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Old 01-06-2010, 04:59 PM   #76
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I'm trying to juggle a few projects right now, including an 08+ sti turboback system and also a new turbo EL header design, but I think the axleback is first in line and then more NA products. All of these items take time to figure out exaclty what you want, what we can build, and the best product for a particular application. I'm trying to nail down a concrete date to begin the prototyping process for the axleback and I should know exaclty what's giong on the in the next day or two.
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:32 PM   #77
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^^ I am in line first for prototype test LOL!
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Old 01-09-2010, 08:47 PM   #78
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I bought my UEL replicas (shipped), RSP aluminized HFC (shipped), re-routed my O2 wires and had a Cat-back fabbed up for under $700. To buy a UEL header for $700 would NEVER happen. If you wanna join the $700 price mark, go EL, if you wanna join the UEL club, go lower than Borlas ($350). The replicas on mine fit perfectly and I havent had any issues. If you came out with a design that didnt require re-routing the O2 sensors than that would be something different, but honestly, re-routing them took about 2 minutes. If you wanna make money, IMO, go UEL. There has been more pointless UEL threads on NASIOC than I can count. Good luck!
..... Or, if you want to make money, (and what company doesn't), offer something that is not currently available, or a less expensive version of something available but pricey. I know that there are lots of 2nd gen. owners looking for quality parts for mods, but many would think twice before purchasing a header that costs almost as much as the car itself. - Products for the new models is good, or EL for single port heads, (before MS3 does it).
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:31 PM   #79
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Make sure the headers fit the legacy/forester also.
You've just doubled your demographic . Granted there aren't as many of those owners looking for performance mods but there definitely are some and if a slight variation can make it work on more vehicles why not.
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Old 01-10-2010, 12:25 AM   #80
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Just make sure the headers are fitted for 06+ impreza's and dont require any added equipment to install.
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Old 01-10-2010, 06:36 PM   #81
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Old 01-10-2010, 08:35 PM   #82
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As of tomorrow I will have a start date for the 00-05 axleback project and I'm going to delay the N/A header for a little while...... We're currently working on a completely new idea and design for a turbo header that will incorporate brand new turbo/manifold ideas. I can't say much right now, but I think once this design is complete it will give more insight into what an N/A header will look like.
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:57 AM   #83
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As of tomorrow I will have a start date for the 00-05 axleback project and I'm going to delay the N/A header for a little while...... We're currently working on a completely new idea and design for a turbo header that will incorporate brand new turbo/manifold ideas. I can't say much right now, but I think once this design is complete it will give more insight into what an N/A header will look like.
Well there goes UEL Oh well ive come to realize that the only way to make it work is to MAKE IT WORK as in the existing options. Curious to see the redesign of the redesigned turbo header
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:39 PM   #84
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aw man...the header is where it's at. axleback is just for sound. i think most people are looking for performance gains.

i know i've been shopping around for a used cobb for quite a while now. grimmspeed has been talking for a year or so now about designing NA headers.

don't put the headers to far onto the back burner....i'm game for either.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:13 PM   #85
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aw man...the header is where it's at. axleback is just for sound. i think most people are looking for performance gains.

i know i've been shopping around for a used cobb for quite a while now. grimmspeed has been talking for a year or so now about designing NA headers.

don't put the headers to far onto the back burner....i'm game for either.

I know....I wasn't planning on doing a new turbo product until after some N/A items, but timing is my issue right now with the turbo stuff so it has to be first. I wont forget about the header for the N/A cars, and it will be next on the prototype/production list after the turbo header.

I think we'll be starting the axleback project next monday, so at least there will be another option available beside the Stromung a few weeks from now!
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Old 01-12-2010, 07:21 PM   #86
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^^ Looking forward to the axleback updates, then the headers down the line!
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:50 AM   #87
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I'm down for a good sounding(non sewing machine), non cracking, bolt on uel header for my lgt.
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:29 AM   #88
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I'm down for a good sounding(non sewing machine), non cracking, bolt on uel header for my lgt.
They make those already and any UEL will sound bad when paired with a ****ty exhaust.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:29 PM   #89
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One month + into my full UEL setup and I still can't get adjusted to the sewing machine sound affects. When next to other cars in traffic, so darn loud, luckily my axleback is just as loud LOL!
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Old 01-17-2010, 10:50 AM   #90
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I'm moving the axleback info to a new thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...3#post29431633

Check it out and let me know what you think and I'd like some feedback on some exhaust tip options, so after I post some pics of the tips that I'd like to use feel free to let me know what you'd like to see for two of the "standard" tips. Thanks!
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Old 01-17-2010, 11:06 AM   #91
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I think a 4 into 1 stock looking header be would money something that would bolt rite up to a stock style exhaust just my 2 cents

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Old 01-17-2010, 12:17 PM   #92
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I think a 4 into 1 stock looking header would money something that would bolt rite up to a stock style exhaust just my 2 cents
agreed
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:42 AM   #93
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if the price for your UEL headers were set to 650-700. i'd go with borla headers with no hesitation.
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:58 AM   #94
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Just make sure the headers are fitted for 06+ impreza's and dont require any added equipment to install.
could not agree any more.

i just want a uel header that won't be difficult to install and won't require any modifications what's so ever.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:22 PM   #95
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I say make a UEL header similar to MS3 for older impreza (specifically for a single port)
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:11 PM   #96
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Currently Moore Performance has only dabbled in turbo exhaust products, but we are thinking of putting together a premium UEL header, catpipe/track pipe for 2.5 and 2.2 dual port N/A motors.

What we are thinking of offering is 100% 304 SS product with thick flanges, tig welds, and a LIFETIME WARRANTY that will come in multipe header pipe diameters. One design with smaller primary tubes will be geared toward non-built motor cars with traditional bolt ons, while the other design with larger tubes will be geared toward built motors, nitrous, etc.

We have been kicking around the idea for a while now b/c of the issues associated with other header products currently available on the market.

What I'd like to know is what you guys are really looking for and want, and would a price of around $650-$700 for the header be too much, even if the product would be superior to other products on the market today??

I look forward to hearing your feedback!
hell as long as you make it so I dont get the CEL code Im all for it Id hop on it as long as I could use it in my 2009
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:12 PM   #97
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Currently Moore Performance has only dabbled in turbo exhaust products, but we are thinking of putting together a premium UEL header, catpipe/track pipe for 2.5 and 2.2 dual port N/A motors.

What we are thinking of offering is 100% 304 SS product with thick flanges, tig welds, and a LIFETIME WARRANTY that will come in multipe header pipe diameters. One design with smaller primary tubes will be geared toward non-built motor cars with traditional bolt ons, while the other design with larger tubes will be geared toward built motors, nitrous, etc.

We have been kicking around the idea for a while now b/c of the issues associated with other header products currently available on the market.

What I'd like to know is what you guys are really looking for and want, and would a price of around $650-$700 for the header be too much, even if the product would be superior to other products on the market today??

I look forward to hearing your feedback!
well right now the OBX header is the best on the market for us and is $300. we don't seem to buy full exhaust systems in one hit so, the prices for individual header + cat sections and catback sections would need to be reasonable. $700 for just a header sounds insane unless you can engineer some kind of epic gains out of it.

in addition you'd need to provide dyno's of the individual components (so a full system vs stock headers & catback system) comparison for us as many already have catback systems.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:53 PM   #98
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^ OBX is the best.. for it's price. The TWE EL is 1000 bucks but gives you a lot of gains (albeit you need a proper tune).
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:45 PM   #99
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well right now the OBX header is the best on the market for us and is $300.
It's just not. I would love to say that it is, but I've owned one and it's just not. The quality is crap, there were missed welds, the quality of the metal was so poor that it rusted quickly (for alleged stainless) and it cracked at the collector is less than 9 months.

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The TWE EL is 1000 bucks but gives you a lot of gains (albeit you need a proper tune).
1) It's much less than $1k. The website just needs updating.

2) I've had a set of Borla reps, the OBX, and now the TWE. Frankly, the TWE is the only one worth buying. The Borla and the OBX were overpriced crap. Even though their initial prices were low, their performance and longevity were so bad that they were a ****ty value. The cost of the Borla rep plus the OBX is just a little less than the cost of the TWE. In other words, if I hadn't wasted my damned money on the crap headers, I could have had 2 sets of TWE's by now. Not to mention the TWEs are going to last longer and I gained 20hp over the OBX with them.



If Moore Performance wants to make a header, the big gap in the market is something priced at $450-$500 that won't crack, rust apart, or not fit. I would think it ought to be an EL design because no one is going to pay $500 for sound (or so I would think, I'm old and could be wrong ). I have had a Moore Performance catback in my hands. It was well made and well thought out. That gives me confidence that he could create a made-in-the-USA quality alternative, upper-mid priced header
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Old 05-08-2010, 12:08 AM   #100
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Quality and craftsmanship aside, I think the collector design plays a bigger part in the efficiency of the header. If an OBX design had a perfect merge collector on both th 4-2 and 2-1 transitions it might have made some impressive gains.

Don't be fooled, though. The quality of the bends/welds/alignment and design all go into the physical properties and efficiency of the header. The result is a sum of all the parts
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