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Old 05-18-2002, 10:37 PM   #1
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Default FMIC for '00 RS that doesn't require bumper modification?

I have a '94 WRX engine and driveline swapped into a '94 Impreza L, with an '00 RS bumper. I'm maxing out my TMIC (I'm over 300 hp and 300 ft-lbs ), and looking to upgrade to a FMIC. I can't find a FMIC that fits the US '99-01 RS bumper assembly. I am not willing to hack the bumper or switch to a lightweight beam. I don't mind losing my foglights, as long as I can keep the foglight covers.

Any help is appreciated. If nothing turns up, I'll either have Rallispec make me a custom FMIC, or I'll run a CO2 spray system on my TMIC...either way I need something that will be good for 400+ hp.

Thanks. Here's a look at my baby for the curious:

Edit: And I need to move out to NJ so I can get rid of that $%^&# front liscense plate!
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Old 05-18-2002, 11:05 PM   #2
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Lookin good man! Anyway doesnt B-Spec have a FMIC that works with the stock bumper.
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Old 05-19-2002, 02:19 AM   #3
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Well it'll be hard to fit a FMIC without hacking your bumper or support . let me tell you why from experience , I have a hks FMIC with a hacked lightweight bumper support and hacked bumper:

first off the bumper beam surrounds the whole opened area that you see on your bumper , what that means that your core AND endtanks would have to be IN that opened area and NOT extending behind the bumper cover (on sides or top/bottom)which will make it a "smaller" IC but then you might get a really efficient one and you'll be o.k . for you to even place the IC in the front you'll HAVE to cut some of the bumper cover so you just have to come to terms that you have to atleast cut some plastic !

Secondly in order make way for the piping to/from the IC you have to either have endtanks openings that face the side like this -III- which will require you to cut holes in the bumper beam legs that go down for the piping to go through them (its doable with the lightweight one but would be very hard with the stock one) , OR you have endtanks openings that go down so it'll clear those beam legs and then the piping would make a 90 deg. and go up again , get it ? There's actually an australian kit that routs like that but I just can't find the pics now. This last option is very tricky because you'll have to reduce your core size to have enough space for the 90 deg. turns to clear the vertical beam legs I was talking about .

To sum up : there's NO WAY you can put a FMIC without cutting some bumper cover , also you'll have very hard time fitting anything AND keeping your stock bumper beam AND not having to hack it up . Been There Done That !
Having said all that , the APS FMIC's for the WRX's from cobb have an unusual size that might be close to what you're looking for , you'll have to use custom piping for your GC8 and still need to hack up some meal and plastic , but I'd think its less hacking than trying to fit your typical HKS/greddy off the shef cores . HTH

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Old 05-19-2002, 02:38 AM   #4
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What about the thought of a civic FMIC kit? those are pretty small...also you could find a manufacture that has cores and custom make one as a thought.
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Old 05-19-2002, 12:36 PM   #5
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you could also just get a water/air intercooler and not have to hack anything up, and get great efficiency to run more power.
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Old 05-19-2002, 02:55 PM   #6
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you could also just get a water/air intercooler and not have to hack anything up, and get great efficiency to run more power.
Ditto!
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Old 05-19-2002, 03:34 PM   #7
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Mark...I'm placing a order on wednsday for a new FMIC set-up..The price is $1100 shipped from australia.It comes with everything and you don't need to hack your bumper up.I'll p/m you with my new number.Here is a few pics.Oh..and it's a 70mm thick core.I think around 3"...Gerry
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Old 05-19-2002, 04:19 PM   #8
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From the picture above that looks like that australian kit I was talking about . There's one thing I gotta point out tho , I'm not sure what people define as "hacking up" your bumper but even for the IC above , you STILL have to cut some of the plastic off the bumper cover. It really doesn't look bad at all if you take your time and use the right tools but you just have to cut some off .
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Old 05-19-2002, 04:40 PM   #9
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Gerry, that intercooler looks great, but its hanging a little low if I am looking at it correctly. I'll bet that thing is good for some serious power.

Did you have to have custom piping frabricated for this setup?


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Old 05-19-2002, 04:45 PM   #10
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Sweet, Gerry. I can live with cutting some plastic, and even losing foglights, but I don't want to cut the bumper beam. It looks like this one still maintains stock fogs, too. Is a CAI essentail with this FMIC? Definitely PM me your new #, Gerry, I'd like to talk, or drop me an email at alloutforjesus@hotmail.com Any idea of this FMIC is available in a stealth black?

Thanks. Look forward to talking again.
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Old 05-19-2002, 04:59 PM   #11
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Does that car have 22b fender flares on it? I can;t tell

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Old 05-19-2002, 05:09 PM   #12
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Gerry, that intercooler looks great, but its hanging a little low if I am looking at it correctly.
Agreed. I was scoping that out, too. I rarely scrape my bumper, but every once in a while...
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Old 05-21-2002, 08:47 AM   #13
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Bump for the new guy. Here ya go elliot. First times free. next I want one of these intercoolers!
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Old 05-21-2002, 09:42 AM   #14
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I'll bet that if you put the V. 5/6 front lip on the factory bumper, you wouldn't even notice that it hangs low. And I have scraped the front bumper before, but that was after a 4 foot jump on a dirt road.

Anymore information on this kit besides the price? Is this the APS kit for Jap. Spec WRX's?


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Old 05-21-2002, 11:14 AM   #15
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annoited...

Is your swap an STi swap or just standard WRX swap?? Do you have any engine bay pictures? Just curious which intercooler your currently running whether it be STi or standard.

Thanks - Jon
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Old 05-21-2002, 12:40 PM   #16
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Is your swap an STi swap or just standard WRX swap?? Do you have any engine bay pictures? Just curious which intercooler your currently running whether it be STi or standard.

Thanks - Jon
It's a regular '94 WRX engine. Now that I'm getting a little bored with 16 pounds of boost, I kinda wish it was an STi, so I could crank it to 18 or 19 pounds. Plus my injectors are maxed out with 235 hp, 226 ft-lbs that I recently dyno'd at at 1.1 bar (ie, 314 hp, 302 ft-lbs at the crank, based on 25% driveline loss that WRX's typically have). And I'm sure my stock TMIC is doing all it can to keep up with life.

Here's a crappy pic of my engine bay, FWIW. I really need to go take some better pics of it!:
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It's a regular '94 WRX engine. Now that I'm getting a little bored with 16 pounds of boost, I kinda wish it was an STi, so I could crank it to 18 or 19 pounds. Plus my injectors are maxed out with 235 hp, 226 ft-lbs that I recently dyno'd at at 1.1 bar (ie, 314 hp, 302 ft-lbs at the crank, based on 25% driveline loss that WRX's typically have). And I'm sure my stock TMIC is doing all it can to keep up with life.

Here's a crappy pic of my engine bay, FWIW. I really need to go take some better pics of it!:
BTW, I won't be stuck at 16 psi for long. I'm currently debating whether my next stage of mods should be:

a) 2.2 or 2.4 stroker kit, custom turbo, injectors, FMIC (ie, a 400-475 hp set-up that will possibly make short work of my stock WRX tranny)

b) forged pistons, big 16G compressor wheel upgrade, injectors, TMIC upgrade (a 360-370 hp set-up that my stock WRX tranny will probably be OK with...possibly my clutch, too)

As tempting as scenario a may be, I'm pretty happy with the car now, so I suspect I'll be completely satisfied with scenario b. Of course, if my tranny ever goes, I'll have full justification to do a dogbox and create a 400 whp beast!!! For now, I'm hoping to survive forever on stock gears...
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Annointed where did you get you're motor from?
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Old 05-21-2002, 04:04 PM   #19
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well, I just took anohter pic. Sun glare kinda unfortunate, but it isn't as blurry:
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BTW, I won't be stuck at 16 psi for long. I'm currently debating whether my next stage of mods should be:

a) 2.2 or 2.4 stroker kit, custom turbo, injectors, FMIC (ie, a 400-475 hp set-up that will possibly make short work of my stock WRX tranny)

b) forged pistons, big 16G compressor wheel upgrade, injectors, TMIC upgrade (a 360-370 hp set-up that my stock WRX tranny will probably be OK with...possibly my clutch, too)

As tempting as scenario a may be, I'm pretty happy with the car now, so I suspect I'll be completely satisfied with scenario b. Of course, if my tranny ever goes, I'll have full justification to do a dogbox and create a 400 whp beast!!! For now, I'm hoping to survive forever on stock gears...
Why did you even bother with the WRX swap?Seems you'll be rebuilding everything.

That FMIC is sweet
Can I put one on my NA RS just for looks.

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Well the intercooler does hang kinda low but it won't be a problem scraping. Also those are not 22b fenders..Would be nice though..Here is a pic of the pipe work...Gerry
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Why did you even bother with the WRX swap?Seems you'll be rebuilding everything.
Well, it's like this. You drive an Impreza L for so long, and you realize, dam, this sux. I can't even merge with traffic. Its like having turbo lag but no turbo...just lag, all the way to redline You get laughed at by high schoolers in weak-azz Mustangs...etc, etc...a man can only take that so long before he resorts to drastic measures.

So you research an engine...a 2.2? $400. a 2.5? $1000. Oh, an EJ20! Man, $1800. Wait, i can get a front clip! $xxxx. I'll be happy w/the stock hp...yeah, right...so that's how you get to be like me. I never planned on a stroker kit, and rebuilding my EJ20. 314 hp/302 ft-lbs (crank) is nice and all, but like drugs, you start small, and need to keep upping the ante to get the same thrill (so I hear).

But, I digest...
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But I know what your're saying.
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Old 05-22-2002, 09:13 AM   #24
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Gerry, that piping is pretty. I thought you had a reverse throttle body on your car? Did you fabricate that piping yourself or does this come with the kit? I would assume this is custom fabricated since this kit probably isn't designed for a 2.5 RS.

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Old 05-22-2002, 09:22 AM   #25
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You know, there are vastly superior TMIC designs than the crappy tube & fin WRX one you're using. Just one with a small Spearco core will make a noticeable difference, especially with some sprayers.

But, i can also testify to the potential of Air/Water.

And finally, i relate to the "WOW" factor of a FM.

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