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Old 12-22-2009, 11:43 AM   #1
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Jenn is thinking about replacing her Mini. It's been good to her these past 6 years and 105k miles, but it's small, and the tight suspension might be wearing on her a bit.

She doesn't want to step back from what she already has in the Mini (heated leather seats, moonroof, premium sound system with steering wheel controls etc), but we also don't have a lot to spend (paying HUGE student loans, new house, her job isn't really making the money it will yet etc).

So she came up with a list of wants -

Everything she HAD, PLUS

AWD
Decent mileage
Bluetooth

Plus still something relatively small so she can get it in the open space of the garage (it's pretty filled with bikes and tools).

There aren't many vehicles that fit the bill and are under the $20k or so we'd like to spend. And even if we spent $30k most of em either get too big or get crappy mileage.

We narrowed it down to the SX4 (kinda cheesy), Matrix (kinda boy-racer) and the Impreza Premium (which we drove yesterday).

Now I realize it's 3 model-years newer than our Baja - but boy I kinda left that test drive pissed off!

The Impreza was great - but I'm jealous.

For less $$$ it will give her

Steering Wheel Controls for the 10 speaker sound system
Heated Mirrors
One touch OPEN and CLOSE moonroof! (which was pretty darn quiet open/at speed)
Heated Seats.

Just like my Sport Baja, you can't get leather, but I fixed that by having the dealer add heated leather to mine, so we could obviously have them add leather to the Impreza no big deal.

They said they could add the Bluetooth and the Ipod adaptor which is cool.

Our only complaint is that she'd have to go with an auto to get the Moonroof and the other stuff I mentioned earlier.

Now we just have to either negotiate a killer deal on our trade, or wait till spring and sell it privately.

Still, I'm pissed, just too lazy to try and add things like heated mirrors to the Baja.

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Old 12-22-2009, 01:22 PM   #2
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YOU GET A LOT OF BANG FOR THE BUCK! I just got my wife the 2010 Subaru Impreza 2.5i Premium w/Special Edition Pkg (not the Station Wagon) 5spd and with the all weather package 4 weeks ago and her and I love it.
I have a modified 06 wrx but now when we go out we take hers.Wait to see how good the stability control is in the snow.
As for speed and autocross racing I'll stick to mine, but for cursing, we'll take hers.

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The price listed at the time online was $18900. We traded our 2003/ 2.5RS/ 68,000miles and got $7000 for it.

We drove 45min one way to get this car and they had the best price in PA and MD.

PS: Don't forget you can right off the PA sales tax. for 2009 and 2010



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Old 12-22-2009, 01:40 PM   #3
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YOU GET A LOT OF BANG FOR THE BUCK! I just got my wife the 2010 Subaru Impreza 2.5i Premium w/Special Edition Pkg (not the Station Wagon) 5spd and with the all weather package 4 weeks ago and her and I love it.


The price listed at the time online was $18900. We traded our 2003/ 2.5RS/ 68,000miles and got $7000 for it.

We drove 45min one way to get this car and they had the best price in PA and MD.

PS: Don't forget you can right off the PA sales tax. for 2009 and 2010
Interesting - so on the SEDAN you can get the Premium package and the 5-speed - I'm under the impression (could be wrong, cause the brochures and website tend to suck) that you can't do that with the wagon... hmmm.

Yeah, the sales tax write-off is nice, of course the better you do on the trade, the less sales tax you pay anyway.

Thanks for the tip on the dealer, I'll check em out (though I'd PREFER to buy local and support my local dealer if you know what I mean).

Of course, we tried that yesterday (the dealer from whom we bought our last 2 Scoobies) and they were less than steller on their first quotes. Hell, the were THOUSANDS below even the low KBB numbers on the trade and literally HALF what the Suzuki dealer offered us on trade .
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Old 12-22-2009, 01:44 PM   #4
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Well, checking their website - maybe I'm wrong on the 5-speed/premium thing - looks like they have a 2010 5-speed premium wagon... hmmmmmmmmmm

EDIT - nutz - interior shots show it to actually be an auto - they just listed it wrong

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Old 12-22-2009, 03:22 PM   #5
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Still, I'm pissed, just too lazy to try and add things like heated mirrors to the Baja.
This is so easy even a caveman can do it.

I wish you the best of luck with dumping the mini. I have heard through my friends at the auto auction that they don't bring anything and it seems like everyone has one.

Aren't you near West Chester? If so please tell me you aren't going to Robert's Subaru. They suck.
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:54 AM   #6
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This is so easy even a caveman can do it.
It's not the difficulty, it's the laziness - I've got one motorcycle in pieces right now for a complete makeover and another that I need to pull the tank on to replace an ethanol weakend fuel filter, plus install heated grips and run some wiring for a better horn etc etc etc.



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I wish you the best of luck with dumping the mini. I have heard through my friends at the auto auction that they don't bring anything and it seems like everyone has one.
Actually they're still rated as one of THE BEST resale values out there.

Granted, it's probably not the best time of year, so no biggie, either someone will offer us a reasonable trade or we'll hang onto it and sell it ourselves come spring.

Hell, let's remember that only last year Mini was the only car company in the US to grow in sales (well, more than a single percent, I think Subaru was #2, but it was by a fraction). And the local dealers around here (Mini of the Main Line and Ottos) both continue to move them quite well.


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Aren't you near West Chester? If so please tell me you aren't going to Robert's Subaru. They suck.
Guilty, sorta. I mean, we bought our last two from there, but the salesman was a REAL ******* last time, and ironically he approached us when we showed up this time so we figured WTF we'll waste his time a little, get a test drive and talk some numbers - at least it will tell us what a crappy deal is like, then we can shop elsewhere.

We're living down closer to DE now, so we're talking with someone at Concordville and would probably prefer to buy there.

Shame, cause Roberts HAS actually treated us well, other than the one ******* saleman.
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:53 AM   #7
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Actually they're still rated as one of THE BEST resale values out there.

Shame, cause Roberts HAS actually treated us well, other than the one ******* saleman.
I like mini's (I would love to drive one sometime) but they make me mad because everytime I used to autox they would kick my a$$

Gee, I wonder if you and I have dealt with the same jerk at Robert's?
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:57 AM   #8
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I like mini's (I would love to drive one sometime) but they make me mad because everytime I used to autox they would kick my a$$
LOL, they are a BLAST to drive, Jenn's Cooper S is still as quick and tight as it was when we bought it brand new! Though they do EAT tires and brakes (especially if you drive in a binary manner as Jenn does - ON or OFF)

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In the sales department, mine's initials are N D

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Old 12-23-2009, 12:42 PM   #9
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Interesting conversation here guys but I'm not quite sure I understand why you'd be pissed about test driving an Impreza wagon?..

The Baja was short lived and based on a previous generation Legacy and I'm perfectly okay with that. It makes to better hold it's resell value. Not that I would sell mine.. I'm a bit of a loyalist.
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Old 12-23-2009, 12:48 PM   #10
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We narrowed it down to the SX4 (kinda cheesy)
why is it cheesy? It has everything you need
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:02 PM   #11
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Interesting conversation here guys but I'm not quite sure I understand why you'd be pissed about test driving an Impreza wagon?..

The Baja was short lived and based on a previous generation Legacy and I'm perfectly okay with that. It makes to better hold it's resell value. Not that I would sell mine.. I'm a bit of a loyalist.
I'm pissed (sorta, kinda, not really, maybe annoyed is better) that a LESS expensive (albeit newer) vehicle from Scoobie offers MORE than the Baja in certain features that I'd like to have.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Baja, it's not going anywhere (now).

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why is it cheesy? It has everything you need
It comes down to fit/finish. It doesn't FEEL as solid or well built as Jenn's Mini or my Scoobie. Cheaper interior materials, more tin-like doors.

Now I had a Suzuki built Geo Tracker back in the 90s and it was a GREAT little truck - totally overbuilt for it's size, tough as nails, don't think I ever made a single actual REPAIR to it (though I did wind up upgrading a lot of things on it for fun). It's POSSIBLE the SX4 would be just a tough and long-lived, however, it doesn't FEEL as well built as the Scoobie (nor put as big a smile on my face).

Of course they did offer us a RIDICULOUSLY better deal on the trade-in.

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Old 12-23-2009, 09:20 PM   #12
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Did you test drive a Legacy? Not much more money... great mileage... sweet ride.
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:17 PM   #13
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I just drove a '10 Legacy GT yesterday while my car was having the recall work done and I really liked it. Almost no turbo lag, really smooth and quiet, and hardly flinched at all the railroad tracks and potholes I drove it over. Interior quality was a huge improvement too.
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Old 12-26-2009, 11:20 AM   #14
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Did you test drive a Legacy? Not much more money... great mileage... sweet ride.
But it still is more money, and it's also a larger car, wouldn't fit in the garage with all the tools and bikes.

Besides if we went that route, we'd just go with the new Outback 2.5 and the CVT - that's a nice balance of features, size and MPG.

I'm expecting a call from one dealer today who is trying to locate us a 5-speed, premium wagon with special edition package in silver, white or grey.

If he can't, we MIGHT settle for the auto we test drove.

But as of right now it LOOKS like we're getting an Impreza...
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:13 AM   #15
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Well, looks like we've made a deal - details once it's closed next week.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:46 PM   #16
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Hey Kev you do realize it's only about 200$ to add the heated mirrors to the baja. It's prewired for it; it takes like an hour to do.

I'm working on the heated wipers soon hopefully!
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:46 PM   #17
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Hey Kev you do realize it's only about 200$ to add the heated mirrors to the baja. It's prewired for it; it takes like an hour to do.

I'm working on the heated wipers soon hopefully!

Seriously?

$200?

We're about to drop $3000 on the other "accessories" we're putting on Jenn's new Impreza, maybe I can talk her into letting me spend $200 on the Baja!

Is that price using new OEM parts or aftermarket?

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Old 12-29-2009, 08:21 PM   #18
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Oem parts: sorry it's more like $350 now.

Check out subarupartsforyou.com They want 149 for each mirror, heh used to be like 120.
I got the switch from the stealership, ~48$

You just have to confirm that the wiring is there, but given you have my exact model, I'd think you're okay. It's literally plug and play.

I added the factory leather and heated power seats. That was a bit pricier. I had to replace the in cabin wiring harness and re do the wiring for the fuel pump. I used the turbo harness that has the power for the seats. Then again other than moving two wires on the very last connector, that was pretty plug and play too. Wiring took about 8 hours, seats 4.


To do the heated windshield I need to find a vin off a canadian sport 5sp with the wiper heaters, so i can order the proper wiring harness. I think I have one, but wow the dealership in canada was stupid today:
ME: Hi I have a question about that black baja you have for sale. Does it have the heated wipers?"
MORON: "OH we just sold it."
ME: Okay i just need to know if it had that option, I'm trying to order parts for a similar one"
MORON "I don't know maybe if it was in the package"
ME: "Wait they're there picking it up now. Could you take a look?"
MORON "Oh I didn't sell it, my coworker did. Let me transfer you"
MORON2 no MORON^2: "Hi"
ME: "repeat same from above"
MORON^2 .............................
I ended up going round with parts who clearly can't help and then she wouldn't answer her phone. Stupid Bi+c4 grrr

Essentially she couldn't tell me anything about the vehicle she'd just sold. Hell; it had not even left the lot yet! Dear subaru please teach your salesmen a little. I suspect if I'd asked her if it had a glass windshield she couldn't answer.

That's the type of dealership I should bring mine to under warranty claiming my flux capicator needs it's fluid changed. I can't seem to attain 88mph.

k I'm better now thanks for listening
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:23 PM   #19
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Had the stealership install and paint the mirrors, $500, all said and done. Could not live without them in the Pacific NW. Would I do it again, in a heart beat. One of the only things that I will never be without, besides my satellite radio.

I have a set of painted, non heated mirrors if somebody wants them.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:59 AM   #20
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LOL Steve, I had heated leather seats installed before I picked the car up. Aftermarket leather (from Roadwire) but very well done and their aftermarket bun warmers are crazy hot - much better than stock.

Jenn's new Impreza (we're picking up later today) has the OEM bun warmers, but we're contacting the same people about the leather.

Back to the Baja - I should really look into those mirrors, though one of my motorcycles (which is currently disassembled for paint) is begging me to buy a second disc brake (kits are around $600, not sure I can sell both to Jenn right now).

Still, driving in that blizzard we had a few weeks ago damn I coulda used the heated mirrors!!!

So door panel removal wasn't too much of a PIA?

The switch mounts in the driver's side panel right?

You got me thinking about it.

Still - damn new Imprezas also have the one touch open/close sunroof, and steering wheel audio controls (beoch).

Ah, no big deal, life it good, still love my Baja!
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Oem parts: sorry it's more like $350 now.

Check out subarupartsforyou.com They want 149 for each mirror, heh used to be like 120.
I got the switch from the stealership, ~48$
Oh, what do you look for - mirrors and switch for a 2006 Legacy?
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Old 12-30-2009, 05:29 PM   #22
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if you want I will give you the vin to my old 02 OB that had the cold package and it had all the stuff that you would need to get this. I used it to order my parts.

Oh and when you are done sell your old mirrors on ebay...I made some good $$$ on mine
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on subaruparts for you they list the mirrors right there for the 06 baja.

The switch is off a 00-04 outback or canaidan baja (good luck on the latter, see above)

To be clear you have to replace the entire mirror control switch! The blank panel below the four way selector will then be occuipied. The whole unit just pops out, but you have to be extremely careful. It helps to have a second pair of hands as you GENTLY pry back the plastic on either side of the switch JUST enough so the tabs are free, slide out the old switch. The new one will just pop in no prying necessary.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:47 PM   #25
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THANKS GUYS - I'll check that out!

Well, it's official.

Closed on Jenn's new 2010 Satin White Pearl Subaru Impreza 2.5I Premium Wagon today.

We're pretty excited, I think it's gonna be a great car and it relegates the Baja to a new standing as it is now the older car (i.e. the "beater" - though I used the term loosely). Still it's kinda nice that the new is finally off the Baja, I can enjoy it more that way!

Now to convince Jenn that it's fair for her to get a new car and me to get new mirrors!
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