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Old 11-25-2009, 04:21 PM   #1
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Default 2006 sti ATP35 dyno tune, Pump gas vs race gas

Event: Dyno pull
Location: P&L Motorsports, Franklin Park, IL
Ambient Temp: 57F outside Humidity %
Elevation: 630ft above sea level
Weather: Sunny
Tires: Bridgestone, re01r, 245/40/17

Car: 2006 STI
Tuner: Jorge
Dyno Info: DynoJet
Peak HP: 383/433 93/109
Peak Torque: 333/383 93/109
Target Boost: 19.5psi/23psi
Target AFR: 12
Fuel: 93/ VP-MS109 octane

Engine: RAW performance stage3 sb, Kelford 276in/272exh cams and more.

Power: ATP35 IWG, Element tuning DP, KStech 83mm maf, AP 3”hard inlet, 3” perrin catback, GS exh manifolds/Hiflow cross pipe/uppipe, GS bcs, APS 50/50, TGV deletes, CSS fmic, modified 820cc injectors/walbro, ngk v-powers, Grimmspeed AOS, perrin crank pulley.

Driveline Modifications: Flywheel stock, clutchmasters stg3.

Suspension Modifications: RCE yellows, homemade rear endlinks.

I was given the option to crank up the boost a couple pounds and put it at 400 but I decided to keep it low because I drive it to work every day.
Race gas tune in the spring is in the works.



Went back and had Jorge take a look at the old map and create a race gas map. The only thing changed on the car was sparkplugs and GS AOS.
The car is scary fast on the racegas tune, Although I was limited because of my MAP sensor.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:23 PM   #2
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target AFR 12??? why so lean?
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:28 PM   #3
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Everybody says that about P&L dyno plots, it's just how the wideband on that dyno reads.

What's holding this thing back? I'd expect more out of a 35r even if it's a stock location IWG 35r. The FMIC? the header/uppipe? Or just a really conservative tune?
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:31 PM   #4
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Everybody says that about P&L dyno plots, it's just how the wideband on that dyno reads.

What's holding this thing back? I'd expect more out of a 35r even if it's a stock location IWG 35r. The FMIC? the header/uppipe? Or just a really conservative tune?
maybe the 19psi part is holding it back
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:40 PM   #5
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Everybody says that about P&L dyno plots, it's just how the wideband on that dyno reads.

What's holding this thing back? I'd expect more out of a 35r even if it's a stock location IWG 35r. The FMIC? the header/uppipe? Or just a really conservative tune?
hey jay why would it be that conservative with a built raw block--I mean it should be safe to push it a little.I also think that seems a little lean for pump.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:54 PM   #6
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Everybody says that about P&L dyno plots, it's just how the wideband on that dyno reads.

What's holding this thing back? I'd expect more out of a 35r even if it's a stock location IWG 35r. The FMIC? the header/uppipe? Or just a really conservative tune?
Really nothing holding it back just conservative is all. Like I said if he bumped it to 21-22psi it would be over 400. It's plenty fast, enough to get into trouble or even dead.

I'll save balls to the wall for q16 or c16.

The afr's at 12 is just how Jorge does it. I'm not going to question it.

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Old 11-25-2009, 07:15 PM   #7
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Looks like a great daily driver map to me.

Yes he could have had the Jorge crank it up a bit, but for what?...Extra power he's not going to use everyday? If the driver is happy with what he has for everyday driving, then that is all that matters.

Don't forget to update this thread when you do decide to do a race gas map
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:31 PM   #8
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This thing has a built block with headwork and a 35r stock location turbo but only makes 381/332 ??

Something is wrong here. Even with only 19lbs it should of made more. But **** numbers! go to the track and see what it traps.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:59 PM   #9
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i think 19 psi with these numbers are pretty good. got any pics of the car???
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:01 PM   #10
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although, if you put some better flowing headers on, you will def get over 400whp on the same 19psi if not less.
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:34 PM   #11
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Old 03-11-2010, 06:20 PM   #12
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Bump for new results
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Old 03-11-2010, 06:27 PM   #13
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Although I was limited because of my MAP sensor.
before i would have told you to buy a AEM 3.5 bar.....but just buy a hallman for $80 and call it a day. Its cheaper and then you can "tune" the car yourself for racegas.
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Old 03-11-2010, 06:37 PM   #14
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before i would have told you to buy a AEM 3.5 bar.....but just buy a hallman for $80 and call it a day. Its cheaper and then you can "tune" the car yourself for racegas.
I'm using an AP and don't have access to this map. Well I don't think anyway.
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Old 03-11-2010, 06:42 PM   #15
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wel....u dont need access to it if you have a mbc.....add race gas...turn knob

and cobb is having a special to send in your old AP for a new one for $300.

they also have AP Race where u can tune it yourself....u just have to fill out the form on their site with your serial number.
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Old 03-11-2010, 07:36 PM   #16
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Nice numbers man! I actually spoke to Jorge this morning and he mentioned you had brought your car in for a retune.

I take it you were probably close to running out of injector at those numbers on the race gas tune?
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Old 03-11-2010, 07:43 PM   #17
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Nice numbers man! I actually spoke to Jorge this morning and he mentioned you had brought your car in for a retune.

I take it you were probably close to running out of injector at those numbers on the race gas tune?
I have no idea what they are on the racegas tune. But on the pump tune they are around 87%.

Next time I get some 109 I will run logs.

The car is just scary on the race gas tune.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:45 AM   #18
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+1 for stock location gt35r's
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:03 AM   #19
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Im loving mine ATP 35r 21 psi EWG SSAC FullRace Manifold blah blah

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Thank you, I hope your build goes well.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:17 PM   #21
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Thanks man, this is a very nice build. I might need to step it up to meth injection. Do you like the aps unit enough to recommend it? Also, dont know about you but im planning to use full-race bits to reach the 500 mark on my build. You got some nice numbers for the amount of boost. Should have about 30 more in it with a high boost race gas tune.

-1 for all the stock location haters. At least we have the option for twinscroll down the road. Im searching for a new tuner how was your experience with P&L? Great shop from what i've heard/read. Keep us posted on whats coming next.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:48 PM   #22
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Thanks man, this is a very nice build. I might need to step it up to meth injection. Do you like the aps unit enough to recommend it? Also, dont know about you but im planning to use full-race bits to reach the 500 mark on my build. You got some nice numbers for the amount of boost. Should have about 30 more in it with a high boost race gas tune.

-1 for all the stock location haters. At least we have the option for twinscroll down the road. Im searching for a new tuner how was your experience with P&L? Great shop from what i've heard/read. Keep us posted on whats coming next.
APS 50/50 bpv? yes I like it.

Full race stuff is awesome but$$$

To hit the 500 mark on this turbo, I would say you are going to have a hard time on any fuel. Rotated would be the better bet for reaching 500whp. The reason I couldn't go any further with the boost was because the MAP sensor was maxed out so keep this in mind for when you do your build. The biggest drawback to the ATP35 is the size of the compressor housing . It doesn't allow the turbo to breath as easy as a rotated 35.

P&L has been very good to me, Jorge is great and knows his stuff. I highly recommend him for tuning. I've delt with other tuners in the area and none can compare, He prides himself on making the car feel like it came from the factory "smooth"

For my cars future, Well we're about to have a baby and for the most part I'm going to leave it alone. maybe do some things to make it more reliable; Oil cooler, radiator, better gauges, turbo blanket, upgraded silicone couplers ect. I'm also going to port the turbo, IDK if you noticed but there are bolts that stick into the flow of air, I'm going to cut them down and smooth everything out.

If you have any other ?? PM me.
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Yes FullRace is $$. You can get a really good manifold for $600 or the top of the line FullRace at $1600 or just leave it stock. I love the FR stuff mostly for the sound as I am not super pushing my build yet. I am adding meth next month and we will see where we end up. Meth for the reliability and yes for the up in power..
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break that thing in and then let it off the chain.
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