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Old 12-02-2009, 01:24 AM   #1
evanejp1980
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Default '99 Outback 2.5L problem, maybe BIG problem

I have a '99 outback, 2.5L 5-speed. Last night the car started making the sound like the timing belt snapped, so I pulled over, it was at idling speed when I heard it, barely made it into a parking lot, and it stalled. Could not restart it, no loud bangs prior, it just stopped, kinda like when you shut the car off with the key.

I had it towed to a shop, and they checked it out and told me that the water pump seized, and it may have bent the valves.

They want to replace the water pump, timing belt (just changed it 15k ago), and the sprockets with a combination kit, and then check to see if the valves survived.

At the time, the car never was even at operating temp yet, just had been started maybe 1/2 mile before from cold start. And it was idling when it shut itself down. I've had this car about 3 years, maybe 20k, now has 144k, NEVER had an over heat problem, in fact, have the opposite of that, it takes forever for it to warm up, at least 10-15 minutes of constant driving to get warmed up.

My question is, even with the stuck bearing, the belt looked okay, a little worn where the bearing rubbed on it. Should I be concerned that I seized the motor too? I've never had or even heard of a seized water pump, I'm certain this one is original, but all of this happened within about 2 minutes, from the time I started the car, till the time it shut down.

Should I be concerned that valves met? It doesn't sound like it's possible that it happened that way, but I am a bit nervous.

The bill so far, (he didn't finish today) is 850 for the tow, the kit, the water pump, and labor. Does that sound fair? The tow was probably 3 miles or so.
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:06 AM   #2
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What do you mean it sounded like the belt snapped? generally when the belt goes you don't hear anything but the motor cutting out and maybe some if your having really bad luck the sound of a valve dropping and rattling in your quickly dying motor(spoon in a coffee can sound).
CEL?
Well if your belt did slip or jump teeth then Houston we have a problem. The EJ25D DOHC is an interference motor which means if the timing belt goes 9 times out of 10 your valves go too. If your having a shop do this job it is retardedly expensive to fix (2K or more dollars). A compression test will tell your mechanics for sure whats wrong, going to guess that might have happened...
I bought my 98 Outback with 150K miles a month ago for $200 with the same problem; jumped belt, was going to cost the previous owner $2500 to fix and didn't want to spend it. I did all the work my self and sent the heads to get re manufactured. All in all it cost me around $500 for all the parts (new belt, gaskets, etc...). Going to be way cheaper to do it your self if the valves bent...
$850 seems a bit high for me, where is you location?
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:53 PM   #3
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Apparently it didn't survive it. The mechanic said its running, but has a bad miss.

I planned to keep the car for a long time, and I was crossing my fingers on the head gasket anyway, so now it should be done.

Any suggestions for this? How hard is to do this? Do I need to pull the motor?

I'm def. not new to working on cars, but this is my first subaru. I found a set of heads on ebay for 500. where did you get yours remanufactured?
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:59 AM   #4
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I brought my heads down to my local engine shop. Had to get 6 valves replaced, they planed, dipped and cleaned my heads, they also did my valve clearances for me. It cost me $340, car runs brand new now. When you get your HGs make sure you buy the multi layered ones. I got mine from the Subaru dealership for $40 bucks a piece. Also make sure you Get new Cam SEALS! Also a good idea to replace the timing belt.

I pulled my motor but you don't have too. Fits perfect in a a milk crate so easy to work around! I find its way easier to work on with the motor out of the car, just make sure you have a Haynes manual handy and read it it over well! Organize your parts and make sure you have an extra car to drive it may take a couple of weeks to do... Don't power through it, follow everything to spec and it will end up good in the end.

Some pics of my rebuild and how I did the project:


Clean and Painted

I took my time on it... It works great now!
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