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Old 10-01-2009, 02:18 PM   #1
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Detroit's Big Three automakers joined Nissan Motor Co. in reporting down sales numbers for September, as the automakers felt the payback from the end of the "cash for clunkers" program.

GM sales dropped 45 percent compared to September 2008. Last month, GM sold 156,673 vehicles. Retail sales fell 46 percent while fleet sales declined 43 percent from the same period a year earlier.

"September was a tough transitional month for the industry, and a difficult year-over-year comparison for GM. Fortunately, the fourth quarter looks brighter and our year-over-year comparisons should look more favorable," said Mark LaNeve, GM's vice president of U.S. sales.

Meanwhile, Chrysler sales fell 42 percent compared to the same month a year ago. Chrysler sold 62,197 vehicles in September, down from 107,349 in the same month last year, and the company's top sales executive said he thought the rest of the year would remain a challenge.

"We believe the remainder of 2009 will continue to be a challenge for the U.S. automotive market," said Peter Fong, who also is president and CEO of the company's Chrysler brand.

Ford sales fell 5.1 percent, and Nissan was off 7 percent, compared to the same month a year ago.

For Ford, demand was off 37.2 percent compared to August, when the federal rebate program was in full swing. Nissan sales dropped 47 percent compared to August.
Ford said Thursday that it sold 114,241 light vehicles last month, including its Swedish Volvo brand, down from 181,826 in August and 120,355 in September a year ago.
F-Series pickup sales gained 3.5 percent last month, and demand for the new 2010 Taurus soared more than 60 percent.

Nissan's September sales dropped to 55,393 vehicles from 59,565 a year ago, and 105,312 in August.

Hyundai Motor Co., which has seen increases in sales as most other automakers have reported losses, saw another jump in September compared to a year ago, reporting an increase of 27 percent. The South Korean automaker reported sales of 31,511 vehicles in September.

Analysts expect a significant drop in U.S. auto sales for the month, with Edmunds.com predicting a decline of more than 22 percent from a year ago and more than 40 percent from August, when sales showed the first monthly, year-over-year gain since October 2007

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Old 10-01-2009, 02:21 PM   #2
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Hyundai Motor America today announced September sales of 31,511 units, a 27 percent increase compared with September 2008.

For the calendar year to-date, Hyundai sales are up 1.4 percent compared to last year. This also marks the ninth consecutive month of significant year-over-year gains in retail market share. Hyundai leads all automotive brands in market share growth this year. "While consumer demand following the Cash-for-Clunkers program softened during the month of September, we are encouraged with our continued growth in retail share and overall sales through the first nine months of the year," said Dave Zuchowski, vice president of sales. "With our solid product and marketing plans going into the fourth quarter, in addition to the upcoming launch of the all-new Tucson and Sonata, we are cautiously optimistic during these challenging times."
Genesis continued its strong growth trend with sales of 1,665. The fuel-efficient Elantra had an increase of 104 percent versus 2008, while the Santa Fe delivered a significant sales gain of 50 percent leading up to the introduction of the even more fuel-efficient face lifted 2010 model.














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Old 10-01-2009, 03:50 PM   #3
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:36 PM   #4
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I will second that! Go Ford.
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:27 AM   #5
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:41 AM   #6
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So that we can have 1 company in the U.S. that has no Domestic opposition? No thanks!

*Chrysler won't be missed if it does go away in the next 10 years*
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Your assuming that no other car company will rise in their place
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:14 PM   #8
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So that we can have 1 company in the U.S. that has no Domestic opposition? No thanks!

*Chrysler won't be missed if it does go away in the next 10 years*
Does it matter if it has "domestic" opposition?
I don't care where my car is from, as long as it is good.
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Old 10-03-2009, 11:39 AM   #9
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"Domestic" isn't so much THAT anymore anyway. So many "domestic" brand cars are build outside the US and so many "foreign" cars are built inside the US that it's hardly distinguishable who actually is "domestic" nowadays.
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And most of the good "domestic" cars are designed or based on platforms from outside the USA anyway
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Old 10-03-2009, 01:46 PM   #12
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**** GM. The commercials they run now are despicable, pretending to be in it with "us the consumer". Considering the bailouts these guys might as well have broke into our houses and stole from our wallets. And now they want me to buy a car from them...? LOLOLOLOLOL...
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US sales by manufacturer. September 2008 vs. September 2009

GM -44.8
Ford -5.8
Chrysler -42.1
Toyota -12.6
Honda -20.1
Nissan -7.0
Hyundai +27.2
Mazda -12.0
Mitsubishi -36.1
Kia +24.4
Subaru +0.7
Suzuki -54.4
Mercedes -9.6
Saab -72.6
Volvo +16.3
Volkswagon +1.5
Audi -4.9
BMW +2.1
Porsche +8.4
Jaguar -9.2
Land Rover -15.1
Mini +9.7
Ferrari +52.4
Maserati -34.7
Bently -29.6
Rolls Royce +36.8
Marbach -28.6


It was bad for a majority but, WOW look at Hyundai and KIA. And also notable Volvo, maybe thats why they have been reluctant to sell it off.
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Old 10-03-2009, 05:55 PM   #14
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If an American car company could make a car that was just as good as what the Asians and Europeans can make then im sure most Americans would support them, they have known for the last 10 years that there products are not as well made, designed or refined and did nothing, they had there chance and Failed. if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen, i personaly would pay a little more for a car that was American and just as good as the others, but there really isnt any
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If an American car company could make a car that was just as good as what the Asians and Europeans can make then im sure most Americans would support them, they have known for the last 10 years that there products are not as well made, designed or refined and did nothing, they had there chance and Failed. if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen, i personaly would pay a little more for a car that was American and just as good as the others, but there really isnt any
Uh, Ford makes plenty of cars that are better than many foreign cars. The Fusion and new Taurus come to mind. Not to mention trucks. They don't really make a great enthusiast car IMO but that should change with the new 5.0 Mustang.
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I'd just like to see more makers transplant their plants to the US and success of pretty much all manufacturers. The US needs manufacturing... I don't care where the "home office" is.
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Ferrari +52.4
Maserati -34.7
Bently -29.6
Rolls Royce +36.8
Marbach -28.6
Positive signs in the uber high end. I guess the economy is recovering. Hopefully benefits will starting trickling down to us serfs shortly...
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Positive signs in the uber high end. I guess the economy is recovering. Hopefully benefits will starting trickling down to us serfs shortly...
Ah yeah but you have to remember those cars have to be pre ordered sometimes a couple years in advance. For those high end, selling 10 one september and 12 the next can look impressive as a percentage, but when you break it down its just normal buisness.
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Luxury auto brands like Cadillac, BMW and Bentley have long touted power, sexy styling and exclusivity to attract well-to-do consumer.But that's not enough these days.
The depths of the recent recession, a backlash against conspicuous consumption and cutbacks in leasing offers have taken a bite out of the conventional wisdom that luxury brands are resistant to financial downturns.


The proof isn't just in the nearly 32% dip in luxury auto sales, which is worse than industry-wide declines. Luxury brands now are offering incentives that rival those on pickups and SUVs and using new marketing approaches that focus on fuel efficiency.


Take Porsche, whose models start at $46,000 and top $130,000. Its average incentives, which include cash-back rebates and other deals, were $4,412 through August, according to estimates from Autodata Corp. That's up 657% from the same period last year.


Bentley, meanwhile, is offering 0.9% financing on the Bentley Continental GT luxury coupe, which starts at about $180,000, said Edmunds.com auto analyst Jessica Caldwell.


"I've seen low APRs before, but 0.9% for Bentley -- that's more like what Chevy offers," Caldwell said.


In a recent ad, BMW, which usually shows its powerful, nimble cars in action, instead notes that its diesel sedan is the most fuel-efficient in its class.


Observed veteran auto expert Joe Phillippi: "Frugal is the new black."

Luxury automakers try to woo reluctant buyers


While shopping at the Suburban Collection in Troy on Thursday night, Ted Stephens, 49, said he was so shocked by higher lease rates that he might let the lease on his Cadillac CTS luxury sedan expire and drive his daughter's 2005 Ford Escape crossover until the market improves.

"The prices ... are a lot higher," Stephens, a Troy resident, said. "I've got a three-year lease expiring, and they want $200 more for the same car."

Melissa Markey of Farmington Hills, who test-drove a new CTS on Thursday at Suburban Collection, made a similar observation. She's now considering buying a CTS instead.

You used to be able to get really good lease payments and now -- everything I've checked -- the lease price is really close to the purchase price," she said.A retrenchment of once-generous leasing terms is just one factor taking a bite out of luxury auto sales nationwide. Other contributors include the collapse of the housing market and investment portfolios, fears about job security and a general backlash against conspicuous consumption.

For more than a year now, sales of nearly every luxury auto brand have been walloped just as badly -- and in many cases worse -- than the overall industry, causing automakers to scramble to boost incentives and shift marketing strategies.

Through August, sales of luxury vehicles declined 31.8% compared with a total industry sales decline of 27.9%.

While many experts forecast some rebound in the luxury market, as better leasing terms begin creeping back and the long recession begins to fade, challenging conditions remain and nearly all automakers are suffering.

Through August, sales declined 56.9% for Bentley, 47.3% for Cadillac, 30.1% for Lexus, 29.2% for Lincoln, 25.3% for Mercedes-Benz and 24% for Ferrari.

"We've seen everything from Ferrari to Cadillac all getting hurt," said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research.

David Butler, general manager of Troy-based Suburban Collection, observed, "It's almost like the entire market is looking to reduce their monthly vehicle commitment."

The sales declines have continued despite some of the deepest discounts on luxury vehicles in recent memory.

For the first eight months of the year, the average incentive offered to consumers was $5,836 at Jaguar, $5,258 at Mercedes, $4,917 at BMW and $4,412 at Porsche, according to estimates from Autodata Corp. By contrast, domestic automakers, which often are criticized for their high, profit-sapping incentives, offered an average incentive of $3,415 during the same period.

Eco-friendly luxury


While power and performance are the typical hallmarks of luxury vehicles, fuel efficiency is emerging as a new hook with which to woo luxury customers.
BMW, long known for its "Ultimate Driving Machine" slogan and powerful, nimble cars, began offering a $4,500 eco-credit in August toward the purchase of a its diesel sedan and SUV. In the advertisement, BMW brags about its fuel efficiency more than performance.

BMW spokesman David Buchko said the company is "finding ways to offer vehicles that are more efficient ... but still very much fulfill that promise of ultimate driving machines."

At Meade Lexus of Lakeside in Utica, where sales are down about 30% this year, sales manager Gary Brinin said the new Lexus HS 250h hybrid has been generating a lot of interest.

"Right now, it's not a volume car, but Lexus anticipates it will be," Brinin said.

Meanwhile, Porsche plans to introduce a hybrid version of its Porsche Cayenne SUV next year.

"A customer doesn't want to be blamed for driving a Porsche," Michael Leiters, program manager for the hybrid Cayenne, said during an interview on Autoline Detroit on Sept. 13. "He wants to be proud to drive a Porsche."

Inevitable comeback


Despite the setback in luxury sales, dealers and other experts said consumers still will want to move into high-end brands as the economy begins to improve and they begin feeling less anxious.

"Eventually, the people are going to want to get back into their luxury vehicles. They are just not feeling very good right now," Butler said.

Some dealers told the Free Press they already are reporting an increase in traffic, and CNW's Spinella said that a luxury rebound is well on its way.

In August, 8.5% of people making over $200,000 per year said they would consider buying a luxury vehicle sometime in the next six months. That's up from 3.5% last September.

Lamborghini SpA Chief Executive Officer Stephan Winkelmann, however, remains cautious.

"The high-end luxury market is part of the total luxury market, and I don't see any increases in 2009," Winkelmann told the Associated Press last week at the Frankfurt Motor Show. "The luxury market is coming back ... but it will be slow."
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Old 10-04-2009, 10:45 AM   #20
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It was bad for a majority but, WOW look at Hyundai and KIA. And also notable Volvo, maybe thats why they have been reluctant to sell it off.
Wow, I just noticed this. I know that everyone is hurting but I've seen nothing as to why Honda is down so much. We know ToMoCo is reeling and Toyoda is trying to turn things around What's Honda doing?
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I was being somewhat rhetorical... it actually looks really bad when you line em up like that.
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Man those acuras look terrible. That ZDX might as well not even have windows on the rear door. The Pilot looks like a childs toy in 1:1 scale and I dont even have to point out whats wrong with the crosstour. Maybe they will take notice of Toyotas actions and wake up before its too late.
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I wonder how much development $$$ was WASTED on the Crosstour & new Acura crossover SUV's that coulda been put into the Insight or bringing the CR-Z to market sooner. Same thing for the new 4runner and Landcruiser on Toyota's side but we have an overweight Scion Xb and an aged Scion TC, but no iQ (ironically enough) yet. How do you justify the potential $5k profit on each suv when the market for them has nose dived and you just lost $5 Billion in revenue??

Their answer "oh we've already paid for the R&D, and production facilities for the new models so we can't turn the ship around". Which is bad when whats on the horizon is..

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Holy crap! Massive fail right there.

GM and Chrysler indeed need to both , and should have been allowed to in the first place.
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