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Old 10-11-2009, 07:26 AM   #26
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I don't get all the hate for this. Anti-tint laws are pure BS and this will make cars safer and nicer to drive at a minimal cost.
I don't disagree with the premise, but I think I'm with the automakers in preferring this:

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Major automakers, led by the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and Association of International Automobile Manufacturers, argued for a different standard that would "absorb" rather than "reflect" energy and wouldn't risk wireless signals.

"It achieves about 85 percent of the benefit at about 10 percent of the cost, and it doesn't have any of the complications of reflective glazings," said the alliance's Steve Douglas. He said the standard would lead to "more dropped calls." Sunroofs would have to be "effectively black. So there's no light coming through that."
Reduced cost and less complications... what da problem is? California's hippie legislative impact on the car is continuously getting more and more draconian.
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:48 AM   #27
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Automakers always cry foul and that the costs are too high. By the time they put them into production it has become significantly cheaper and they add another line of positive marketing to the options list.

How many automakers still bragged about their car having airbags after 1996? Most of them.

How many automakers said they were too expensive to put in every model prior to 1996? Most of them.
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Old 10-11-2009, 09:12 AM   #28
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Major automakers, led by the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and Association of International Automobile Manufacturers, argued for a different standard that would "absorb" rather than "reflect" energy and wouldn't risk wireless signals.
I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean. When something absorbs energy, it gets hot. Maybe they want to use regular black tint to heat up the glass instead of the interior surfaces?
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Old 10-11-2009, 06:59 PM   #29
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cool on the inside but, it frys everybody on the street
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:27 PM   #30
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Can CARB just ****ing die already?
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:54 PM   #31
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Use a ceramic based compound and it'll do an even better job and not interfere with radio frequencies.

Of course the cost is a lot higher.
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:27 PM   #32
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**** you California...
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:24 PM   #33
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Jeep's ragtop Wrangler is something of a staple in California, whether it’s found on the rugged Rubicon Trail or prowling Venice Beach – but new “Cool Car” regulations aimed at curbing emissions and fuel use by reducing air conditioning power could spell the end of soft-top Wrangler sales in the Golden State.

The regulations put out by the California Air Resources Board will force automakers to install advanced glazing on glass designed to keep air conditioning systems from working too hard in warm weather. So strict are the regulations that they would turn glass moonroofs “effectively black” and would not allow for the flexible plastic windows used in the Wrangler. Hardtop variants of the Wrangler could be made to comply with the regulations, but those models account for comparatively small volumes in Jeep’s warmer climate markets.

“The very popular Jeep Wrangler fitted with a soft convertible top uses flexible roll-up side windows which are not capable of meeting the side window standard,” Ross Good, Chrysler’s senior manager of government relations told CARB. “Outlawing the soft top would require us to use the hard-top vehicle with the hard windows, which would add significant weight to the vehicle.”

The proposed regulations are set to begin taking affect in 2012, although there is a “roll-in” period before the strictest requirements arrive in 2016. Beginning in just two model years, vehicle windows would need to be capable of preventing 45 percent of the sun’s energy from entering the cabin. That requirement would jump to 60 percent by 2016.
Although the regulations have not been finalized, CARB hopes to publish its completed regulation by the end of this month. The public will be given a 15 day comment period before the final laws are set by next May.

The glazing also affects signals from GPS and cell phone devices, according to Garmin International, the California Manufacturers and Technology Association and the International Bridge, Tunnel & Turnpike Association. The groups submitted a letter that warns that “more time was needed to assess the impact” and that ankle bracelets – used on parolees, cell phones, laptops and GPS devices “may be adversely affected by the metallic reflective standard.”

CARB is adamant about the benefits of the new standard despite the costs added to vehicles, which the board says would be recuperated in five to 12 years of normal driving.
“This is a common sense and cost-effective measure that will help cool the cars we drive and fight global warning,” said Mary Nichols, CARB chairwoman
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:31 PM   #34
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Not a big deal really. Sell it with the hard top and offer the soft top as an accessory. They know the regulations are going to happen, they should spend their time figuring out how to work with them instead of whining.
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:45 PM   #35
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The state of CA is on fire sending tremendous plumes of pollution over the northern hemisphere and they want better ac in cars??
EXCUSE vs REASON...the excuse in environmental,,,the reason is stop cell phones from use
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:02 PM   #36
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5 to 12 years to recoup the costs in gas savings...

If I presented a customer with an ROI that long, they would laugh the entire distance required to escort me back to my car.

And that assumes you live somewhere like California, where it's sunny and warm most of the time. I don't use my AC much to begin with, and I'd gladly let it work a little harder the < 10% of my time spent in the car when it's running in exchange for more solar heating in the cooler months.
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:12 PM   #37
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I took the AC out of my car. Where's my prize for going green?
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Old 10-12-2009, 04:20 PM   #38
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5 to 12 years to recoup the costs in gas savings...

If I presented a customer with an ROI that long, they would laugh the entire distance required to escort me back to my car.
The primary purpose of this is not to save people money but to reduce emissions and fossil fuel consumption. If it pays for itself during the car's life time, all the better.
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Old 10-12-2009, 08:11 PM   #39
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**** you California...

**** you back n00b....

It's California fault the environment is going to crap?

All these regs do suck though. Oh well, it's the price of living.
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Old 10-12-2009, 10:44 PM   #40
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**** you back n00b....

It's California fault the environment is going to crap?
Pristine Pacific air enters California.. horribly polluted air exits California... and negatively affects the ability of it's residents to understand simple equations such as 0+X=X


And yes.. the reason California dictates the nation's automotive pollution standards is because Los Angeles was once a self-made festering health hazard the likes of which we hadn't seen since coal was popular for heating city apartments at the dawn of the industrial revolution.





For everyone else: Here's what I'm really thinking here (and why I'm pro California auto legislation at this point)... let California make all the regulations they want. Write your congresspeople and let them know that you'd rather not follow everything they do like a bunch of lemmings. China's the big market now; Carmakers (aside from Tesla) aren't going to make or break anything by selling cars to California. Let California keep their old cars running like embargoed Cuba has had to do.

EDIT: I don't really dislike California at all. I wish our Federal DOT would grow some balls, though.

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