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Old 01-02-2011, 08:56 AM   #1
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We’ve reported several times that Ferrari‘s replacement for the 612 Scaglietti will debut at the Geneva Auto Show and that it will be an AWD hybrid, but now some official specs have reportedly leaked out.

According to a knowledgeable source on TeamSpeed, the new luxury exotic (code named 151) will be powered by a 6.3-liter V12 engine paired with the automaker’s 7-speed dual-clutch transmission, making an incredible 670-hp. Rumored to be a hybrid, it’s not clear how much (if any) of that power will be electric assist.


The leaked specs claim a 0-62 mph time of 3.7 seconds and a top speed of 208-mph.


The next 612 is also rumored to feature an unconventional rear hatch design and continue to offer seating for four.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:01 PM   #2
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Must come with a skin-tight whale penis ski suit for your girlfriend!
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Must come with a skin-tight whale penis ski suit for your girlfriend!
Only those cars sold through Russian dealerships.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:37 PM   #4
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Can't wait for this hybrid fad to end. In 1986 cars had to have digital dashboards, whether it made sense or not. In 1996 every piece of technology had to incorporate 'Multimedia' and CD-ROMs somehow, whether it made sense or not. Nowadays every car manufacturer that's not busy designing a Facebook head-up display is riding the hybrid bandwagon and throwing batteries and electric motors into their products, whether it makes sense or not.

Batteries will not make a 600+hp V12 exotic economical or green and I wish someone would let the marketing departments of high end car manufacturers (who are obviously pushing for this stuff) know that.
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Can't wait for this hybrid fad to end. In 1986 cars had to have digital dashboards, whether it made sense or not. In 1996 every piece of technology had to incorporate 'Multimedia' and CD-ROMs somehow, whether it made sense or not. Nowadays every car manufacturer that's not busy designing a Facebook head-up display is riding the hybrid bandwagon and throwing batteries and electric motors into their products, whether it makes sense or not.

Batteries will not make a 600+hp V12 exotic economical or green and I wish someone would let the marketing departments of high end car manufacturers (who are obviously pushing for this stuff) know that.
Marketing depts. know everything there is to know about their products (at least the good ones do). They also know that even if a minute percentage of people buy this car because of the hybrid badge it will undoubtedly sport, they have done their jobs.
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:28 AM   #6
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Can't wait for this hybrid fad to end. In 1986 cars had to have digital dashboards, whether it made sense or not.
Anybody here remember the Chrysler Imperial?
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Can't wait for this hybrid fad to end. In 1986 cars had to have digital dashboards, whether it made sense or not. In 1996 every piece of technology had to incorporate 'Multimedia' and CD-ROMs somehow, whether it made sense or not. Nowadays every car manufacturer that's not busy designing a Facebook head-up display is riding the hybrid bandwagon and throwing batteries and electric motors into their products, whether it makes sense or not.

Batteries will not make a 600+hp V12 exotic economical or green and I wish someone would let the marketing departments of high end car manufacturers (who are obviously pushing for this stuff) know that.
Actually, I think performance hybrids might be great.

Think KERS rather than prius..
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Actually, I think performance hybrids might be great.

Think KERS rather than prius..
Thing is, F1 teams get to take out ballast when they install KERS, so it doesn't add any weight to the car. That's not the case for road cars.

The systems used in F1 weigh ~80 lb and contribute 80 hp for 6.6 secs. Design a similar system for a road car and you'd probably looking at 3-4 times that weight, mainly because you can't handcraft them from unobtainium, and because the components have to survive 10-15 years, not just 2 hours.

If you install a hybrid system with a power to weight ratio of 1 hp / 3-4 lb in a performance car that starts out with a ptwr of 1 hp / 5-6 lb, that means the majority of the extra power will go towards offsetting the weight of the hybrid system, and that's before you're enlarged the brakes/wheels to cope with the extra power/weight or fiddled with the crash structure to accomodate the added mass.

From a performance standpoint, I don't think there's anything to be gained with current hybrid technology, at least not in cars that have a good power to weight ratio to begin with, and what good is a temporary 10% power boost if it comes with a permanent 10% weight gain.
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Thing is, F1 teams get to take out ballast when they install KERS, so it doesn't add any weight to the car. That's not the case for road cars.
You're forgetting that you're gaining energy that would otherwise go to create heat in the brakes.
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I don't think that's much of a factor. KERS is limited to 400kJ per lap while the engines put out something like 20,000-30,000 kJ, so the brakes still need to do most of the heavy lifting, and it's a zero sum game, because the 400kJ that were captured will also be released a mile later.
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I don't think that's much of a factor. KERS is limited to 400kJ per lap while the engines put out something like 20,000-30,000 kJ, so the brakes still need to do most of the heavy lifting, and it's a zero sum game, because the 400kJ that were captured will also be released a mile later.
It's _not_ a zero-sum game, like I said, because it's recovered/regenerated energy.
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this is nothing but the typical air head marketing people saying "hey lets make it a hybrid so that these guys who don't care about gas get 9mpg instead of 8mpg out of the inmensly huge v12. It's going to sound pretty in the package"

I hope its that little gizmo in F1 cars that gives you 85 hp by pushing a button like NOS!

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It's _not_ a zero-sum game, like I said, because it's recovered/regenerated energy.
Maybe we're talking about different things. In terms of brake wear/weight it's basically a zero sum game (looking at the performance aspect here), because the brakes don't really care whether they need to absorb energy that comes from the fuel tank or energy that was recovered.

From a fuel consumption standpoint it helps a bit that KERS recovers braking energy, but it only contributes like 1-2% or less of the total energy required for a lap.
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Maybe we're talking about different things. In terms of brake wear/weight it's basically a zero sum game (looking at the performance aspect here), because the brakes don't really care whether they need to absorb energy that comes from the fuel tank or energy that was recovered.

From a fuel consumption standpoint it helps a bit that KERS recovers braking energy, but it only contributes like 1-2% or less of the total energy required for a lap.
The KERS in an F1 car has a lot more power than just 6.6 seconds, it's just limited to that amount for each lap due to regulations.

OR maybe it isn't actually great for fuel mileage but it may be used to get around a loophope for European emission standards?

I remember seeing Jeremy Clarkson driving a Peel P50, despite having a smaller engine, he needed to pay congestion charges but the camera crew in a Lexus RX350H didn't have to because it was a hybrid.
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