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Old 10-12-2009, 01:17 PM   #1
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TThe successor to the New Beetle will arrive in 2012 with more space in the back seat and better packaging, said Stefan Jacoby, president and CEO of Volkswagen Group of America.

Speaking at a press event in Germany, he also said the next generation of the Beetle will be "more of a halo car" for the Volkswagen brand. And Jacoby said he expects the next Beetle to achieve higher sales. The current model peaked at 83,434 U.S. sales in 1999 and has plunged considerably since then.

"There is a great opportunity with the Beetle and the emotional fabric it has to offer," he said.

More space inside and better packaging are essential, Jacoby said. He said the major complaint he hears about the current car -- aside from its age--concerns the cramped rear seat.
But the redesigned Beetle will not necessarily be bigger, Jacoby said.

Few changes have been made to the current Beetle since it debuted in 1998.

Walter de' Silva, head of design for the VW Group, said the design of the next Beetle "will be a big step."

VW sold 26,477 Beetles last year in the United States. Through September, sales fell 48 percent to 11,646.


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Old 10-12-2009, 02:44 PM   #2
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Old 10-12-2009, 09:09 PM   #3
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Don't they already make this? It's called the Golf. or the Rabbit. or the GTi. or the A3.

Or you can get one with a smaller back seat called the TT.
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Old 10-13-2009, 12:13 AM   #4
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Maybe it will be less girly and more Porschesque like the previous generations.

They are developing that RR roadster so it can lead the way to a RR Beetle, too.
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Old 10-13-2009, 03:00 PM   #5
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I never understood why they did not also give a hybrid version of this car. I think it would sell well. But I also think that the hype on this car is done and it should go away and make another comeback in another 20 years or so.
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Old 10-13-2009, 03:37 PM   #6
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If VW wants the New Beetle to be a "halo car", they should make it as true to the original as possible...that means moving the engine to the back. The original Beetle is iconic, the "New Beetle" is just an unsuccessful design exercise.
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Old 10-13-2009, 03:38 PM   #7
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VW doesn't have easily accessible hybrid technology. Their specialty is diesel, and you could get a New Beetle TDI until the US emissions requirement changed in 2006.
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Old 10-14-2009, 04:07 PM   #8
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Lime green exterior with the most efficient powertrain/mpg and some good advertising would bring sales back up.

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Old 10-14-2009, 08:40 PM   #9
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If VW wants the New Beetle to be a "halo car", they should make it as true to the original as possible...that means moving the engine to the back. The original Beetle is iconic, the "New Beetle" is just an unsuccessful design exercise.
Such a unique layout would send the cost far too high. That's why I think it needs to just go away. It's been outdone by the Mini and the soon to our shores 500 (which ironically made the RR to FF change with much less fanfare. probably because those Italians are far less fussy.)
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:28 PM   #10
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Such a unique layout would send the cost far too high. That's why I think it needs to just go away. It's been outdone by the Mini and the soon to our shores 500 (which ironically made the RR to FF change with much less fanfare. probably because those Italians are far less fussy.)
I thought VW had a rear-engine platform in development for that subcompact they wanted to build
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:39 PM   #11
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Such a unique layout would send the cost far too high. That's why I think it needs to just go away. It's been outdone by the Mini and the soon to our shores 500 (which ironically made the RR to FF change with much less fanfare. probably because those Italians are far less fussy.)
no argument there, but they did use the term "halo car"...
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No kidding! I sat in one once and my head was hitting the glass. Plus there was almost no cargo space.

The Beetle was a nice gimmick but the Golf/Rabbit is a much more efficient use of the platform.
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:01 PM   #13
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Maybe it will be less girly and more Porschesque like the previous generations.

They are developing that RR roadster so it can lead the way to a RR Beetle, too.
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No kidding! I sat in one once and my head was hitting the glass. Plus there was almost no cargo space.

The Beetle was a nice gimmick but the Golf/Rabbit is a much more efficient use of the platform.
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:23 PM   #14
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I thought VW had a rear-engine platform in development for that subcompact they wanted to build
you're thinking of the Up, and i believe they reverted to a standard front engine fwd layout.
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:20 AM   #15
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[...] and the soon to our shores 500 (which ironically made the RR to FF change with much less fanfare.[...])
I had no idea the original 500 was RR.
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Old 10-16-2009, 09:07 AM   #16
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Old 10-17-2009, 06:55 PM   #17
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I had no idea the original 500 was RR.
the 600 Abarth had a permanently open rear engine cover to add cooling and aerodynamics.
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Mallrats is about to get a little less funny.

This was exactly what I thought when I saw the title.

Love that movie, especially Brodie ranting about the kid on the escalator.

FWIW, the Beetle is an excellent "mom car". My friend, who isn't terribly tall, has one with her little girl. The high center portion of the roof makes it really easy for her to slide the front seat forward, hop in the car w/ her butt against the seatback and get her child sorted in the safety seat.
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If VW wants the New Beetle to be a "halo car", they should make it as true to the original as possible...that means moving the engine to the back. The original Beetle is iconic, the "New Beetle" is just an unsuccessful design exercise.
I don't think "unsuccessful design exercise" would be what I would use to describe the New Beetle. If you don't like it, then that is fine, but there are plenty of people who have liked this car over the last 10 years or so. Personally I think the design was a great success in the US market. Remember that this was the IT car to have for millions of people here for years. Dealers could not keep them on the lot for a good amount of time. So, unsuccessful, I think not.
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This was exactly what I thought when I saw the title.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:58 AM   #21
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Such a unique layout would send the cost far too high. That's why I think it needs to just go away. It's been outdone by the Mini and the soon to our shores 500 (which ironically made the RR to FF change with much less fanfare. probably because those Italians are far less fussy.)
Rear engine is not new to the germans..
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Rear engine is not new to the germans..
no, it's not. but there is no existing platform for it in VW's lineup that can be built at this price.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:25 PM   #23
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I remember fooling around in the back seat of my beetle. It was real Fun
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:33 PM   #24
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I don't think "unsuccessful design exercise" would be what I would use to describe the New Beetle. If you don't like it, then that is fine, but there are plenty of people who have liked this car over the last 10 years or so. Personally I think the design was a great success in the US market. Remember that this was the IT car to have for millions of people here for years. Dealers could not keep them on the lot for a good amount of time. So, unsuccessful, I think not.
It's only successful if you measure success by sales and profit instead of internet car enthusiast approval. Clearly your metrics are out of whack.
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