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Old 10-30-2009, 01:06 PM   #1
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Repost from Built Motor Forum as I thought PPB would like it as well.

Antilag information with video of it in operation.

Build Details (It's my backup block actually). Darton sleeved open deck 2.5L with Wiseco piston, Helix rods (super cheap!), Cobb Tuner crank (was not cheap), ACL Race bearings, STi heads with stock sized Supertech black nitride intake and inconel exhaust valves, Kelford 272 intake, 264 exhaust cams. DW1100 injectors, 044 fuel pump, GT35R Turbo, Oil dry sump. Engine is making 465 WHP, 430 TQ at 22 psi and E85.

The Autronic EM controls the Antilag but you still need some way of either opening the throttle or bypassing the throttle when ALS is enabled. I went the bypass route and connected two dash 12 hoses under the throttle.



The other side of the hoses connect to solenoids that are activated by the Autronic. Its not perfect but the IAC on it's own does not generate enough bypass air.



With ALS enabled the car will make about +1 psi at high idle (3200) and 7 psi between 4000 and 5000 with just free rev'ing. The ALS still needs some more tuning, that and I still need to install either a vac assist brake unit bypass or the electric vac pump that I have sitting in my garage.

The off to on throttle transition needs some work as well as the retarded ignition used for the ALS makes the car a little jittery going back on throttle. I just need to get back on the track (in 2010) and tune the transitions. Their is close to no turbo lag going from off to on throttle, it's pretty scary as the power onset is amazing.

You can reduce the bangs and pops (which is hard on the valve train) when ALS is enabled but for this video that would have been boring.

Hope you enjoy!

Video (it's shot in the dark for a reason) (~4M)
http://www.mickandsarah.com/Movies/m...-ginge-als.wmv

Same Video in a more HD format (~38M)
http://www.mickandsarah.com/Movies/m...nge-als-HD.wmv
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:12 PM   #2
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somebody call the cops, we have gunfire over here!
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:43 PM   #3
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That's awesome Mick, have you run with it on on track yet?

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Old 10-30-2009, 01:51 PM   #4
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Sounds downright evil! I too would like to know if you have used it on the track, and if so, how you find driving with it in such a setting.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:52 PM   #5
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:08 PM   #6
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:10 PM   #7
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Oh sweet jesus! I love it. I'd love to see the driving results and the lifespan of the turbo.
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:25 PM   #8
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MP4 version for MAC users

http://www.mickandsarah.com/Movies/m...ge-als-MP4.mp4


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That's awesome Mick, have you run with it on on track yet?

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I used this twice on the track at the start of the year (other engine). I exited most corners sideways in the dry, screaming like a little girl. Even without the pops/bangs the turbo onset if very quick using Antilag. This is also when I found out that if you don't get any vac you don't have any brakes due to the vac assit unit. I have a electric vac pump to resolve that, then I can use it on the track again.

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Oh sweet jesus! I love it. I'd love to see the driving results and the lifespan of the turbo.
What do you mean?? raw fuel exploding in the exhaust system maybe bad for my car It's supposed to be hardest on the valve train and turbo. The turbo compressor surge you get can't be good for the turbo as well as the heat on the exhaust side.

I don't plan on running it all the time.

I just thought their are not many cars with Antilag setups so I thought I would share.
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Old 10-30-2009, 03:19 PM   #9
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your the man mick, thank's for sharing
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Old 10-30-2009, 05:00 PM   #10
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Oh man, I would totally use the antilag in traffic and act like nothing's wrong
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Old 10-30-2009, 05:29 PM   #11
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Oh man, I would totally use the antilag in traffic and act like nothing's wrong
I'm sure it would quickly put off those annoying tailgaters who thinks it fine to be 2 foot off your bumper, while on their mobile phones, eating and reading a newspaper.
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Old 10-30-2009, 07:19 PM   #12
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Someone throw it on Youtube!
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:04 PM   #13
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:17 PM   #14
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Oh man, I would totally use the antilag in traffic and act like nothing's wrong
I can just imagine the look on an officer's face as he walks up to your window and taps it, while you are sitting there in idle with anti-lag banging away
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:21 PM   #15
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:23 PM   #16
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mick, you need to fabricate a marshmallow holder. nothing like smores cooked over c16
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:33 PM   #17
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God that is wicked!!

But can someone explain how the process works (in laymen terms). I don't understand from the pictures.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:46 PM   #18
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When it came to putting a set of good rods in your car... Why in the sam hell did you choose Helix rods for your build???
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:03 PM   #19
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When it came to putting a set of good rods in your car... Why in the sam hell did you choose Helix rods for your build???
This is my backup block, used when my main block is out of action which it is at this time due to a flywheel bolt failure. My main block is a darton sleeved closed deck 2.5L, Pauter rods, CP pistons, Cobb crank, V7 large ported heads.... blah, blah, blah.... I'm in the process of rebuilding this one.

When I rebuilt this block I needed to do it on the cheap, thus the choice of Helix no name rods, Wiseco pistons. I had the rods modified to work with this block as it's been surfaces 4 times and we had to cut the case halves and line hone to correct the main clearances. The rods were shortened so didn't want to do that to a good set of rods.

Hey, they seem to be working so far

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But can someone explain how the process works (in laymen terms). I don't understand from the pictures.
Basically you retard the ignition and cut it once in a while to shoot burning and raw fuel into the exhuast system. There is continues to combust and keep the turbo spinning.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:21 PM   #20
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So sick, but cannot be good for valvetrain and turbo.
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:33 PM   #21
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:27 PM   #23
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Sick as usual Mick. I wonder about the muffler lifespan. Looks like it is going to explode!
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Old 11-01-2009, 04:53 AM   #24
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I'm familiar with how bad anti-lag is on the turbo lifespan, but how is it bad for the valvetrain? Huge backpressure on the closed exhaust valves when the unburnt fuel explodes in the headers / turbo housing? I'm just curious because I've never seen the valvetrain mentioned with respect to an anti-lag system.

Also, I'm jealous and really want a setup like this on my car, despite not really tracking it...ever. Can't help but like the huge flames out the back
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That video was badass
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