still based on a 23 year old platform still equals 'LOW TECH' to me. I see that SVT is TRYING to do the best it can with the SVT mustang, but its still BASED on a very ancient platform. And since the VAST majority of the actual mustangs sold out there are NOT teh Cobra, that means that most of them do NOT get the more advanced components - thus my whole comment about the next-gen `Stang. Hell, that poor car should have been completely redesigned years and years ago - cuz if that was the case, I might have been 'into' them today. I also think a whole generation of "car-guys" where turned-off by the same thing - proof is in the huge number of people under 30 that drive higher-tech imports. (and I'll be the first person to say that I think thats a shame that Ford and Chevy didn't keep spending $ on R&D).
Well your entitled to your opinion, but to say it politely this quote above just makes no sence to me. What exactly do you want in the car you puchase? A slip that says it's on an entirly new body platform thats not based on any other platform known to exist?

1. The boxer engine has been around for ever.
2. The Subara AWD is not new-tech., but mechanical (unless you get Auto WRX or Outback). It is a very simple design, that hasn't changed as far as I know. They have just added it to every car they make. The engine management/electronics on the Subaru are not very advanced, and the turbo system design is the same on every car since they were turboing Legacys in the early 90's.
3. The Impreza isn't all new at all. They redesigned the body. All the mechanical aspects of the car are used in previous Impreza models. They are just improving the dynamics of the car, just like SVT does.

So, I don't see your point? Please explain to me these things so I can help answer your question.
1. What exactly is "low tech" on the Mustang in your eyes? (specific examples please, like "push rod motor").
2. What is so "New Tech" on the other car choices in this post?
3. What do you want to do and what do you expect from the car your purchasing.

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I see that SVT is TRYING to do the best it can with the SVT mustang, but its still BASED on a very ancient platform. And since the VAST majority of the actual mustangs sold out there are NOT teh Cobra, that means that most of them do NOT get the more advanced components - thus my whole comment about the next-gen `Stang.
This statement is just not correct. You obviously do not know much about the car. You should stop reading car and driver and go to a dealer and drive one. As far as I know, the Mustang Cobra gets a different rear suspension, better brakes, differnet gearing, and a different motor than the standard Mustgang GT, along with the "Cobra" accents and interior (cosmetic). I am sure the tuning on the suspension is different, and the 2002's had traction control. All this "sytems" are based on the sames priciple design for both cars. They aren't a different low tech design at all, they are just designed with different goals in mind. For example, they both have front struts. Same design, etc.. But the are internally different because the market for each car is different. They are the same technology.

Car Companies don't worry about insurance company's. A 12 sec. car from the factory wasn't available because it "use to be" too costly to produce and they weren't reliable, so the "market" wasn't there. Now you can drive cross county in a car and not modify it, be comfortable, and hit every race track on the way only taking your suit case out of the trunk. Now there is a market for the people who can understand it.

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