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Old 05-23-2001, 05:47 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Subaru profit down 30 pct: "Synergies with GM may come later rather than sooner."

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Old 05-23-2001, 05:56 AM   #2
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They better not slap a GM sticker on Sube's over here. Instant loss of resale value.
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Old 05-23-2001, 06:17 AM   #3
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First Daimler-Benz, now Subaru. These quality car companies need to learn to keep their distance from the big three.
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Old 05-23-2001, 08:26 AM   #4
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Old 05-23-2001, 02:36 PM   #5
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I wonder how long until GM asks Subaru to stop building better cars then GM does or at least cars with less performance.
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Old 05-23-2001, 02:46 PM   #6
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Saab and Volvo haven't been ruined yet, although what Ford has done with Jaguar is embarrassing.

I won't say that Subaru has done anything wrong by partnering with GM until proven so. Now if the first vehicle to have a 2.5L turbo is a freaking truck, I'm going to be pissed off.

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``I don't think much of synergies through GM this business year. That would take shape late next year, when Fuji Heavy expands U.S. production capacity. It may be able to launch jointly developed models at that time,'' he said.
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Old 05-23-2001, 02:54 PM   #7
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Now if the first vehicle to have a 2.5L turbo is a freaking truck, I'm going to be pissed off.
STX
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Old 05-23-2001, 03:14 PM   #8
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I don't care how the engine gets here, but let's be honest: it's going to make it here far sooner (or at least far faster) if it's a truck engine than if it's a car engine. Simple laws of emissions and yuppie tastes.

As long as it fits in an RS, I don't care what kind of car donates it.
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Old 05-23-2001, 03:42 PM   #9
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Forget the STX. They will just make the S10 and the sonoma AWD.
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Old 05-23-2001, 04:41 PM   #10
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http://www.ssrrs.com/


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the tooling is going in now
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Old 05-23-2001, 05:53 PM   #11
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You said tool....
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Old 05-24-2001, 05:44 AM   #12
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Multi-seat wagon produced by GM?

I'm hoping the internals stay as they are (boxer plant tied to the AWD...how could it not?).

But this makes sense on a lot of levels. F.H.I wants to increase production here in the states (costs less when you don't have to ship them across the big puddle), and GM has LOADS of production facilities that it isnt using. Everybody is happy.

My only concern is that GM will drag the fit, finish and quality down. I own 2 cars in the $20k range...a 99 Legacy L and a 99 Pont. Sunfire. Lets just say that I eagerly await the day I can hand that noisy, vibrating, understeering POS lease back in. Guess which one I'm referring to. : )

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Old 05-24-2001, 07:37 AM   #13
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I wouldn't worry about GM messing with Subaru's quality. It seems that they are just sharing manufacturing space for now. I doubt we'll see any components moving from GM to Subaru cars (more likely the other way).

Also, as was previously mentioned, GM hasn't screwed over its other partners like Saab.
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Old 05-24-2001, 07:49 AM   #14
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GM/Isuzu small pickup plans are for new range of Vortecs based off 4.2L I6(i.e. I4 & I5). Some of you don't understand the snails pace of product development in the auto industry... this isn't a PC where you can easily change chips and boards willy-nilly. There are a ton of Fed tests and durability tests involved with every change. Relax with the childish bashing.

The GM/Subaru "wagon" is a rebadged Opel Zafira, I believe. If so, I must think it would be a bad idea - microvans don't seem to fit the image Subaru is trying to build currently, aside from the fact that it probably isn't more than a grill change.

As far as fit and finish... someone is comparing a Legacy(~$20k car) with a Sunfire(~$15 car). Is you craaaazy? That's like me comparing an Aurora with the Legacy and I KNOW which one is nicer inside.
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Old 05-24-2001, 06:00 PM   #15
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I don't really think a big loss like that is anything to worry about. A HUGE chunk of it is a one time pay-off to shore up their pension and retirement plans. For so little trouble, that article is pretty alarmist.
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Old 05-24-2001, 07:11 PM   #16
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Take a look at the Edmunds posts on Volvo and you might get the impression that they are nothing but trouble. Small, nit picky stuff on the newer ones, but it still means lots of time in the shop. Who needs them? As for Saab, more trouble. Just driving by the Saab dealership here will leave you with the impression that hardly anyone is buying them because the lot is packed with them and you rarely see one on the road down here. So count your blessings that you have a Subaru and hope and pray that GM lets it be. One thing struck me today while out on the road. I saw a new big Sedan de Ville, black, driving by and I couldn't get over how poorly done the paint was. Orange peel all over. If that is the best GM can do on their premium car what a sorry situation. The fact that they drove Oldsmobile into the ground through corporate mismanagement (and these executives still get their million dollar salaries and "golden parachutes") makes one wonder about all of the GM products. Well, sorry, I got carried away.
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Old 05-24-2001, 08:01 PM   #17
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Subaru profits down and becoming bedmates with GM sounds like all bad news to me.

I still think they need to take the route that Toyota, Honda, and Nissan did. Start premium brands. Americans are mostly badge whores. It'd work over here.

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Old 05-25-2001, 12:25 AM   #18
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Idn't the EJ25 a truck engine to begin with?
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Old 05-25-2001, 12:34 AM   #19
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ok, you got me there garface. yes, it is a truck motor. the Impreza ended up with it because North American marketers couldn't convince FHI to bring the WRX in 98.
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