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Old 01-29-2009, 06:48 PM   #101
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i'll go out and give some dimensions.

how illegal is that?
copyright laws much. You wont be doing it through nasioc thats for sure. so if you guys like this thread I would stray away from that idea.

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Old 01-29-2009, 07:00 PM   #102
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Actually, they're "improving" on Rally Armor's design, by using a different thickness material for weight savings - totally legal!

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Old 01-29-2009, 07:09 PM   #103
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Well, adding a little levity, I think we can all agree Rally Armor's design works well, and doesn't fail under high stress (I have a set that has made it through 3 rally cars, and a skid plate that is still going).

This thread is mostly for people who want the rally look, and might lead into real mud flap sales once they get used to the "rally fashion", but want something that doesn't "explode" under real rally-esque conditions.

I would never knock anyone for trying to do something these cars were meant for, as so few people do it already. (not saying the mods are)

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Old 01-29-2009, 07:15 PM   #104
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i'll go out and give some dimensions.

how illegal is that?
measure, then add 1mm to the dimensions when you post. the demensions you post are your own, and there is nothing wrong with that.

obviously RA mudflaps are designed for quality and real use application.

cheap ikea mudflaps are a cheaper alternative but lack the "quality for real use application"

it's perfectly fine for anybody to come up with other DIY methods.

Vince with shamwow didn't invent the shamwow. He saw these chamois at flea markets, then went to germany and bought a ton of them in bulk, labeled it as a Shamwow, and did much better marketing than the others.
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Old 01-29-2009, 08:57 PM   #105
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can't see the picts
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:54 PM   #106
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I've got no dimensions for these, but if your DIY skills are up to the task.......







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Old 01-29-2009, 10:06 PM   #107
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That's sick mang good job.... I need to do that also their's an Ikea down the road from me I'll pick some cutting boards up..... Were are those boards at what location?
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:35 PM   #108
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Since there is no assurances that the information posted (not saying anyone should), would be used for someone to make and sell them (no one can guarantee it) so I say no to posting it.

You want the rally look, get the basic set of RA and you will actually have a long lasting product.

You want to make a copy (not saying that you should), use the STi ones as I will not allow the product of a registered vendor to be used.

Pick another brand to "copy".
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:43 PM   #109
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Since there is no assurances that the information posted (not saying anyone should), would be used for someone to make and sell them (no one can guarantee it) so I say no to posting it.

To be fair, there are no assurances that a potential knock-off artist wouldn't just buy a set to copy.

Posting dimensions from a product is perfectly legal, it's selling a product which copies those dimensions which is not.

However, since this is a private forum, it's probably best to listen to the moderators or leave.
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:14 PM   #110
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^^^

I agree, registered vendors help keep this site alive.

I doubt that RA patents their flap designs (beyond their logos' copyright) simply because in all fairness a mudflap is dreadfully low-tech in terms of dimension or shape. Now material development is another story, this is where RA's experience can prevail above other run of the mill designs.

Apologies for starting a legal e-battle. Lets be honest if anyone is going to attempt this, I'm sure they're capable enough to make some guess and check measurements and trim adjustments.
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:38 PM   #111
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I have no problem with those who want to DIY, just come up with your own ideas.
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:31 AM   #112
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For those that want a pattern...



















And before the nuthangers freak its not an RA pattern. This place cracks me up these days...like the shape of a mudflap is proprietary.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:10 AM   #113
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ok well im going to do a jdm sti mudflap wright up after these but pretty much what i did was i took the dimensions for the JDM STI mudflaps and measured out those dimensions on the cutting board...
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:38 AM   #114
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And before the nuthangers freak its not an RA pattern. This place cracks me up these days...like the shape of a mudflap is proprietary.
Yeah, exactly.

We won't "copy" RA's exact dimensions. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with posting "good sized" dimensions for others to use as a base to cut their design out of.

I've already stated this, and it's commen sense, the RA flaps are a quality product and design.

the Ikea flaps are a cheap alternative that OBVIOUSLY do not carry the same quality standards as RA and aren't specifically made or designed to hold up against the elements.

There are other DIY's, like the home depot garage door front lip, which is a cheap alternative. This thread is just another DIY for those interested in "cheaper alternatives."

so let's please leave it at that and allow the thread to continue to be discussion on the actual flaps and not about copyright stuff.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:58 AM   #115
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add 1mm to the measurement and its not ra's pattern and pattent at all ty can cry all thy want but an 1mm is 1mm away from their design... plus mudflaps are mud flaps its just like a standerd way for them to look like that and take that type of pattern because we need that big outer lip for al the rock chips and such.... yu can even slap ra stickers on it from their site for ultra cheap ra's wink wink... the only thing i think ra is good for is rally but even then they somehow arnt the best theres a new model coming out that uses the same typ of design but is longer thicker and has a texturerd back so its more rigid and it also has a 2inch long solid section on either edge... heres the material demensions 24 wide 36 long 3/8ths thick

this is the part facing the wheel it will be divded into 4ths


close up of pattern wheel facing


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Old 01-30-2009, 03:02 AM   #116
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i already made a jdm sti write up.......and im not selling the sti flaps i made for a reason..copyright....so yea for all the people that have been asking me all i tell them is i can make the mudflaps but they put what they want on them.....so no copyrights are broken....i made these for me and me alone....dont need to get sued in college....so chill out wasnt gonna even think about vendor..........but yea

heres the write up....i tried posting it on nasioc but your limited to 10 pics :/

http://flat4tx.com/showthread.php?p=282#post282
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:07 AM   #117
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update on my flaps after about a month....still look brand spanking new....no bends...logo starting to come off just a little but i didnt do a great prep job anyways so i can redo that...but flaps are holding up very nicely and it even iced yesterday and they are still intact....but yea if you are rally crossing there are people saying they dont last and some say they do...i dont know if they would or not since i dont rally but on the street they last and look pretty good to me
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:25 AM   #118
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add 1mm to the measurement and its not ra's pattern and pattent at all ty can cry all thy want but an 1mm is 1mm away from their design... plus mudflaps are mud flaps its just like a standerd way for them to look like that and take that type of pattern because we need that big outer lip for al the rock chips and such.... yu can even slap ra stickers on it from their site for ultra cheap ra's wink wink... the only thing i think ra is good for is rally but even then they somehow arnt the best theres a new model coming out that uses the same typ of design but is longer thicker and has a texturerd back so its more rigid and it also has a 2inch long solid section on either edge... heres the material demensions 24 wide 36 long 3/8ths thick

this is the part facing the wheel it will be divded into 4ths


close up of pattern wheel facing


thickness
Holy isht take an english class or get Firefor with spell check or something.

But those flaps youre talking about arent "new". Theyre Semi Truck mudflaps. Good luck getting them to fit without cutting them down.
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:38 AM   #119
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yah?? i stated im cutting them in to 1/4's which turns out to be 4x 12 by 18 inch long the cut own from that that to the design above. they flex and fit perfectly i test fit it in the wheel well once i cut thm down to the 12x18 just to see if theyed even bend eough to fit the curve and they flex easy for that sligh curvator.. they are for my rally car i know they are semi truck flaps it nothing a bandsaw or jigsaw or table saw cant fix then ill just use a dremel to smooth it out... i bought them that thick because i dont want to kill my paint at all during rallys and i litterally want armor against anything that could be thrown at the paint

if your goig to rally and are paranoid about your paint these are a must they wont flex from any impact like those really thin ikea flaps but those are great for a DD flaps

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Holy isht take an english class or get Firefor with spell check or something.

But those flaps youre talking about arent "new". Theyre Semi Truck mudflaps. Good luck getting them to fit without cutting them down.

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Old 01-30-2009, 08:27 AM   #120
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Here is a write up I did for a my local forum.

This method requires no holes to be drilled in the car and no paint damaging u-nuts/j-nuts/speednuts. This is definitely incomplete picture-wise (I made these 4 years ago) but should give anyone interested good start with the template/pattern. This is based on on 02-03 cars so newer cars may be different.

Pattern for 02-03 STi mudflaps (the ridiculously expensive ones).


1. Find universal mudflaps big enough and thick enough: This will actually be the hardest part, I haven't been able to a good replacement set for my car at this point. The originals were NAPA brand "truck mudflaps" but they don't carry anything like that the last time I checked a few years back. I hit Autozone and Advance yesterday but no dice; seems like the stores in VT had a better selection. I need to hit an actual NAPA store again or find a plastic supply house. That being said, the material needs to be semi-rigid in order to hold its shape in the wind and not deform over time. The thickness also eliminates the need for the metal bracket used on some kits.


2. Make template and fit to your liking: I used paper and I would recommend this because you can see through it and it helps in locating the holes. Tape them on the car and eye them to your liking. Once you have them set where you want them trace the outline of the fender/bumper on the template and mark the holes (see fastener section for hole info). I don't really remember why traced the outline on the template but I am sure there was a good reason at the time.



When fitting/setting the rear flaps, there is a notch on inside of the wheel well that seems purpose build for holding the flap in place, so make sure if your car has this you take advantage of this built in feature. Basically, you want the inside of the flap to be flush/tight to the inside/inboard edge of the wheel well. Note that there is a cut in the rear flap that allows it to sit back farther when secured behind the aforementioned notch. If your car doesn't have this then the thickness/rigidity of the flap material will be more important. I never got far enough into producing these to research outside of 02-03 cars.


3. Trace and Cut: Trace your flaps and cut them out. I used a heavy pair of scissors and it all went pretty well. Obviously, use as many of the pre-cut edges and use the pre-cut curves as templates to get perfect curves. The cut on the rear flaps mentioned above is done pretty much by feel and use my pics as a guide. Trace the holes and drill pilot holes for fastening.

4. Fasteners are simple: Believe it or not, my mudflaps have been on for 4 Vermont winters/mud seasons (plus this joke of a winter in Albany) held on only by black anodized stainless self taping screws and nylon expanding nuts (license plate nuts). Finding the right sizes takes some work but a Dremel can be used to grind them down some to fit the holes. The front holes are smaller and harder to find the right size.

What real winter looks like...

On the rear there are two holes in the bumper cover used for fastening. Pop the nylon nuts in holes, place the flap and screw in your screws.


In the front there are three of those crappy expanding plastic screw fasteners that hold on the side skirt and trim that are removed. Pull the trim and skirt down/out pop the nylon expanding nuts into the holes (may need to grind them down to fit). Push the trim/skirt back up, the screws will replace the expanding fasteners holding the flap and trim/skit in place.




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Old 01-30-2009, 11:04 AM   #121
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add 1mm to the measurement and its not ra's pattern and pattent at all ty can cry all thy want but an 1mm is 1mm away from their design...



changing scale is not sufficient to avoid patent infringement. Just FYI.

Also, spell check for the win.
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changing scale is not sufficient to avoid patent infringement. Just FYI.

Also, spell check for the win.
You can't realistically patent a "mudflap," at least not in the applications discussed here. Just an FYI.

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Just FYI... Using a clear spraypaint primer designed for plastics does an amazing job on those ikea cutting boards. Makes regular enamel paint stick like mad to surfaces it usually flakes off of.
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Also, spell check for the win.
i type terribly because i have to use the tablet pc on screen keyboard from windows xp and i dont have a touch screen so i have to use my mouse dont step on your keyboard at 4am
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You can't realistically patent a "mudflap," at least not in the applications discussed here. Just an FYI.

True, i was speaking generally.
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