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Old 11-21-2009, 05:11 PM   #1
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Default Speedventures EVO vs STi Challenge is on, December 6th @ street of willow

Hi guys,

We had been talking to speedventures about this event for a while, and they agreed to do a test event at willowsprings raceway (streets of willow) on december 6th. Depending on the turnaround, we are planning to have 12 races throughout 2010.

There are 3 classes, below is the points system (subject to change) to determine car class.

Street Class
0 to <=6 points

Modified Class
6> to <=13 points

Unlimited Class
13> points

AERO
0.50 = front splitter
0.25 = aftermarket rear diffuser
1.25 = aftermarket wing

TIRE / WHEEL
0.75 = level 1 street tires (RT615, RS2, MX, CSC3, PS2)
1.50 = level 2 street tires (Z1, AD07, RE01R, R1R, 595RSR, NT05, RE070)
3.50 = R-comp (RA1, R888, NT01, A048, PSC) / not allowed for street class
0.25 = 265
0.50 = 275
1.00 = 285 or bigger

-C91, A6, V710, non-DOT, and all un-named <100 treadwear tires will be bumped into Unlimited Class

ENGINE
0.25 = aftermarket header
0.75 = test pipe / downpipe
0.25 = cat-back exhaust
0.75 = aftermarket stand alone ECU
1.50 = engine swaps (from different chassis)
1.00 = aftermarket camshaft/headwork
2.00 = aftermarket turbocharger OR
3.50 = aftermarket turbocharger with 4" (100mm) compressor housing

SUSPENSION / BRAKES
0.75 = swaybar upgrade
0.50 = drop springs and/or aftermarket shocks
2.00 = 1 way adjustable coilover suspension
2.50 = 2 way adjustable coilover suspension
3.50 = 3+ way adjustable coilover suspension
1.50 = aftermarket brake kit (non-oe caliper upgrades)

DRIVETRAIN
0.50 = transmission swap (from different chassis)

WEIGHT REDUCTION
0.25 = per lightweight body panel (excluding carbon fiber hood)
* each pair will get 0.25 points, ie: trunk/front fenders/front doors/rear doors are 1.00 points total
0.25 = per lightweight glass
0.25 = passenger seat removal (rear seat removal is 0.00 points)

- For Stock & Modified class, weight reduction limited to battery, spare tire, tools, light weight body panels, door panel removal / lightweight door panels, bucket seats, passenger and rear seat removal
- Unlimited class must have rollcage IF door panels AND windows are removed.

SAFETY bonus
-0.25 = neck support
-0.25 = roll bar installation
-0.50 = roll bar installation / bucket seat / FIA-approved 5+ point harness / neck support
-0.75 = full roll cage installation / bucket seat / FIA-approved 5+ point harness / neck support

2010 Schedule:
Feb 20-21 Willow Springs
April 10-11 Buttonwillow
May 15-16 Spring mountain
June 12-13 Willow Springs
Agu 14-15 Autoclub speedway
Oct 23-24 Buttonwillow
Nov 6-7 Streets of willow




regards,

Cenk
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:30 AM   #2
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Wish I was just a little closer!!! If you have more events throughout 2010 I will try and make one, lookout street class
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:34 AM   #3
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just like s2k, miata, and corvette challenge huh!
should be fun!!
i'll see u guys next year but i'll be in s2k challenge
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:07 AM   #4
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Wish I was just a little closer!!! If you have more events throughout 2010 I will try and make one, lookout street class
Hope to see you here
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:09 AM   #5
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just like s2k, miata, and corvette challenge huh!
should be fun!!
i'll see u guys next year but i'll be in s2k challenge
exactly ! I looked at those and said hmmm we are missing something here

S2000s are super fun good luck..
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:23 PM   #6
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if we have a 3" inlet stock location turbo and a front mount, is that 5 points?

if we have a swaybar and coilovers, is that 3.5 points?

With this system our STOCK class time attack car ends up in unlimited
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:53 PM   #7
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very true
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:04 PM   #8
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Will a 3'' flange welded to stock catback/ or running an adaptor still cost you .25? That would be enough to bump me out of street..

EDIT: do brembos on my forester fall into aftermarket?
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:45 PM   #9
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My Stock Class car with a stock turbo is already in Modified.
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Old 11-22-2009, 10:14 PM   #10
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If my car is up and running I may consider...

And SV use to run a Evo shootout back in the day...
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:15 AM   #11
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if we have a 3" inlet stock location turbo and a front mount, is that 5 points?

if we have a swaybar and coilovers, is that 3.5 points?

With this system our STOCK class time attack car ends up in unlimited
3" inlet stock location turbo and a front mount is 3 points.

swaybar and coilovers is 3.5 points though.

We havent finalized the points system, should be done by friday..
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:18 AM   #12
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Will a 3'' flange welded to stock catback/ or running an adaptor still cost you .25? That would be enough to bump me out of street..

EDIT: do brembos on my forester fall into aftermarket?
Yes cutouts are 0.25 points..

If you have the STi type brembos, that counts as OE. But brembo also makes a racing type 4 piston which will count as aftermarket.

We might bump the street class to 5.5 or 6 points..
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:23 AM   #13
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My Stock Class car with a stock turbo is already in Modified.
STi w/OE tires 1.5points

Taking the 0.25 points for OE lip OUT !

0.25 = cone type Air filter
0.25 = aftermarket header
0.75 = test pipe /downpipe
0.25 = cat-back exhaust

1.00 = non-coilover suspension and/or Aftermarket swaybar
2.50 = coilover suspension

Total is 6.50 points, This should be street class imo, so should adjust points system based on this sample if you guys are on the same page with me..

let me know..


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Old 11-23-2009, 02:49 PM   #14
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So the 850 shipped Megan coilovers will count the same points as JRZ 3-ways competition coilovers?

How about some power limits? like 300whp for street, 380whp for mods? We can't just edit the s2k rules a little for awd cars because 90% of s2k track guys run at stock power level and they are fast.

Plus Ed Lee and Jaku Huang spent a lot of time to create the s2k rules, maybe our awd folks are just lazy?
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:21 PM   #15
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So the 850 shipped Megan coilovers will count the same points as JRZ 3-ways competition coilovers?

How about some power limits? like 300whp for street, 380whp for mods? We can't just edit the s2k rules a little for awd cars because 90% of s2k track guys run at stock power level and they are fast.

Plus Ed Lee and Jaku Huang spent a lot of time to create the s2k rules, maybe our awd folks are just lazy?
Two way adjustables could be +1 point over 1 ways. But its hard to do points for HP levels, all dynos are different..

Yes, I need help with the rules ! Dave @ speedventures hasnt given any feedback yet..
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:06 PM   #16
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this is kinda crazy. my car is in mod class with these rules. but i know that other mod class cars would destroy my setup.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:14 PM   #17
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adding an intercooler shouldnt be counted as 2.00

putting a big tmic without a bigger turbo on an STi is 2 points. a bit too much.

you gotta move the limit of where street and mod is. i think your estimation of where it should be around 6.5 or 7 points would be perfect. allows for the "basic" mods, but nothing too extreme.


so any wheel that isnt a identical to stock or has a higher offset is worth .5 points?
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:28 PM   #18
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^ yeah rules are sorta stiff for our cars. i think im around a 6.75 but at that rate i should just run R comps and try to get up to 11. theres a big gap from a 6 to an 11 car.

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nvm. im at like 7.75 with my intercooler

vince.. dinner attack.

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Old 11-23-2009, 04:34 PM   #19
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My car came up to 14.75 points. Looks like I'd need a full cage. Not that I would feel comfortable running a track event without one.

Keep in mind there is a new RT-615 coming out soon that is supposed to be as good as the AD07 and the RE-01R.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:40 PM   #20
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another question, does this event count towards points to 2010?
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Old 11-23-2009, 05:44 PM   #21
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another question, does this event count towards points to 2010?
This is just a trial event..

if we have good attendance, speedventures will organize the series for 2010.

just adjusted some of the points, but the street class total points are not decided yet.. will be 7 most likely, which should push the modified to 13 points..

let me know what you think guys..


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Old 11-23-2009, 05:49 PM   #22
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im right around 7 points.

if street is at 7, thats great news for me.
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Old 11-23-2009, 07:09 PM   #23
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Two way adjustables could be +1 point over 1 ways. But its hard to do points for HP levels, all dynos are different..

Yes, I need help with the rules ! Dave @ speedventures hasnt given any feedback yet..
I would think a stage 2 sti with 91 should be the limit for street car, which means ej205 with 18g or similar setup. For the dyno part, let's just keep it simple, base on everyone's own honesty. Plus, a 20~30ish hp difference won't be that noticeable in our heavy-pig 3xxx lbs cars.

I always believe that track folks are some nice ppl. Even in the big competition like RLT/SLB, I know that one top team in the unlimited class helped their closet competitor welding stuff on the track and another team gave a hand to an overnight engine swap for their competitor's miata in mod class. There are lots of examples like these. I am sure some of you know about them.

It's just a little game for fun. If there's actually a person spent big$$ on his 500hp aeroed beast to win the mod class' 50 bucks Speedventures certificate, good for him.
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cenk
How about atleast 0.25 points for 2.5 wrxs?

And for passenger seat = 0.25 point, -0.25 point for wagon owner would be nice, too. lol

Actually, the s2k guys have that rule because they dont have space in their car to carry tools and spare wheels/tires. I think we can edit as rear seats for our cars.

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Old 11-23-2009, 07:23 PM   #25
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There are many sti swapped cars. I would think 1.5 points(same as sti) for swapped GD and 1.75~2.0 for gc rsti folks. And yes, both ej207 and ej257 should be the same. ej207 8k redline with a good tune can be faster than ej257 on some tracks.
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