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Old 11-16-2009, 10:58 PM   #1
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Default 2.5L 05 STi + Blouch Dom 3.0 XT-R makes 380whp and 355wtq

Event: dyno pull/tune
Location: EngineLogics @ Houston, TX
Ambient Temp: 69 F
Elevation: The elevation of Houston, TX is 43Ft.
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Tires: Potenza RE 010 245/45/18
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Dyno Info: DynoDynamics
Peak HP at RPM: 380.8 @ 6500
Peak Torque at RPM: 354.9 @ 4900
Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: 218-228 whp
Target Boost: 24 psi
Target AFR:11.5
Fuel: 93 unleaded Shell V-Power w/ 100% Meth injection
Engine/Power Modifications: dw 850 injectors, catless invidia bellmouth dp, Tanabe Medallion Touring 3" CBE, grimmspeed port polish/ceramic coated manifold and uppipe, custom 72mm short ram intake, aps inlet, txs large topmount I/C, spec C I/C sprayer/tank, smc 100% meth injection, 1 step colder ngk iridium plugs, walbro 255, grimmspeed ebcs, grimmspeed tgv deletes port and polished/ceramic coated and phenolic spacers
Driveline Modifications: ACT streetlite clutch and flywheel
Suspension Modifications: Prodrive STi lowering springs (eibach), strut tower braces
Other Modifications: Advan RS 18x8.5







this is comparison to my former FP Green w same supporting setup (blue): dom 3.0 xt-r and (red): fp green

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Old 11-16-2009, 11:24 PM   #2
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Thanks for posting. Considering you have a TMIC the spool appears to be a bit lazy. Other Dom3 XTR dynos showed faster spool. Less load with this brand of dyno?
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:29 PM   #3
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i wonder if those have the same hot side. i have the 10cm^3 hotside which i believe makes for slower spool. however i am not well versed/educated on any of this. i am not sure about the load w/ this dyno
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:31 PM   #4
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i wonder if those have the same hot side. i have the 10cm^3 hotside which i believe makes for slower spool. however i am not well versed/educated on any of this. i am not sure about the load w/ this dyno
the others i have seen also appeared to spool about 1kRPM sooner.

they were also XTR turbos.

look for IAG's graphs, numbers aside the spool does look lazy.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:38 AM   #5
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+1 spools late, also power look a bit low for running pump and meth. Even for the dyno... Maybe is from the tmic? Not trying to bash, just comparing other results Ive seen.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:03 AM   #6
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you should be making way more power than the FP green that was on there previously.
here is IAG's graph, the TMIC should not make that big of a difference, if anything it should improve the spool.



Here is the thread for reference.

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Old 11-17-2009, 11:19 AM   #7
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you should be making way more power than the FP green that was on there previously.
here is IAG's graph, the TMIC should not make that big of a difference, if anything it should improve the spool.



Here is the thread for reference.

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I'm almost sure that the Dyno Dynamics they're using is not on 1.2 CF.

Soo looks about correct...
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:28 AM   #8
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I'm almost sure that the Dyno Dynamics they're using is not on 1.2 CF.

Soo looks about correct...
Jorge, will never display a CF so the IAG dyno is also Uncorrected.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:57 AM   #9
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Jorge, will never display a CF so the IAG dyno is also Uncorrected.
ya, uncorrected dynojets read LIKE Dyno Dynamics on 1.2CF

understand?

If you put a stock sti on a dynojet it would make about 240 - 250whp uncorrected

...

Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: 218-228 whp
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Old 11-17-2009, 12:06 PM   #10
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ya, uncorrected dynojets read LIKE Dyno Dynamics on 1.2CF

understand?

If you put a stock sti on a dynojet it would make about 240 - 250whp uncorrected

...

Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: 218-228 whp
Understand numbers wise.

but look at the curve.
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Old 11-17-2009, 12:08 PM   #11
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Understand numbers wise.

but look at the curve.
what about the curve?

Turbo looks very laggy on this car.

Not very impressed with the turbo anyway.

FP has had a turbo that could do this for years now.
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Old 11-17-2009, 12:13 PM   #12
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what about the curve?

Turbo looks very laggy on this car.

Not very impressed with the turbo anyway.

FP has had a turbo that could do this for years now.
very laggy on this car, the car in IAG's graph has a FMIC and spools quicker. something isnt right.

FP has not had a stock location turbo that could do this.

un-impressed or not something is not right about the results with OP's car.
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:01 PM   #13
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Hey OP did you write down the wrong color for you turbo comparison? It looks to me like the fp green is red and the dom 3 xt-r is blue. Dyno Dynamics are notorious for showing late spool, does it spool any quicker on the street?
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:44 PM   #14
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very laggy on this car, the car in IAG's graph has a FMIC and spools quicker. something isnt right.

FP has not had a stock location turbo that could do this.

un-impressed or not something is not right about the results with OP's car.
Yes FP has...

uhh it's called a RED
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:49 PM   #15
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Yes FP has...

uhh it's called a RED
The RED is no longer avaliable (check the site)
It only has an 8cm hot side, is journal bearing and does not have an HTA option.

it is not comparable. It WILL post the numbers but the power band will not be the same.
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:56 PM   #16
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The RED is no longer avaliable (check the site)
It only has an 8cm hot side, is journal bearing and does not have an HTA option.

it is not comparable. It WILL post the numbers but the power band will not be the same.
Journal bearing and not having a HTA option has NOTHING todo with this.

Yes it might only have a 8cm hot side, but that should only hurt the performance of that turbo.

With that said here is a FP Red on pump gas 93 octane.

This powerband would rape this or any other Blouch Dom 3.0 XT-R

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Old 11-17-2009, 02:00 PM   #17
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Yes FP has...

uhh it's called a RED


FP Red is 60lb per min turbo
FP Red is journal bearing
turbo was available with 7 or 8cm turbine housing

Dom 3.0XT-R

Blouch 55lb per min billet compressor
Uses a Garrett GT30R CHRA
Has a stock location 10cm turbine housing

The 4.0XTR is more like the FP Red as far as HP ratings go
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:02 PM   #18
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FP Red is 60lb per min turbo
FP Red is journal bearing
turbo was available with 7 or 8cm turbine housing

Dom 3.0XT-R

Blouch 55lb per min billet compressor
Uses a Garrett GT30R CHRA
Has a stock location 10cm turbine housing

The 4.0XTR is more like the FP Red as far as HP ratings go
Love your turbos, just dont get why everyone is having such a circle jerk.

10cm turbine housing is tits
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:11 PM   #19
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Journal bearing and not having a HTA option has NOTHING todo with this.

Yes it might only have a 8cm hot side, but that should only hurt the performance of that turbo.

With that said here is a FP Red on pump gas 93 octane.

This powerband would rape this or any other Blouch Dom 3.0 XT-R

Hmmmm. Im not positive but confident that the dyno dynamics graph displaying 380 has a correction applied. If it didnt, its literally a 124mph car. Very doubtful. Dont forget 300whp on a dynodynamics on 1.0CF = 115 traps
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:16 PM   #20
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The IAG graph above is on 93, they tried q16 and the clutch said hell no.
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the IAG graph is on 93oct.

here is their Q16 graph, they had to let up early due to a slipping clutch

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How many pounds of boost were they running when they did the q16 tune?
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:32 PM   #23
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the IAG graph is on 93oct.

here is their Q16 graph, they had to let up early due to a slipping clutch


Can you post up a graph that has RPM, not speed..

hard to compare to the other sheets
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:35 PM   #24
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=IAG

Check out the thread it has lots of info in it
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:24 AM   #25
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no one asked why i switched turbo's ? i loved the green turbo on my car....however it did not last any longer than 600 mi before major shaft play and oil all up in the hot side. so decided to go w/ the Blouch and wow the fitment/install was much better than the FP. the FP did not fit well at all issues everywhere. the Blouch turbo definitely seems to be engineered better. my thoughts/my money

the red is the fp green and blue is the dom turbo graphs just read the heading again i know i could have worded it better.

yes i can definitely tell the difference in lag btwn the green and the dom; however, it does not feel as if it is that late in rpm band maybe somewhere near 500-800 rpm sooner than pictured.

hey, the car is fun to drive i will keep you guys posted on time slips....plan to head to track for run ASAP. i ran a 12.6 if i remember correctly at 109mph on my VF39 w/ meth rated at 300 whp on the same dyno so im hoping for high 11's/low 12's
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