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Old 10-21-2009, 02:40 PM   #1
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Mazda wants to make sportier cars and a new RX-7 is on the drawing board, the company's new design boss has revealed to Autocar.

Speaking on the eve of tomorrow's Tokyo motor show, Ikuo Maeda told Autocar that he has done sketches of an RX7 replacement and is keen to push through a new two-seater sports car.

"We really want to have an RX-7 and if the market allows us to build it we will have it ready," he said.

Maeda gave strong hints that he is currently pursuading other senior Mazda bosses to give the new sports car the green light.

Maeda also revealed that a new RX-7 would be a two-seater and would likely be powered by a rotary engine, like all of its predecessors.

Maeda also wants to rejuvinate the entire Mazda line-up, and is focusing on attracting "enthusiastic" customers and pushing the brand upmarket by addressing the quality of the company's interiors.

The first fruits of the Maeda's thinking is likely to be seen in a concept car shown next year.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:41 PM   #2
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According to Mazda’s head of research and development, Seita Kanai, Mazda is studying diesel engines for the U.S. market. Kanai said that Mazda is currently testing diesel prototypes on U.S. soil but Mazda would need a minimum annual volume of 10,000 U.S. sales to make a profitable retail case, reports Automotive News.

“As an engineer, ideally I would want to introduce diesels, but I am not sure if it makes a business case,” Kanai said. He did not say which diesel models Mazda is testing.

None of Mazda’s existing diesel models are mated to an automatic transmission, something that is seen as necessary for the U.S. market.

At the 2009 Tokyo Motor Show, Mazda unveiled its new SKY-D clean diesel engine that incorporates piezo injectors, a two-stage turbocharger and other technologies to get 20 percent better fuel-economy than the current Mazda 2.2L diesel. It allows Mazda2 like fuel-economy in a vehicle the size of the Mazda6.

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Old 10-21-2009, 02:41 PM   #3
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They'll certainly need something to keep up with the Toyobaru FT-86 thingy.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:45 PM   #4
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The company who's tag line is 'Zoom Zoom' want's to make sportier cars...go figure.
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:09 PM   #5
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As a former RX-7 owner, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Mazda bring back the real, 2-seat, no excuses rotary vehicle. I tried to love the RX-8, I really, really tried.........but all show and no go (though it does change direction magically) just does not cut it.
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:35 PM   #6
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TOKYO -- The next-generation rotary engine from Mazda, unveiled at the 2007 Tokyo show under the code-name “16X,” does not meet sufficient performance and fuel economy guidelines the automaker requires for a production model.

Seita Kanai, Mazda Motor head of R&D, said work continues to be done to improve the rotary’s thirsty nature.
“The 16X demonstrated the possibility, but that performance is not good enough. We are doing r&d which will incorporate more new technology,” Kanai said.

The code name refers to the increase in the current engine’s displacement, from the current 1.3 liters to 1.6 liters. The 16X was to be finished in time for the next-generation RX-8 sports car, to be launched in 2012 or so.

When unveiled in 2007, the 16X enlarged the elliptical shape of the combustion chamber, and enlarged the rotor’s eccentric center stroke. Mazda also planned direct injection fuel delivery in a rotary engine for the first time. However, Mazda also noted that the changed shape would affect the combustion process of the air-fuel mixture.

Kanai declined to say whether it’s back to the drawing board for the 16X.

“The 16X is more a profile of a rotary still in our concept stage,” Kanai said. “It needs more evolution.”
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:36 PM   #7
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yeah the super unreliable rotary Engine... I'll pass.
my friend bought and Rx7 that gets the same MPG as an 18 wheeler and its all stock plus it spends its life in the shop.
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:40 PM   #8
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do it without the rotary and I'm in...
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:44 PM   #9
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As a former RX-7 owner, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Mazda bring back the real, 2-seat, no excuses rotary vehicle. I tried to love the RX-8, I really, really tried.........but all show and no go (though it does change direction magically) just does not cut it.
Except that the RX7 was a 2+2 really (in most markets) ...
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:33 PM   #10
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Except that the RX7 was a 2+2 really (in most markets) ...
Shhh...don't muddy this debate with FACTS. How dare you?!

P.S. That's horrible news about the 16X set back. Bummer...
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Old 10-21-2009, 05:01 PM   #11
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As a former RX-7 owner, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Mazda bring back the real, 2-seat, no excuses rotary vehicle. I tried to love the RX-8, I really, really tried.........but all show and no go (though it does change direction magically) just does not cut it.
Also a former RX-7 owner (modded 3rd gen), I too really like the look of the RX-8. I also liked that it could fit 4 adults much more comfortably than pretty much any other coupe. I would only consider the new RX-7 if it came with force induction of some sort.

Though the RX-8 can be a track star in the right hands, most consumers just want to be a red light star or enough power to easily pass the grandma camping out in the left lane.

Good mileage would be nice, but you should know not to expect it in a sportscar. Tesla is always a choice for those that are more eco-minded.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:05 PM   #12
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Mazda destroyed whatever credibility the Rotary had with the POS Renesis.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:53 PM   #13
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rx7 with ms3 engine and rwd? i'd be down.
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Old 10-21-2009, 07:46 PM   #14
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A modernized FD would be on my shortlist. That car still looks fantastic.

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Old 10-21-2009, 07:57 PM   #15
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That's horrible news about the 16X set back. Bummer...
Gotta agree. If the 16X was what they were saying it was (20% in hp/torque and better mileage) then I would take it in a RX8 until the next RX7 comes out. Too bad that isn't the case.
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:05 PM   #16
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rx7 with ms3 engine and rwd? i'd be down.
I'm with you.
A lightweight RX7 with that kind of power would be a blast.
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:08 PM   #17
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rx7 with ms3 engine and rwd? i'd be down.
not a bad idea...
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:24 PM   #18
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Mazdaspeed MX5?
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:42 PM   #19
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An "RX" without a rotary would not be an "RX". A rear wheel drive sports car with the MS3 power plant would be great, but it should not have RX in it's badge.
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Good mileage would be nice, but you should know not to expect it in a sportscar. Tesla is always a choice for those that are more eco-minded.
ppl arent asking for "good" mileage but "reasonable" mileage. the rx7/8's gas mileage sucks even compared to american muscles with big v8s... go figure.
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Not saying that a slow Miata is not fun to drive, but build a fast one too...
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:23 PM   #22
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Gotta agree. If the 16X was what they were saying it was (20% in hp/torque and better mileage) then I would take it in a RX8 until the next RX7 comes out. Too bad that isn't the case.
Looks like it's back to the proverbial "drawing board"...



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Old 10-22-2009, 12:21 AM   #23
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ppl arent asking for "good" mileage but "reasonable" mileage. the rx7/8's gas mileage sucks even compared to american muscles with big v8s... go figure.
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i owned a RX-8. i got about 21 mpg on it overall. not great given that it takes premium. (i got 9 mpg at a track day ) however, this is hardly "worse than an 18 wheeler" / <insertrandomhyperbolehere>.

and, with regard to reliability, it was much better than my WRX… i had a total of one problem with it, flooding, and mazda took care of the tow and gave me a reflash, a new catalytic converter, a new battery, and a new starter gratis for my troubles.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:34 AM   #24
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I average around 21mpg with mine in mixed driving and between 25-26mpg on the highway. I've also only had one issue with mine - sun visors that split along the seam. Mazda replaced both the driver's and passenger's side and I've had zero issues with the car since.

If the current RX-8 ends up being the last hurrah for the rotary for a number of years, I'll definitely sell my car and upgrade to a R3. It just speaks dirty thoughts to me incessantly...
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