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Old 10-15-2009, 03:12 PM   #1
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A little OT but couldn't find the OT thread:

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...9&history=news

Long press release. The gist is: HD has killed the Buell line up. You can also find a video of Erick Buell talking about it on youtube. Sad days, I didn't particularly like Buell bikes. I think HD motors are a joke to try to race with, but he certainly came up with some fantastic stuff.

MV Augusta is also being axed.
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Old 10-15-2009, 03:27 PM   #2
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I'm no big fan of Buell but MV Agusta is a storied make and both deserve better. Boo H.D.
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Old 10-15-2009, 03:29 PM   #3
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I have 2 friends that just bought XB12Rs. They are gonna be crushed, one of guys has been riding Buells since he got his license. At least HD is still backing the bikes' warranties and parts/maintenance.

Looks like this is a modern collector, scoop them up fast!
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Old 10-15-2009, 03:36 PM   #4
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A little OT but couldn't find the OT thread:

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...9&history=news

Long press release. The gist is: HD has killed the Buell line up. You can also find a video of Erick Buell talking about it on youtube. Sad days, I didn't particularly like Buell bikes. I think HD motors are a joke to try to race with, but he certainly came up with some fantastic stuff.

MV Augusta is also being axed.
Thats because the OT thread is dead!!!

This is an interesting read though.
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:58 PM   #5
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What a waste.... Buell was one of the most innovative builders out there..... radial disc brakes......oil sump in the swing arm... he might have had crap engines but thats not his fault he did the best he could and its sad to see his bikes go.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:12 PM   #6
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What a waste.... Buell was one of the most innovative builders out there..... radial disc brakes......oil sump in the swing arm... he might have had crap engines but thats not his fault he did the best he could and its sad to see his bikes go.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:23 PM   #7
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Kiwi says a ban for OT posts...Just saying fellas...

"Points will be given to any OT posts and if anybody starts another OT thread other than a MOD then you will be banned.

This is your only warning... its sad that I have to do this... but I asked you guys to play nice with the original members (if one more person says senior I will flip)

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Old 10-15-2009, 08:30 PM   #8
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Looks "on-topic" to me, especially considering that it's a thread ABOUT Buell. :P
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:36 PM   #9
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Kiwi says a ban for OT posts...Just saying fellas...

"Points will be given to any OT posts and if anybody starts another OT thread other than a MOD then you will be banned.

This is your only warning... its sad that I have to do this... but I asked you guys to play nice with the original members (if one more person says senior I will flip)

Boomer if you want to go I can ban you.... just say the word...

Don't PM me I will not listen to you..." --- Kiwi
Sad to see it having gone that way for the rest of the members. To be honest I've been around plenty long enough to be "senior" but I also don't really care if I get points. If I get banned for bringing up motor-related but not-Subaru-specific topics, I'll live. It would suck, but I'm hardly a super active AKIC member anymore; I don't think it be the end of my world
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:47 PM   #10
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This is motor related... thread approved
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:20 AM   #11
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Good ol Kiwi, I knew he'd make the adult decision

I had a feeling that Buell and MV might be destined for the axe, when HD's 2nd quarter results posted a 91.2% sales drop. I mean, that's a huge drop; and there's no way they wouldn't respond to it.

Personally I say drop the price of your bikes, they aren't technically worth it; but there in lay the appeal of an HD I suppose.
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Old 10-16-2009, 02:16 AM   #12
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I'm willing to bet Buell will be back, if not building bikes for HD than maybe his own. As for MV, thats a shame as well, the F4s were some of the coolest looking bikes I've ever seen.
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Old 10-16-2009, 04:37 PM   #13
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That sucks big time.... I recently got a chance to ride my buddies 1125R this summer and all I can say is 146hp/155lb(me) = wheelie monster.
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:03 PM   #14
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The 1125R really is quite a fantastic bike. I'm not a huge Buell fan, but I definitely respect them. I'm glad Buell got their AMA Championship win in with the 1125R before HD axed them; it will definitely give them credibility to approach new investors with, and think of what all they could do with their own motor design, or at least something other than HD motors.
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:17 PM   #15
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Had an inkling of this when they created the 2010 Buell Blast: http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes/blast/index.asp
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:56 PM   #16
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LOL, funny stuff there 07_Blu!
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Old 10-16-2009, 07:06 PM   #17
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Yeah, I was hoping it was a good sign though that Buell was going to kick it up a notch so to speak; sadly guess not.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:38 PM   #18
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So there's a lot of rumors circulating that Yamaha has approached Erik Buell.

Personally I think it would be fantastic. Yamaha is a leader in motorcycle innovation, hell their original R1 engine valvetrain was copied and modified by Ferrari. Combine that with Buell's innovative engineering, and it could be something great.

Though to be clear, I'd only be interested in a Buell at that point if they monetarily supported Buell and provided him the means to develop and tool his own motors. If they just stick a Yamaha motor in there I'd rather just buy a Yamaha.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:52 PM   #19
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Buell chose to go away from the Harley motors before they built the 1125R. It uses a Rotax built motor like my beloved RSV Aprilia's. Bulletproof motors.

A real shame about their demise. I am certain some smart well heeled shopper will come through for them. Erik has some interesting ideas for certain. I have read plenty from owners that would make me avoid them though. I have ridden a couple of the older ones and they were rattle traps.

Their AMA championship this season was a farce, written in the rules basically. Out there competing on a big (nearly 1200cc) twin against basically stock 600cc inline 4's. Once the weight penalties got evened out a bit, the 600's began winning again.

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Old 10-19-2009, 10:02 PM   #20
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I agree, it was a very 'technical' win for them, but it was still a competitive race in a lot of ways. The Rotax motors are great, and the only reason why their 1125 is any good. I've ridden some older Buells briefly and while I can't claim to have an expert opinion on them: lets just say I definitely wouldn't bother.

To me, though, the weak spot for Buell has always been the HD motors they ran. I'll be honest, I'm just not a fan of V-Twins in sportbikes.

Part of the reason why I wouldn't own a Ducati, even though their V-Twin's are significantly better. It forms a major reason why I wouldn't own a Buell.

Between having a motor I don't like in that form of bike, plus a Harley based motor at that (save the Rotax motor) I just am not terribly interested.

I kind of doubt that any actual deal is underway, but its possible. I just don't see HD letting go of Buell unless they can get an inflated amount out of the name.
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:56 PM   #21
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I'll be honest, I'm just not a fan of V-Twins in sportbikes.
I could remedy that REAL DAMN quick!
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:29 AM   #22
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Haha what bike? I've yet to ride a V-Twin (including a couple newer Ducatis) that gave me the satisfied me the same as an I4, due to a combination of fitment and differences in power output styles.

To me, the big broad torque curve that V-Twins boast, the same one a lot of people like to say make it very controllable power, doesn't feel nearly as comfortable, or smoothly responsive, as running the upper rpm range of an I4. The extra corner-exit power is very awesome, and the quick throttle response is great; but after years of working with 4 cylinder motors of various kinds I just feel more comfortable with that type of response and power curve.

While I'm certainly newer to motorcycles, I've clocked a lot of time and miles per season to make up for it; making sure to take and ask for every opportunity to ride and flog something different (schedule allowing) and put thousands upon thousands of miles on my own ride. In that sense I just feel supremely confident with a I4. It's smooth, puts out just as much torque, or close to, as a V-Twin at high revs, and that power is far more controllable to me. Getting on a higher power V-Twin to me just upsets my sense of control, which is never comfortable and doesn't lend itself to fast riding as much, and I tend to spend more time trying to adjust for the torque output and trying not to be at redline all the time than getting clean lines in. That would come with time, of course, but since I just don't feel comfortable on them, it probably won't happen.

The other big thing is V-Twins, to me, are less comfortable riding position wise. Since that front jug is pretty far out, even with modern chassis design, it pushes the radiator out, which in turn pushes the rake out, and to me, gives a kind of stretched feeling. It's very minor I'm sure in terms of actual dimensions, but it's enough to feel vastly different. Again, as I'm sure you're more than experienced in, if you don't fit a bike, you're never going to really communicate with it.

I've yet to ride the V-Twin sportbike that felt like I fit it well. I do love the narrowness of the chassis though. Nice quick transitions with that. I'm sure part of my not fitting is that I'm not some scrawny Italian guy :P
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An Aprilia is light years away from a Ducati or Buell...or even one of the Japanese twins. The motor makes blinding power up over 10K rpms, but also pulls forcefully from the crack of the throttle.

The chassis=rock solid, the suspension communicates each ripple without stressing the rider, the handling is telepathic.

I've ridden $20K + Ducati's and most of the big Jap liter bikes since the late 80's. Nothing was as immediately familiar, confidence inspiring or as capable as my Tuono. It has the same chassis as the Mille, just different handlebars and less body work.

Certainly, the fit of a bike is paramount. And nothing can overcome a lack of seat time on a particular bike. I have owned lots of bikes over the years. Spending years on one specific bike can color your outlook in a certain shade, for sure. Variety is the spice of life....you can never be sure you are on "the bike" until you try them all.

To each his own but do not knock it until you've tried it. You may just find a whole new frontier.

We'll see how it works out for you next spring.
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:15 AM   #25
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Rode an 999R, I imagine it's fairly similar, and still felt uncomfortable to me even after about an hour of riding. The reality is until I can own one, or put enough daily seat time on one, I'm just not gonna be sold on a V-Twin sport bike.

Edit >> I knew it was wrong as I typed it but couldn't remember why; so I texted my buddy who let me ride his Duc and it was a 2006 999R, not an 1198

And Mike definitely not knocking V-Twin sportbikes, just stating that they haven't "turned me on" so to speak yet, and admitting I haven't put enough definitive seat time in them to feel what the hardcore V-Twin guys are always talking about. They were definitely fun, but didn't just leap out at me and leave the impression that they were naturally superior.

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