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Old 08-20-2009, 04:28 PM   #1
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Didn't Ward play in more dropback sets, as well?
I think he did. FSU had some really good teams back then, how many National Championships would FSU have if they had kickers who could make field goals?

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PSU player interview from 1948 - *warning* has video in it that auto-starts.




SMU tried to meet with PSU to keep black players from playing in the Cotton Bowl - a PSU player responded with "We are Penn State, there will be no meetings."

Side Note - PSU would not play U of Miami in the same year because UM didn't the other team's black players to play. So, PSU didn't play.
Good story. I respect PSU a little more, even if they did spoil my first ever visit to New Orleans.
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He is?

Ward throws a better ball, and is a better runner. Look at the film and past youre own biased. Tebow's throwing motion is horrid, and his spiral is awful. As far as him as a runner?????? he is a fullback essentially.

Let me ask you something .... would Tebow win the Heisman if he were at saaaaaaaaaaay Florida Atlantic? If he is the most awesomist ultra uber z0mg l33t QB to ever push out a turd in the world!!!!!!!!! He should be able to win it no matter where he is

Look at the numbers. Tebow's are better. Ward may throw a prettier pass but how good it looks doesn't matter that much in college. NO WAY was he a better runner...different style and more elusive...yes...better....no. And as far as my bias you should look at my other posts in this thread to see how biased I am.

Would Ward have one it if he played for Florida Atlantic? Didn't think so. No body would...winning the Heisman has a lot to do with talent and a lot to do with marketing and the school the player is at.
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02Blu....What's FSU's beef with OU?

You're school is just making people mad here in Oklahoma, which won't help you out next year. (yes we can hold even the most petty football grudges for a year or longer)

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CN: during the NC game an announcer spoke about Balogun playing semi-pro before going to JuCo and then OU. In the following days FSU (compliance department) pressed OU and the Big 12 about it. OU checked the records and told the Big 12 what was up and it was dropped until FSU then found a box score that was incorrect and listed Balougn playing until he was 23. OU contacted the Semi-pro team directly and was told the boxscore was incorrect and Balougn played until just before his 21st birthday (Season ended in September, his b-day was end of September)
OU was forced to pass its findings to the NCAA who is siding with the incorrect box score which the Semi-pro team is saying is incorrect and needs to be fixed.

This kid has a good story behind him, which makes this even harder for the Sooner Nation to accept the NCAA's ruling (as long as we're getting the real and whole story).

Had to quit high school football to work construction to provide for his family. After high school he played semi-pro while working. He quit in 2004 and in 2006 tried out for a juco team and made it. OU then picked him up with 2 years of eligibility left (which the NCAA cleared him at the time). He's now one year away from getting his Sociology degree and a relatively decent shot at the NFL (late draft pick).
Tallguy it stems from our reciever this past school year who was in the same situation as your linebacker. He had a rough childhood and didn't go to Junior College till late in his life. He supposedly played in a flag football league when he was 19 or 20 and the NCAA stated that was a year of eligibility then the two years with the Juco make 3. The year with FSU makes four. So FSU appealed and the NCAA shot it down as usual. I guess they were pissed and hence turned you guys in. WR name was Corey Surrency which I posted the story a while back.Hopefully I wont get chastised

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I guess FSU is trying to piss everyone off. Probably not a good idea to give Tebow/Gators any more incentive for that game.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-...s-better-tebow
Bowden was taken out of context with what he said! Charlie Ward was as good as Tebow and was as a devout christian as Tebow as well. He just didn't have the idolotry that Tebow has. Charlie was also a Prop 48 meaning that he didn't make the grades his Freshman year! Who cares if Bowden said that anyway he is entitled to say his opinion.

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"People keep asking me about Tebow," Bowden said, according to the Sentinel. "I don't know if he's better than Charlie. I don't think he runs better than Charlie. I don't think he throws better than Charlie. And Charlie only played [quarterback] two years for us."

Ward was also a 2-sport athlete. Its not a stretch to say that Charlie Ward was a better QB than Tebow ..... of course Ward couldnt heal the sick and handicap with his tears. OMG!! I love Tebow I just wanna lick him





Charlie was an incredible athlete and was a very productive Basketball player. He also made the final eight I think in 1993 or 1994 not sure. Great team with Bobby Sura,Charlie Ward and Sam Cassell.




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Tebow is the better QB but Ward is the better all around athlete. Why would you lick him?

How can you say that when Ward is still the most highly decorated Quarterback ever? I can back that up as he won ALL of the Awards Heisman ,Johnny Unitas AP Athlete etc.......


They won't take all of them....just the ones that were had during the cheating scandal.
The Coaches had nothing to do with the losses and didn't know about the idiot players.

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Didn't Ward play in more dropback sets, as well?
He mainly played out of the shotgun set , but did go under center periodically. I guess FSU and Bowden really pioneered the Spread as they would go 5 wide with Ward in the Shotgun. My favorite play of all time is the 93 FSU/Florida game which Ward threw a bubble screen to Warrick Dunn for a Touchdown
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Look at the numbers. Tebow's are better. Ward may throw a prettier pass but how good it looks doesn't matter that much in college. NO WAY was he a better runner...different style and more elusive...yes...better....no. And as far as my bias you should look at my other posts in this thread to see how biased I am.

Would Ward have one it if he played for Florida Atlantic? Didn't think so. No body would...winning the Heisman has a lot to do with talent and a lot to do with marketing and the school the player is at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Ward
http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=198888

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tebow

Charlie Ward is a much better athlete and had he played a full four years I'm sure his statistics would have been similar. I didn't even know that he was drafted to play baseball. As you said they are different type of runners. Tebow trys to run you over and Ward would just juke and jive you out of your cleats. Ward never never got the publicity that Tebow has gotten and people didn't worship him like Elvis I saw him two years ago and didn't even recognize him as he is thinner.


Although Tebow did play baseball at Nease and from my understanding he was pretty good.
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Tallguy it stems from our receiver this past school year who was in the same situation as your linebacker. He had a rough childhood and didn't go to Junior College till late in his life. He supposedly played in a flag football league when he was 19 or 20 and the NCAA stated that was a year of eligibility then the two years with the Juco make 3. The year with FSU makes four. So FSU appealed and the NCAA shot it down as usual. I guess they were pissed and hence turned you guys in. WR name was Corey Surrency which I posted the story a while back.Hopefully I wont get chastised
Good to know and I understand where they are coming from, but it's still annoying that one school is calling out another in the manner, especially considering the semi-pro team is saying the online record cited is incorrect.

The real frustration comes from dealing with the NCAA when Stoops and Co. are doing everything they can to run a clean and open program. The NCAA seems only to go after those schools who work with them the most regarding infractions and questionable situations, while ignoring those who handle things 'internally' or stall until it is forgotten, or the player(s) in question are long gone.

I know FSU has and is fighting these battles with the NCAA, so that is one thing we have in common.



In better news...I got billed for my 2 season tickets today

Instead of getting mailed a set of tickets, they are letting us print them off at home during the week of the game, so no fancy ticket stubs for memories.

OU v Texas tickets go on sale on September 1st and I'll be securing 2 tickets.
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I had settled in for the game in southbend with ND VS USC this year, had the plans made, had the awesome coming....then corporate comes down with a "blackout" day starting the weekend of the game.

I had to give up my tickets









My boss felt so bad that he gave me the stadium box seats for the huskers for 2 games, as nice as that is, and it's cool that I will get to see OU beat the crap out of NU....it's not gonna replace my ND V usc game. so instead of that game I get to go to the michigan game at the big house, and the conneticut game on the 21st. so the CFB season lines up ok
sept 5th - corporate seats for nebraska
sept 12th - ND V UM
sept 26th - husker 300th consecutive sellout student section seats
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nov 21st Uconn @ southbend
and that is the plan for college football this year for me and the wife, should be a fun time!
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Look at the numbers. Tebow's are better. Ward may throw a prettier pass but how good it looks doesn't matter that much in college. NO WAY was he a better runner...different style and more elusive...yes...better....no. And as far as my bias you should look at my other posts in this thread to see how biased I am.

Would Ward have one it if he played for Florida Atlantic? Didn't think so. No body would...winning the Heisman has to do with marketing and the school the player is at.

No way is he a better runner? really?

Well I guess it depends on what your definition of a good runner is. If you think John Riggins was a great "runner" then yes .....Tebow is a better runner.



Thank you for proving my point.

No doubt in my mind that Tebow is a "good" QB, but he isnt even the best QB to Step foot in the Swamp .....Ummm errrrrrr to be a student at UF.

Tebow is a great kid, a good leader that just so happens to be surrounded by some of the best talent the college football world has seen ......with out at that talent .......... the name Tebow would be a whisper in the wind.
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No way is he a better runner? really?

Well I guess it depends on what your definition of a good runner is. If you think John Riggins was a great "runner" then yes .....Tebow is a better runner.



Thank you for proving my point.

No doubt in my mind that Tebow is a "good" QB, but he isnt even the best QB to Step foot in the Swamp .....Ummm errrrrrr to be a student at UF.

Tebow is a great kid, a good leader that just so happens to be surrounded by some of the best talent the college football world has seen ......with out at that talent .......... the name Tebow would be a whisper in the wind.

Well I don't think that many QB's would be great without any talent at WR/RB, but that is just me. Obviously we could go back and forth all day long on the topic but it's not worth it. I know you are probably tired of seeing all the Tebow stuff, cause I am too. Also, just b/c I went to UF doesn't mean anything. I do know about other payers in the programs past.

And thanks for the Kiffin vids! Made for a good laugh.
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I had settled in for the game in southbend with ND VS USC this year, had the plans made, had the awesome coming....then corporate comes down with a "blackout" day starting the weekend of the game.

I had to give up my tickets









My boss felt so bad that he gave me the stadium box seats for the huskers for 2 games, as nice as that is, and it's cool that I will get to see OU beat the crap out of NU....it's not gonna replace my ND V usc game. so instead of that game I get to go to the michigan game at the big house, and the conneticut game on the 21st. so the CFB season lines up ok
sept 5th - corporate seats for nebraska
sept 12th - ND V UM
sept 26th - husker 300th consecutive sellout student section seats
november 7th - Nu V OU corporate seats
nov 21st Uconn @ southbend
and that is the plan for college football this year for me and the wife, should be a fun time!


Damn, that sucks. It looks like you will still get to go to some good games though. At least your boss showed you some type of sympathy and didn't just say oh well.
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Good story. I respect PSU a little more, even if they did spoil my first ever visit to New Orleans.
it's stuff like that (and PSU has a bunch of stuff like that) that actually makes me a lil bit proud to be a PSU Alum.


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I had settled in for the game in southbend with ND VS USC this year, had the plans made, had the awesome coming....then corporate comes down with a "blackout" day starting the weekend of the game.

I had to give up my tickets









My boss felt so bad that he gave me the stadium box seats for the huskers for 2 games, as nice as that is, and it's cool that I will get to see OU beat the crap out of NU....it's not gonna replace my ND V usc game. so instead of that game I get to go to the michigan game at the big house, and the conneticut game on the 21st. so the CFB season lines up ok
sept 5th - corporate seats for nebraska
sept 12th - ND V UM
sept 26th - husker 300th consecutive sellout student section seats
november 7th - Nu V OU corporate seats
nov 21st Uconn @ southbend
and that is the plan for college football this year for me and the wife, should be a fun time!
That sucks. ND could actually win it this year assuming the offense clicks.

If you're looking for some company on November 7th, I'm sure I could find a way up there
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TGC, if you need a place to crash, I live about 15 minutes from Arlington and Cowboy's stadium(pretty sure that's where the game is). We got a guest room if ya need it.




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Thanks for the offer, but I'm planning on taking my father for his birthday. He's never been to an OU/Texas game and has wanted to for a long time. It'll likely be a day trip without sight seeing or partying.

He grew up in Muskogee (that's right an Okie from Muskokie) and was able to go to a few games throughout the years for free when he was a boyscout because they were stadium ushers. They didn't have the money to buy single game tickets or travel to games and he's always talked about finding the time to make it but has never been able to. Should be a good present

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Good to know and I understand where they are coming from, but it's still annoying that one school is calling out another in the manner, especially considering the semi-pro team is saying the online record cited is incorrect.

The real frustration comes from dealing with the NCAA when Stoops and Co. are doing everything they can to run a clean and open program. The NCAA seems only to go after those schools who work with them the most regarding infractions and questionable situations, while ignoring those who handle things 'internally' or stall until it is forgotten, or the player(s) in question are long gone.

I know FSU has and is fighting these battles with the NCAA, so that is one thing we have in common.



In better news...I got billed for my 2 season tickets today

Instead of getting mailed a set of tickets, they are letting us print them off at home during the week of the game, so no fancy ticket stubs for memories.

OU v Texas tickets go on sale on September 1st and I'll be securing 2 tickets.
TGC- I just read this on Warchant which is the FSU Rivals network

Florida State responds to charge of reporting Oklahoma eligibility violation
In response to erroneous media reports, Florida State University athletics would like to clarify its conversation with Oklahoma University as it pertains to the eligibility of Sooners linebacker Mike Balogun.

Florida State's compliance office did contact the Oklahoma University compliance office after learning that Balogun had played in a semi-pro football league while watching the Jan. 9, 2009 television broadcast of the Bowl Championship Series national championship game.

"The purpose of the inquiry to Oklahoma University was to gather information regarding a similar eligibility case involving former Florida State wide receiver Corey Surrency," said Brian Battle, FSU Associate Athletic Director for Compliance. "Florida State's compliance office did not contact the Big 12 or the NCAA."

Surrency, who also played in a semi-pro football league beyond his 21st birthday, was denied a second year of eligibility by the NCAA following the school's appeal on April 28, 2009.

"There was no ill intention on our part," Battle said. "It was merely
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Thanks for the offer, but I'm planning on taking my father for his birthday. He's never been to an OU/Texas game and has wanted to for a long time. It'll likely be a day trip without sight seeing or partying.

He grew up in Muskogee (that's right an Okie from Muskokie) and was able to go to a few games throughout the years for free when he was a boyscout because they were stadium ushers. They didn't have the money to buy single game tickets or travel to games and he's always talked about finding the time to make it but has never been able to. Should be a good present
Man, that's freakin' awesome of you. I hope that you and your father have a great time here.



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LOLhahahahahahaa!!!!!

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YouTube - lane kiffin runs into spurrier at grocery store

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Stoops in a dunk tank at OU's practice.

Glad to see Stoops and Co. are letting them have some fun before the season starts.

http://www.cstv.com/allaccess/player...v&school=okla&
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Damn, that sucks. It looks like you will still get to go to some good games though. At least your boss showed you some type of sympathy and didn't just say oh well.
my bossi si a women, **** her in the ass with a rubber dong and beat her to death with the rest of it.

ALL of her coworkers that are at the same level as her, said she should let me go(all men) and she said I need to stay....so I hope she gets cervical cancer, or ball cancer, whatever that **** thas.
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That sucks. ND could actually win it this year assuming the offense clicks.

If you're looking for some company on November 7th, I'm sure I could find a way up there
If you don't mind being with a guy who doesn't belivein drinking (aka my boss) b e my guerst, but if you come up for the game, send me a PM< I got some killer tailgates for you to go to.
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Lou Holtz has finally done it. He's done the unthinkable.

Lou Holtz publically announces a UF v ND title game.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4416009



DUI,

You've got to get your boy in check. He could get hurt going on TV and announcing blasphemies like perpetuating Charlie Weis' delusions of grandeur.
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^ they have 1 difficult game this year. If they win out they could potentially get to the BCS title game (if teams like OU, Texas, etc. have more than 1 loss).

If they did that though, the game would be similar to the 2007 Sugar Bowl where Brady Quinn was courageous in getting crushed by LSU.

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Glad to see Stoops and Co. are letting them have some fun before the season starts.

http://www.cstv.com/allaccess/player...v&school=okla&
HOW DARE THEY HAVE FUN AND LOOSEN UP BEFORE A SEASON! WHILE THEY WERE FOOLING AROUND IOWA STATE WAS WORKING THEIR ASS OFF AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BEAT YOU.





That's what you would have heard if Lane Kiffin was your coach.
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