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Old 10-19-2009, 03:46 AM   #1
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The next-generation Mitsubishi Lancer Evo could use a plug-in hybrid system that is being shown at this week's Tokyo motor show, sources have told Autocar.

The plug-in technology is being showcased on the Mitsubishi PX-MiEV concept, and if applied to the Evo XI would dra
On the face of it, this concept is an upscale Outlander-based SUV designed to showcase the layout of Mitsubishiís new plug-in hybrid system.

With the PX-MiEV, front and rear wheels are powered by two 81bhp permanent magnet synchronous motors. Thereís also a 1.6-litre MIVEC petrol engine which not only drives the front wheels but also serves as a generator.

However, the system is configured around Mitsubishiís Evo-style S-AWC handling control system, and automatically switches between different drive modes depending on driving style and remaining power in the lithium ion battery pack.
Itís a highly sophisticated switchable system that borrows i-MiEV electric car tech for the back wheels but uses a new parallel-type hybrid system for the fronts. It also delivers over 140mpg economy, Mitsubishi says.

Mitsubishi hopes to have it on the market by 2013, but company insiders say the technology could be directed at the new Evo.

At present, development work on the next Evo has effectively stalled, according to a source familiar with the programme, which explains why there has been no serious tweaking of the Evo X in Japan since its launch in 2007.
Instead, it is the Brits, with the outrageous FQ-series Lancer Evos that currently lead the Evo pack.

The PX-MiEV concept also suggests the way a more premium, Outlander-based SUV could go.

It has only two rows of seats and a high-grade interior and could conceivably be turned into a kind of Mitsubishi X5 rival, if management gives the green light.
matically alter its make-up.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:08 AM   #2
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I hope this doesn't make the next evo heavier. It's already a pretty fat car as it sits currently
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:30 AM   #3
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I hate parallel hybrid tech. Give me serial hybrid and this would be my next car. That is what I want a serial hybrid performance plug in.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:06 AM   #4
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hybrid is stupid and shouldn't be in fun cars.
the added weight takes the fun away.
besides nobody buys fast cars to save gas!
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:03 AM   #5
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I hate parallel hybrid tech. Give me serial hybrid and this would be my next car. That is what I want a serial hybrid performance plug in.
I agree. Have the vehicle completely propelled by electric motor and the engine is just a range extending generator. This would add too much weight for a sports car, but is a much better concept for everyday driving.

Tesla got it right (battery only) and Volt got it right too, though as long as I can get 100-150 miles/charge, I don't mind plugging in my car everynight just like my cell phone. I will just drive a regular internal combustion engine vehicle for road trips.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:16 AM   #6
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It depends on the definition of "sports" car. You could drop the transmission and put in an electric motor + ICE + super cap and not even have a battery. The weight should be similar, the performance (at lower speeds <110mph) would actually be superior to many "sports" cars that people drive now. The question is how much battery you want to add b/c that makes the weight go up and the gas use go down. Just making it into a serial hybrid would gain a smaller amount of efficiency w/o a detriment to performance (b/c you could get the regen brake energy back), but the gas savings would be small in comparison to a big battery. It will be very interesting to see what sorts of cars begin to be produced. When the Fisker Karma and volt finally see the light of day then people will be able to get a better idea of the efficiency of a serial hybrid style drivetrain in something besides a locomotive, or ship both of which are almost exclusively serial hybrids with no battery storage. The smallest vehicle getting that treatment now is a bus.

Also are they ever going to get a transmission that can handle electric motor torque? If Tesla had a 2 speed then their top speed would go way up which some people would like. Then you are adding weight again though.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:04 PM   #7
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They brought up this tech in 2004/2005 on the Eclipse concept car, and have been sitting on it until now due to lack of hybrid interest.

I doubt it'd go on the Evo, but perhaps a 'Lancer Rally-E"
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:55 PM   #8
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hybrid is stupid and shouldn't be in fun cars.
the added weight takes the fun away.
besides nobody buys fast cars to save gas!
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If you don't think there's a market for fast cars that don't chug gas like a fat kid noms ice cream, you're highly uneducated about today's automotive market realities.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:34 PM   #9
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This just in: Evo XI cracks the 4,000lb. sedan mark!
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:49 PM   #10
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If you don't think there's a market for fast cars that don't chug gas like a fat kid noms ice cream, you're highly uneducated about today's automotive market realities.
I dont know where you get your information... It would seem like in todays market even sports car drivers would be more interested in getting good fuel economy, but the statistics prove otherwise. 95% of all sports car buyers in the 4th quarter of last year were far less concerned with fuel economy than with performance, exterior and interior styling, and reliability. That isnt to say that these same buyers wouldnt have gone for an efficient sports car were it available, but as there isnt anything on the market like that, there are no studies to prove it. Assuming you are more educated about market strategies than "boxerinside" because you have more eloquent language just proves your arrogance.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:04 PM   #11
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Imagine launching the car with the electric motors fully charged & the gas motor. . .

Those headlights are spectacular. I hope that mitsu puts something similar on a production vehicle.

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Old 10-19-2009, 03:09 PM   #12
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This just in: Evo XI cracks the 4,000lb. sedan mark!

agreed...

i dont think this will happen...but who knows.

whats wrong with having all of a certain companies line up being hybrid or electric and leaving the sports cars gas?
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:19 PM   #13
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it will definitely not happen.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:19 PM   #14
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whats wrong with having all of a certain companies line up being hybrid or electric and leaving the sports cars gas?
Because technology is a prime differentiator in sports cars. The moment a competitor outperforms you in price*performance with a hybrid or EV, your dino-burning dinosaur is obselete.

Electric drive is going to be able to do amazing things with torque-vectoring that Mitsubushi has barely scratched the surface of with their AYC system.

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Old 10-20-2009, 04:25 AM   #15
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Because technology is a prime differentiator in sports cars. The moment a competitor outperforms you in price*performance with a hybrid or EV, your dino-burning dinosaur is obselete.

Electric drive is going to be able to do amazing things with torque-vectoring that Mitsubushi has barely scratched the surface of with their AYC system.
This. It's a ways out still...but yeah. The future is exciting.
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Old 10-20-2009, 07:19 AM   #16
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Electric drive is going to be able to do amazing things with torque-vectoring that Mitsubushi has barely scratched the surface of with their AYC system.
Exactly. That is why I want only electric motors powering the wheels. I want 4 motors please one for each wheel and let the computer spin them all at the right rate in a turn. If such a car ever comes out it will be so incredibly fun to drive.
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Default 2013 EVO XI rumored to go hybrid

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...rid/index.html

Electric motor to power front wheels according to Motor Trend. Electric motor to be upgraded version of that found on the Mitsubishi i-MiEV. 0-60 targeted to be about 4.5 seconds. Depending on how it's tuned, could have a combined 350 hp.

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Old 01-18-2010, 10:47 AM   #18
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stupid hybrids!
now the damn thing its going to weight 4,000lbs
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Cue the hate!



Oops, too slow.
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body looks good, but i doubt it will stay that way into production
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:32 AM   #22
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wow... how do you tune an electric motor? and that sketch is horrible.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:34 AM   #23
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hybrid sports cars never seem to work that great.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:42 AM   #24
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Sports cars will never be fast enough with a hybrid motor until they create a cold fusion reactor to power them, once that happens it may be light enough and produce enough power. (Tesla Roadster aside, it's not worth the sticker price to me.) And we all know how well the cold fusion thing is coming along.
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^ cold fusion might work, but I would say the flux capacitor is a better option
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