Best Wax

tracman · 05-20-2002, 10:04 AM

So which wax is the best, lasts a long time, and shine. Is the polyshield stuff any good, it is supposed to bont to the paint. Anyone ever used a poly paint sealer?

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blackrex · 05-20-2002, 01:38 PM

I like Blackfire it is a new polymer. Available from classic motoring accesories

jamz · 05-20-2002, 01:57 PM

Supposedly Zaino Brothers is the best. I haven't tried it though.

DustinR · 05-20-2002, 02:00 PM

what he said. Zaino is time consuming to do but turns out great.

jamz · 05-20-2002, 02:04 PM

It's a polymer though, not a natural wax, so it doesn't bead up water like real wax does. It does give a very very deep shine though, from what I've seen.

I gotta get off my arse and order some.

BoobsScoob · 05-20-2002, 02:12 PM

I use Finish First. It is liquid wax that is by far the easiest I've ever used. And you get awesome, deep shine. You can put it on and leave it in the garage overnight; then take it off the next day. Wipes off almost completely with one swipe. Great stuff.

Frederf · 05-20-2002, 03:18 PM

Griot's Best of Show is excellent, as is Zymol Japon Wax (for Japanese cars) or Zymol Carbon Wax (for dark cars) or Sovernaun (sp).... etc

http://www.autopia-carport.com

Is basically an unlimited source of info.

Silverscooby27 · 05-20-2002, 03:34 PM

Zymol (and not the junk at pep boys)

mitch808 · 05-20-2002, 03:57 PM

Zaino's is not hte same as Zymol. Zaino's can only be purchased online and is the preffered of that name(s)

However, as mentioned before, Griots Garage is the best out there and used on many many show cars. Although a bit pricey for some items, you get what you pay for.

If your looking for better tehn good but not great results, Meguiars is also good, they have a 3step solution that is rather good, but they also have a whole lineup of professional quality stuff that can and will break the bank if you buy all of them but not all are needed of course.

Personally for off the shelf stuff, here is what you can get with pretty good results and minimum shopping fuss

3M swirl mark remover
Meguairs Show car glaze
Meguairs Yellow wax

stupid fast 5.0 · 05-20-2002, 04:14 PM

The best in my opinion is Zymol Carbon for dark colored cars and Zymol Cream for light colors. Before waxing use Clay Majic spray and bar then Zymol HD cleanse. Once your done waxing you will never use anything else. http://www.emmonscoachworks.com/home.html This the cheapest place Ive found for these products.

trhoppe · 05-20-2002, 04:22 PM

Quote:

It's a polymer though, not a natural wax, so it doesn't bead up water like real wax does. It does give a very very deep shine though, from what I've seen.

Not True at all, my zaino beads! Also the car is a lot easier to wash after the zaino. The dirt seems to just fly off of the paint.

-Tom

hkwan · 05-20-2002, 05:10 PM

Klasse is easy to apply and seems to be lasting relatively quite long. Very nice shine as well. Anyone else has experience with it?

Stripe · 05-20-2002, 05:55 PM

I will give another vote for Zaino. I used to always use Mothers wax which is good too. Zaino takes alot alonger, but its worth it

2k2 · 05-20-2002, 08:29 PM

I will give my vote to Zaino as well.

Although some of you may feel that zaino is a Polymer and not a true "Wax" the fact remains that true waxes arent always the best solution for our cars anymore.

Zaino and other polymers provide a level of protection that carnauba waxes can't come anywhere near. If you were to use Zymol Carbon on your car and wanted a nice shine you would be able to achieve that, most people who use carnauba like to say that it makes thier car "glow" , but zymol provides little protection and has very little durability. Carnauba waxes have a low melting and evaporting point and on a black car using a carnauba wax on a 80-90 degree day you will be lucky to have it last a few weeks. Also, carnauba waxes contain Parrafin which can tend to "tint" the car a little off from its true color, I am not saying this is bad, many people prefer the look of carnauba color compared to polymer but I prefer to see the "true" color of my car. Last, an application of zaino compared to any carnauba wax is almost apples to oranges, if you apply zaino properly it is the easiest "wax" to apply and remove. If your car is a garage queen you will not have to worry about durability though.

Meanwhile, using a polymer (such as zaino or klasse) you get a much higher level of protection and durability. Zaino is known to last 6 months on a few coats and it is able to survive through harsh winters and scolding summers. Zaino is said to provide almost a plasticy shine to your car while klasse is said to provide a deep wet look.

so in the end all it is pretty much what you want out of your wax. Durability, Type of shine and Protection. You will get a glowing beautiful shine with a carnauba but will lack the durability and the application can be tough. With Zaino you get a reflective plasticy shine and you will have the highest durability and ease of application. With klasse you will have a deep wet look and ease of application and durability.

The argument of zaino over klasse could go on for years just the same the argument of carnauba over polymers would go on forever. It is all in the eye of the beholder which wax you decide to use.

But there is one last thing to remember, your car will NEVER have the perfect shine you want without proper preparation, this includes, claying, swirl mark removal and other steps to get your paint to the point where the wax can take its full effect.

Thanks for your time

Bryan

visit: www.autopia-carport.com for more information

Subie Gal · 05-20-2002, 10:21 PM

Griots Garage has some good products...

but i too have to say that Zymol has done my cars (both of them) very well!

the rally car has a clear coat on it... and it looks great!!!
even 6 club rallies later!!!

good luck in whatever you decide!
cheers!
Jamie
www.subiegalracing.com
www.subiegal.com

1quikrex · 05-20-2002, 10:25 PM

ZAINO,ZAINO, ZAINO!!!!!!!!!!!

M3sum · 05-21-2002, 12:48 AM

I agree, Zaino!

DustinR · 05-21-2002, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jamz
It's a polymer though, not a natural wax, so it doesn't bead up water like real wax does. It does give a very very deep shine though, from what I've seen.

I gotta get off my arse and order some.

I must strongly disagree. As a matter of fact i think it beeds wather a little bit better than rainx dose on my windshield. Also makes the car much easier to wash. its like cleaning a teflon pan.

-Dustin

harrydog · 05-21-2002, 08:09 AM

I've never tried Zaino's - might have to try it someday.
But right now I'm using both Pinnacle and Griot's wax and I'm very satisfied with the results.
Both of these waxes combine carnauba wax with polymers to give you the best of both worlds. Both of these waxes will last 5 to 6 months. Plus, there is something almost sensual in applying a good carnauba wax.
Pinnacle is a paste wax with very high concentrations of white (not yellow) carnauba. It is similar to Zymol except that it also contains polymers which help it to last longer than Zymol. And it smells good enough to eat.
Griot's Best of Show wax is a liquid which contains carnauba and polymers. Works very well also.

GM02WRX · 05-21-2002, 10:59 AM

How come no one has mentioned Megiuar's Gold Class?? That's what I used this last time and it's great! Nice deep shine, water sheets right off. Only complaint is drying time......it takes forever! I let it sit for about an hour and it was still a bit sticky in some spots. All in all, a really good wax w/ great results!

Mike&Michele · 05-21-2002, 12:55 PM

Another vote for Zaino. Have been using it for a year and the results are excellent. The first time you use it, it is a pain because of all the steps from Claybar thru multiple coats, but after that, maintenance is incredibly easy. And if you have questions that the site does not answer, just pick up the phone and give them a call.

Siper2 · 05-21-2002, 01:13 PM

Griot's is great from all I've heard...

Finish First was advertised a lot on Honda-Acura.net back a couple years ago when I was a member, it's good stuff supposedly...

I've used basic Turtle Wax the past couple of times. Not that I prefer to, but 100% natural hardshell wax is a bitch to find.

-S2-

wrxin' · 05-21-2002, 01:17 PM

zainos again.............best i ever used. and definately beads better than that rain x crap.......I forget the link but somone did a comparison between zainos and zymol..........zainos won ever category... but again it was only 1 study....you will be happy with zainos but i agree off the shelf i think meguires gold glass is the best.

Kris

pablowrx · 05-21-2002, 03:22 PM

Just Klassed the rod this weekend with All in One and Sealant Glaze. Works great and the application is easy. Just takes SG a while to cure.

I plan on putting another coat of SG on this weekend.

Paul

P.S. Nice thing about Klasse products as well, it will protect not only your cars paint but also plastic, vinyl, and glass.

mhbrown · 05-21-2002, 03:31 PM

Let's see.

I currently use:

Zaino on the WRX (not garaged); Klasse topped with Souveran carnauba on the garage queen coupe; Blackfire on the big sedan.

I used to use Zymol products (HD Cleanse, Carbon wax, Creame wax and Concours wax) on the coupe and sedan.

I can highly recommend Zaino, Klasse, Souveran (and most all the other Pinnacle products) and Blackfire. It is really a matter of preference.

Go to www.autopia-carport.com and visit the Autopia University to obtain information (and pictures) of all these products. That said, give me a properly prepared surface and I will make the car look better with Pledge than you probably will with any of these. It ain't the wax -- it's all in the prep.

Anyone want to buy my Zymol products? The finish looks good (maybe even great) for just about as long as it takes to apply. That says as much about the durability as the difficulty of application.

05-20-2002, 10:04 AM	#1
tracman Scooby Newbie Member#: 18747 Join Date: May 2002 Location: Washington Vehicle: 2002 wrx sedan sedona red pearl	Best Wax So which wax is the best, lasts a long time, and shine. Is the polyshield stuff any good, it is supposed to bont to the paint. Anyone ever used a poly paint sealer? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

05-21-2002, 03:22 PM	#24
pablowrx Scooby Newbie Member#: 17385 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nashvegas, TN Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Platinum Silver Metallic	Klasse Just Klassed the rod this weekend with All in One and Sealant Glaze. Works great and the application is easy. Just takes SG a while to cure. I plan on putting another coat of SG on this weekend. Paul P.S. Nice thing about Klasse products as well, it will protect not only your cars paint but also plastic, vinyl, and glass.

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jamz Scooby Guru Member#: 8725 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Portland MAINE Vehicle: 2013 iRacing Class C Trucks	It's a polymer though, not a natural wax, so it doesn't bead up water like real wax does. It does give a very very deep shine though, from what I've seen. I gotta get off my arse and order some.

05-20-2002, 02:12 PM	#6
BoobsScoob Scooby Newbie Member#: 16292 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Vehicle: 2007 JeeP purty	I use Finish First. It is liquid wax that is by far the easiest I've ever used. And you get awesome, deep shine. You can put it on and leave it in the garage overnight; then take it off the next day. Wipes off almost completely with one swipe. Great stuff.

05-20-2002, 03:18 PM	#7
Frederf Scooby Specialist Member#: 15622 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Campbell, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX SW WRB	Griot's Best of Show is excellent, as is Zymol Japon Wax (for Japanese cars) or Zymol Carbon Wax (for dark cars) or Sovernaun (sp).... etc http://www.autopia-carport.com Is basically an unlimited source of info.

05-20-2002, 03:34 PM	#8
Silverscooby27 Scooby Specialist Member#: 9124 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Dayton, OH Vehicle: 2013 Mustang GT/CS 2013 Ford Focus ST	Zymol (and not the junk at pep boys)

05-20-2002, 03:57 PM	#9
mitch808 Scooby Specialist Member#: 10228 Join Date: Sep 2001 Vehicle: 2002 Subaru WRX	Zaino's is not hte same as Zymol. Zaino's can only be purchased online and is the preffered of that name(s) However, as mentioned before, Griots Garage is the best out there and used on many many show cars. Although a bit pricey for some items, you get what you pay for. If your looking for better tehn good but not great results, Meguiars is also good, they have a 3step solution that is rather good, but they also have a whole lineup of professional quality stuff that can and will break the bank if you buy all of them but not all are needed of course. Personally for off the shelf stuff, here is what you can get with pretty good results and minimum shopping fuss 3M swirl mark remover Meguairs Show car glaze Meguairs Yellow wax

05-20-2002, 04:14 PM	#10
stupid fast 5.0 Scooby Newbie Member#: 17141 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Greensboro NC If you see a Red Stang dont even try Vehicle: 2002 WRX VTEC eater 2 93 Mustangs 255hp/932hp	The best in my opinion is Zymol Carbon for dark colored cars and Zymol Cream for light colors. Before waxing use Clay Majic spray and bar then Zymol HD cleanse. Once your done waxing you will never use anything else. http://www.emmonscoachworks.com/home.html This the cheapest place Ive found for these products.

05-20-2002, 05:10 PM	#12
hkwan Scooby Specialist Member#: 7536 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Jose Vehicle: 2005 WRX STi	Klasse is easy to apply and seems to be lasting relatively quite long. Very nice shine as well. Anyone else has experience with it?

05-20-2002, 05:55 PM	#13
Stripe Scooby Specialist Member#: 9820 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Katonah, NY Vehicle: 02 WRX WRB	I will give another vote for Zaino. I used to always use Mothers wax which is good too. Zaino takes alot alonger, but its worth it

05-20-2002, 08:29 PM	#14
2k2 NASIOC Supporter Member#: 12368 Join Date: Nov 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Pittsburgh,PA Vehicle: 2008 Infiniti G35X 2011 BMW X5 Diesel	I will give my vote to Zaino as well. Although some of you may feel that zaino is a Polymer and not a true "Wax" the fact remains that true waxes arent always the best solution for our cars anymore. Zaino and other polymers provide a level of protection that carnauba waxes can't come anywhere near. If you were to use Zymol Carbon on your car and wanted a nice shine you would be able to achieve that, most people who use carnauba like to say that it makes thier car "glow" , but zymol provides little protection and has very little durability. Carnauba waxes have a low melting and evaporting point and on a black car using a carnauba wax on a 80-90 degree day you will be lucky to have it last a few weeks. Also, carnauba waxes contain Parrafin which can tend to "tint" the car a little off from its true color, I am not saying this is bad, many people prefer the look of carnauba color compared to polymer but I prefer to see the "true" color of my car. Last, an application of zaino compared to any carnauba wax is almost apples to oranges, if you apply zaino properly it is the easiest "wax" to apply and remove. If your car is a garage queen you will not have to worry about durability though. Meanwhile, using a polymer (such as zaino or klasse) you get a much higher level of protection and durability. Zaino is known to last 6 months on a few coats and it is able to survive through harsh winters and scolding summers. Zaino is said to provide almost a plasticy shine to your car while klasse is said to provide a deep wet look. so in the end all it is pretty much what you want out of your wax. Durability, Type of shine and Protection. You will get a glowing beautiful shine with a carnauba but will lack the durability and the application can be tough. With Zaino you get a reflective plasticy shine and you will have the highest durability and ease of application. With klasse you will have a deep wet look and ease of application and durability. The argument of zaino over klasse could go on for years just the same the argument of carnauba over polymers would go on forever. It is all in the eye of the beholder which wax you decide to use. But there is one last thing to remember, your car will NEVER have the perfect shine you want without proper preparation, this includes, claying, swirl mark removal and other steps to get your paint to the point where the wax can take its full effect. Thanks for your time Bryan visit: www.autopia-carport.com for more information

05-20-2002, 10:21 PM	#15
Subie Gal GC84Ever Super Moderator Member#: 301 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: WA Vehicle: 2001 2.5 RS/70 Van 02 WRX Rally Stud	Griots Garage has some good products... but i too have to say that Zymol has done my cars (both of them) very well! the rally car has a clear coat on it... and it looks great!!! even 6 club rallies later!!! good luck in whatever you decide! cheers! Jamie www.subiegalracing.com www.subiegal.com

05-20-2002, 10:25 PM	#16
1quikrex Scooby Newbie Member#: 15329 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 508 Vehicle: 2002 WRX Platinum Silver (SOLD)	ZAINO,ZAINO, ZAINO!!!!!!!!!!!

05-21-2002, 12:48 AM	#17
M3sum Scooby Specialist Member#: 18226 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bellevue, WA Vehicle: 2001 M3 Laguna Seca Blue	I agree, Zaino!

05-21-2002, 08:09 AM	#19
harrydog Scooby Specialist Member#: 3773 Join Date: Jan 2001 Vehicle: 2002 WRX Sedan 2006 Outback 3.0R	I've never tried Zaino's - might have to try it someday. But right now I'm using both Pinnacle and Griot's wax and I'm very satisfied with the results. Both of these waxes combine carnauba wax with polymers to give you the best of both worlds. Both of these waxes will last 5 to 6 months. Plus, there is something almost sensual in applying a good carnauba wax. Pinnacle is a paste wax with very high concentrations of white (not yellow) carnauba. It is similar to Zymol except that it also contains polymers which help it to last longer than Zymol. And it smells good enough to eat. Griot's Best of Show wax is a liquid which contains carnauba and polymers. Works very well also.

05-21-2002, 10:59 AM	#20
GM02WRX Scooby Newbie Member#: 16989 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miami Vehicle: 2002 WRX Cobb Stg.2 PSM	How come no one has mentioned Megiuar's Gold Class?? That's what I used this last time and it's great! Nice deep shine, water sheets right off. Only complaint is drying time......it takes forever! I let it sit for about an hour and it was still a bit sticky in some spots. All in all, a really good wax w/ great results!

05-21-2002, 12:55 PM	#21
Mike&Michele Scooby Newbie Member#: 2252 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Phoenixville PA USA Vehicle: 2000 2.0 Swapped RS Sedona Red Pearl	Another vote for Zaino. Have been using it for a year and the results are excellent. The first time you use it, it is a pain because of all the steps from Claybar thru multiple coats, but after that, maintenance is incredibly easy. And if you have questions that the site does not answer, just pick up the phone and give them a call.

05-21-2002, 01:13 PM	#22
Siper2 Scooby Guru Member#: 1134 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Dillsburg, PA Vehicle: 2007 BMW 328xi wagon Silver	Griot's is great from all I've heard... Finish First was advertised a lot on Honda-Acura.net back a couple years ago when I was a member, it's good stuff supposedly... I've used basic Turtle Wax the past couple of times. Not that I prefer to, but 100% natural hardshell wax is a bitch to find. -S2-

05-21-2002, 01:17 PM	#23
wrxin' Scooby Newbie Member#: 15207 Join Date: Feb 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Maryland Vehicle: 2005 STI Crystal Grey Metallic	zainos again.............best i ever used. and definately beads better than that rain x crap.......I forget the link but somone did a comparison between zainos and zymol..........zainos won ever category... but again it was only 1 study....you will be happy with zainos but i agree off the shelf i think meguires gold glass is the best. Kris

05-21-2002, 03:31 PM	#25
mhbrown Scooby Newbie Member#: 12537 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Vehicle: '02 WRX Sportwagon WR Blue Pearl	Let's see. I currently use: Zaino on the WRX (not garaged); Klasse topped with Souveran carnauba on the garage queen coupe; Blackfire on the big sedan. I used to use Zymol products (HD Cleanse, Carbon wax, Creame wax and Concours wax) on the coupe and sedan. I can highly recommend Zaino, Klasse, Souveran (and most all the other Pinnacle products) and Blackfire. It is really a matter of preference. Go to www.autopia-carport.com and visit the Autopia University to obtain information (and pictures) of all these products. That said, give me a properly prepared surface and I will make the car look better with Pledge than you probably will with any of these. It ain't the wax -- it's all in the prep. Anyone want to buy my Zymol products? The finish looks good (maybe even great) for just about as long as it takes to apply. That says as much about the durability as the difficulty of application.