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Old 01-09-2010, 10:09 PM   #76
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tuned by jon@hbspeed. heres the quick and dirty scan till its in the dynodb.

2 runs on this plot, meth and 91 pump.

dom 3 xt-r

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very nice ^^
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:05 PM   #78
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very nice ^^
really?? Full boost after 5000RPM?? Why not run a GT35R if you're talking about this kind of spool time?

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Old 01-11-2010, 05:06 PM   #79
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those are some GREAT numbers.
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:27 PM   #80
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really?? Full boost after 5000RPM?? Why not run a GT35R if you're talking about this kind of spool time?

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based on the slope of the boost ramp it looks like his car has a leak......the dom3xtr in the first plot is hitting 20psi by 4k rpm......
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:33 PM   #81
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based on the slope of the boost ramp it looks like his car has a leak......the dom3xtr in the first plot is hitting 20psi by 4k rpm......
i doubt i have a boost leak, but its not impossible so i will check it out.

boost does come on much later than my stock turbo set up and the feeling is more linear.. there is no kick in the ass when the boost hits like there was on the stocker..

that said, the xtr doesnt feel laggy at all. though it does require more attention keeping the rpm's to where boost is just a twitch away.. then again, im not a stop light to stop light kinda guy.

for what its worth, here are the rest of the mods on my car.

Cobb TBE / Stage 2
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:54 PM   #82
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what boost control are u using? either ur boost control not setup correctly, u have a leak, or that dyno loads really slow.
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:07 PM   #83
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what boost control are u using? either ur boost control not setup correctly, u have a leak, or that dyno loads really slow.
i dont have any after market or manual boost controller. boost levels were set by the tuner. ill check out the possibility of a leak, and really have no clue how 'fast' the dyno loads.

i do know that on the 91 pump non-meth run he preloaded the dyno.
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:13 PM   #84
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i dont have any after market or manual boost controller.
there's your problem.

get a Perrin EBCS or Grimmspeed EBCS or a Hallman MBC.

All can be had for under $100.

The stock bcs isnt made for higher boost.......you can get it to work reasonably well by doing some things to the turbo dynamics to make it behave a certain way.....but it takes time. You've probably never even heard of "integral and proportional turbo dynamics".......its a pain....and not worth the pain for the achievable gains.

A mbc is by far the simplest boost control out there.....hook lines up, turn knob.
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:16 PM   #85
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there's your problem.

get a Perrin EBCS or Grimmspeed EBCS or a Hallman MBC.

All can be had for under $100.

The stock bcs isnt made for higher boost.......you can get it to work reasonably well by doing some things to the turbo dynamics to make it behave a certain way.....but it takes time. You've probably never even heard of "integral and proportional turbo dynamics".......its a pain....and not worth the pain for the achievable gains.

A mbc is by far the simplest boost control out there.....hook lines up, turn knob.

thanks for the heads up.. ill look into it.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:20 PM   #86
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based on the slope of the boost ramp it looks like his car has a leak......the dom3xtr in the first plot is hitting 20psi by 4k rpm......
i just got tuned today with the dom 3 xtr,and mine also hits 20psi at 3900/4000.
my xtr holds boost and power much better than the old dom 3.
at 6500+ rpm, it makes about 70 whp more than the old setup.but to be fair i added meth with the new setup.
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:03 AM   #87
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i just got tuned today with the dom 3 xtr,and mine also hits 20psi at 3900/4000.
my xtr holds boost and power much better than the old dom 3.
at 6500+ rpm, it makes about 70 whp more than the old setup.but to be fair i added meth with the new setup.
you're the third person ive heard say that about this exact turbo. all these other guys running their mouths complaining about the "lag" of these turbos need to listen up lol. and thats on a 2.5 block. i am so interested to see the 2.5xtr tested on the good ol' 2.0L block. i bet it would hit full boost at the same point as well.

yea this lineup will be hurting rotated kit sales for sure. as good as the rotated kits may look, ill never have the time/money/patience to throw one on my car.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:55 PM   #88
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you're the third person ive heard say that about this exact turbo. all these other guys running their mouths complaining about the "lag" of these turbos need to listen up lol. and thats on a 2.5 block. i am so interested to see the 2.5xtr tested on the good ol' 2.0L block. i bet it would hit full boost at the same point as well.

yea this lineup will be hurting rotated kit sales for sure. as good as the rotated kits may look, ill never have the time/money/patience to throw one on my car.
I have an S202 (which is the JDM 2002 STi Limited Edition 2.0L) with the Dom 3XTR, and I hit full boost at 3,800rpm. It pulls way better than the old Dom 3 there is no comparison. I am extremely impressed and love how hard it pulls all the way to 8,000rpm.
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Old 01-12-2010, 01:27 PM   #89
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yea this lineup will be hurting rotated kit sales for sure. as good as the rotated kits may look, ill never have the time/money/patience to throw one on my car.
if ur starting from scratch rotated kits can be cheaper because they dont necessitate buying TGV deletes and a 3" turbo inlet.....

Once you have all the surrounding mods (up, ext gate, dp, intake, tmic, etc) then simply buying the turbo is the easiest way to go, BUT still not the cheapest.

I was thinking exactly like you until i started scouring the classifieds for turbos and rotated kits. I was trying to upgrade from my HTA Green to something bigger.....well there arent that many turbos above that for stock location. They are all $2000 turbos.
I ended up getting a PT67, intake, gruppes headers/up, ext gate, fmic and piping for $1600. All that for less than a stock location turbo.
The rotated kits can be cheaper because a standard garrett t3 or t4 flanged turbo are a million times more common than the 7-8cm specially flanged turbine that we need.

there are 2-3 more rotated gt30 and gt35 kits for ~$2000 in the classifieds right now.....
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I have an S202 (which is the JDM 2002 STi Limited Edition 2.0L) with the Dom 3XTR, and I hit full boost at 3,800rpm. It pulls way better than the old Dom 3 there is no comparison. I am extremely impressed and love how hard it pulls all the way to 8,000rpm.
really.........thats on a EJ207 longblock correct?

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if ur starting from scratch rotated kits can be cheaper because they dont necessitate buying TGV deletes and a 3" turbo inlet.....

Once you have all the surrounding mods (up, ext gate, dp, intake, tmic, etc) then simply buying the turbo is the easiest way to go, BUT still not the cheapest.

I was thinking exactly like you until i started scouring the classifieds for turbos and rotated kits. I was trying to upgrade from my HTA Green to something bigger.....well there arent that many turbos above that for stock location. They are all $2000 turbos.
I ended up getting a PT67, intake, gruppes headers/up, ext gate, fmic and piping for $1600. All that for less than a stock location turbo.
The rotated kits can be cheaper because a standard garrett t3 or t4 flanged turbo are a million times more common than the 7-8cm specially flanged turbine that we need.

there are 2-3 more rotated gt30 and gt35 kits for ~$2000 in the classifieds right now.....
i hear what ur saying. i would go for the 2.4 inlet myself. but still you're looking up USED rotated kits, and as you well know, alotta people want brand new stuff. just saying, lol. mind you the USED kits that are in the classifieds have no warranty, and still go for $2k, USED. that and many of those rotated kits, no matter what turbo you throw on them, how many actually reach full spool as quick as this one does?
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really.........thats on a EJ207 longblock correct?



i hear what ur saying. i would go for the 2.4 inlet myself. but still you're looking up USED rotated kits, and as you well know, alotta people want brand new stuff. just saying, lol. mind you the USED kits that are in the classifieds have no warranty, and still go for $2k, USED. that and many of those rotated kits, no matter what turbo you throw on them, how many actually reach full spool as quick as this one does?
You're definitely right on this. The only set up I can think that would really compare when it comes to spool and more HP up top would be the new kit that Jon@Akuma built for his car. The graph on that thing is insane for their dyno. Quick spool and plenty of power.

Don't get me wrong, I love Blouch turbo's, the turbo Jon put on his car just made the decision more difficult for me.
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well, yes the majority of them are used.....2 of them were bnib. juan sold his bnib perring gt35 kit for $2250. and there is another for $2400.

All of the rotated kits can meet or beat this spool......just depends on the turbine housing you wanna run.....

dont get me wrong, im a big advocate of stock location setups for those of us that have to pass smog and visual they are a must. but if that isnt a factor, you cant beat a rotated kit with a stock location setup. a rotated gt30 will work better than a dom3xtr and a rotated gt35 will work better than a dom4xtr. Not to mention the flexibility of swapping turbine housings to shape your powerband how you want it. And cost between them is not even an issue because its so close. I mean find me one rotated kit where the turbo costs $2000 by itself.....all the other parts are equal in cost.
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mind you the USED kits that are in the classifieds have no warranty, and still go for $2k, USED.
Not really, ever heard of a transferable warranty? Or maybe I'm just dreaming about all the used turbos that I've had warranty work done on.

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that and many of those rotated kits, no matter what turbo you throw on them, how many actually reach full spool as quick as this one does?
Srsly?
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[quote=GDAryder;29378592]really.........thats on a EJ207 longblock correct?


Yes, it is a Version 7 EJ207 longblock Spec C.
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Yes, it is a Version 7 EJ207 longblock Spec C.
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. but if that isnt a factor, you cant beat a rotated kit with a stock location setup. a rotated gt30 will work better than a dom3xtr and a rotated gt35 will work better than a dom4xtr.
Thats questionable imho, as rotated set-ups I know of don't have billet compressor wheels that are lighter and flow better than comparable sized stock Garrett wheels...
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^I think Ron is saying the fact the turbo is rotated to have a more direct intake and exhaust path and also not limited in turbine or compressor size makes it more efficent all things turbo wise being equal.
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if ur starting from scratch rotated kits can be cheaper because they dont necessitate buying TGV deletes and a 3" turbo inlet.....

Once you have all the surrounding mods (up, ext gate, dp, intake, tmic, etc) then simply buying the turbo is the easiest way to go, BUT still not the cheapest.

I was thinking exactly like you until i started scouring the classifieds for turbos and rotated kits. I was trying to upgrade from my HTA Green to something bigger.....well there arent that many turbos above that for stock location. They are all $2000 turbos.
I ended up getting a PT67, intake, gruppes headers/up, ext gate, fmic and piping for $1600. All that for less than a stock location turbo.
The rotated kits can be cheaper because a standard garrett t3 or t4 flanged turbo are a million times more common than the 7-8cm specially flanged turbine that we need.

there are 2-3 more rotated gt30 and gt35 kits for ~$2000 in the classifieds right now.....

Its all about the deals! If I havnt told you what I paid for my turbo and 3" inlet, you would be VERY surprised.

If I can do it over again, I would have gone str8 to a rotated kit. But I love what I have, and the price even more.

How did you find a deal like that Ron, seems pretty insane.
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Very nice!
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Thats questionable imho, as rotated set-ups I know of don't have billet compressor wheels that are lighter and flow better than comparable sized stock Garrett wheels...
AMS has the new comp wheels. P&L said they could do one too.

If I was going rotated right now I would ask blouch if they could sell me a 30R with the new Billet wheel in it.

FWIW in the next year or so these new wheels will be the norm from Garrett.
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