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Old 12-27-2009, 08:21 AM   #1
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Default 2008 WRB STI AutoMaster T60R EWG - 471whp/470wtq

Event: Dyno Pull
Location: AutoMaster@Mamaroneck, NY
Ambient Temp: 70F (shop temp)
Elevation: 16 feet

Car: 2008 STI WRB
Tuner: Rob@AMR
Dyno Info: Dyno Dynamics (CF @ 1.0)
Peak HP: 471.8
Peak TQ: ~470
Target Boost: 25psi
Target AFR: 10.8
Fuel: 93 unleaded Sunoco Ultra + 100% Meth Injection

Modifications:
  • AMR Super StreetBlock SS25
  • AMR T60R Turbocharger (Bolt-on)
  • AMR Race Front Mount Intercooler
  • AMR Big MAF Intake
  • AMR 1200cc Injector Kit
  • AMR "Dual" Turboback Exhaust System with fully heat coat and 3" polished steel tips
  • AMR Sexy Race Header
  • AMR Custom Oil/Air Separator Kit
  • AMR Custom Up-pipe
  • AMR Electronic Boost Controller Solenoid
  • AMR TGV Deletes w/Match Port & Polish
  • AMR Turbo Inlet Hose
  • Tial 55mm Race BOV
  • Tial 44mm EWG
  • Cobb AccessPort v2 with PROTune
  • NGK 1 degree colder plugs
  • Walbro 255 fuel pump
  • Heavy Duty 6-puck ACT clutch kit
  • AEM Meth Kit with new upgraded 150PSI progressive recirculating pump
  • Diehard Gold Battery
Dyno Chart:




Notes:

The car is unbelievably healthy. I had a compression/leakdown test down before the addition of the EWG and 1200cc injector case (flowtested to .2 as per AMR spec). The results were around 2% all cylinders!

This car loves the EWG. The lack of back pressure allowed Rob to REMOVE 4 degrees of timing and I still made 20 more points in both HP and TORQUE (to the left of the curve). The T60R really shined this time around. At 3800rpms, power hits hard. On the dyno, I hit 25 pounds of boost and sustain it all the way till 7k. The T60R is a truly great everyday daily driver's turbo - a great balance of fast spool and top-end power. Its all in the tune!

Questions about my setup, AMR, etc., just PM me.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:25 AM   #2
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Nice numbers and nice setup. How is the EWG on the street?
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:41 AM   #3
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nice!
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:50 AM   #4
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That looks a great solid street and weekend set up - good work
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Old 12-27-2009, 12:23 PM   #5
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the shape of the torque curve is surely impressive imho.
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Old 12-27-2009, 12:55 PM   #6
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Sounds like a good set up, it's nice to see when the sum of a bunch of parts works well together. Any pics of the engine bay?
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Old 12-27-2009, 01:40 PM   #7
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Sounds like a good set up, it's nice to see when the sum of a bunch of parts works well together. Any pics of the engine bay?
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-membe...-its-fast.html

These are slightly older but its essentially that....and yeah, if you get the RIGHT PARTS and they all work together, its amazing how much power you can have.

I think my torque curve is VERY REASONABLE for daily driving. I don't have boost come on at like some in-sane RPM (I see tons of graphs where boost doesn't even begin to build until 4400rpm or higher, some of these builds look like EVO graphs! ).
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Old 12-27-2009, 02:00 PM   #8
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Impressive and gratifying. Comes on SO damn early. YIKES! What a hoot for the road.

I know you guys have been fiddling and adding to this combo for a while. Nicely done by all.

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Old 12-27-2009, 02:13 PM   #9
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Impressive and gratifying. Comes on SO damn early. YIKES! What a hoot for the road.

I know you guys have been fiddling and adding to this combo for a while. Nicely done by all.

Coop
Thanks Coop. Part of the issue was getting the curve right. The T60R is an impressive turbo (you know that already as a former owner) for what it is - which is a high performance stock replacement turbo.

I'm pretty sure with an E85 tune I could do high 10's pretty easily....i.e. just chomping through the gears, nothing dramatic.
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:32 PM   #10
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the ewg works very well with the t60r for sure. I hit 24psi and just hold it out past 7k. I love it.

I wish I believed in meth. My car is a beast now, i can only imagine what it would be like on alky.

Have fun with the set-up. We have to meet up at the track early this season!!
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Old 01-04-2010, 12:10 AM   #11
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the ewg works very well with the t60r for sure. I hit 24psi and just hold it out past 7k. I love it.

I wish I believed in meth. My car is a beast now, i can only imagine what it would be like on alky.

Have fun with the set-up. We have to meet up at the track early this season!!
Yeah, we will see what the ECPro can do for me with respect to throttle response. Rob@AMR tells me that the Cosworth unit is magic! We shall see.

I'm not sure where I want to go next with respect to power output - I guess rotated but I really like the T60R. I would do cams/valves and maybe let AMR machine the heads but what for? I really have no desire to rev past 7k on the street.

I guess now my goal would be 500/500 on Rob's dyno (CF of 1.0) BUT (a big one), hitting it below 4k.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:02 AM   #12
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7cm hotside?
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:23 AM   #13
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7cm hotside?
Yuppers. AMR only sells it in 7 (though I think Rob can fab an 8 but it really isn't necessary, my dyno chart proves it).
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:35 AM   #14
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OP, please edit your 1st post and remove the links. We only allow paying vendors to post links to their products, and even then links to purchase items are restricted to the classifieds. Thanks.
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OP, please edit your 1st post and remove the links. We only allow paying vendors to post links to their products, and even then links to purchase items are restricted to the classifieds. Thanks.
I have edited the post.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:37 AM   #16
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Yuppers. AMR only sells it in 7 (though I think Rob can fab an 8 but it really isn't necessary, my dyno chart proves it).

IC, the line at which a larger nozzle is necessary is somewhat fuzzy, so I have to say that for being a 7cm turbo your car puts it down. Im really curious as to what the 8cm chart would look like no matter how you say it doesnt need it. .. just cause i like to see the good and the bad
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:39 AM   #17
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Yuppers. AMR only sells it in 7 (though I think Rob can fab an 8 but it really isn't necessary, my dyno chart proves it).
I was thinking of going to a bigger hotside as well, but there isnt much point yet.

The 7cm isnt choking me at all, but I do know that around 490whp on the dyno Im usually on and the turbo starts taking the dive up top. Thats on meth, Im sure c16 would cure that with added timing.

I like the way your setup spools. Its about 800rpm faster than mine. Even on 97 octane you still got me by 550-600ish.

The meth helps alot there!

Im sure you have significant timing down low to aid in spool. Since im on pump, I cant run good timing there.

The car took 13 at peak torque but it wasnt worth running it on pump. 1 bad tank and....

Nonetheless, its a great turbo and I cant wait to try out some really good octane!!
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I was thinking of going to a bigger hotside as well, but there isnt much point yet.
You got it!

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The 7cm isnt choking me at all, but I do know that around 490whp on the dyno Im usually on and the turbo starts taking the dive up top. Thats on meth, Im sure c16 would cure that with added timing.
The T60R on Rob's dyno with a CF of 1.0 tops out at around 430-440whp before you run out of octane and are the edge on the ignition window.

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I like the way your setup spools. Its about 800rpm faster than mine. Even on 97 octane you still got me by 550-600ish.
Well. Do me a favor Mikey, next time you are on the dyno, put the CF at 1.0 and look at the numbers. Tell me what you see.

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My setup is using meth for purely knock suppression. I hit 10.8 AFR at boost and it stays there. Rob is not tapering out anything. God forbid I let him go hog wild on the damn thing.

To back this up:

I was 430/430 on 93 pump (check my IWSTI power bragging charts). We added the AEM Meth kit. Rob didn't touch a damn thing with respect to timing (just AFR). I was then 450/450 for awhile. 20 points of power with meth. That's not throwing any kinds of timing at the car!

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Im sure you have significant timing down low to aid in spool. Since im on pump, I cant run good timing there.
I actually have 4 degrees timing LESS than I had before the EWG (probably less back pressure). Its amazing what you can do when you understand how the tables on the 08 interact. You don't have to throw a lot of timing at these motors to get power.

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The car took 13 at peak torque but it wasnt worth running it on pump. 1 bad tank and....

Nonetheless, its a great turbo and I cant wait to try out some really good octane!!
You will love the T60R with the right octane. Its one of the best stock replacement turbos on the market (if NOT THE BEST for what it offers, quick spool and big power).
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Old 01-04-2010, 11:00 AM   #19
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IC, the line at which a larger nozzle is necessary is somewhat fuzzy, so I have to say that for being a 7cm turbo your car puts it down. Im really curious as to what the 8cm chart would look like no matter how you say it doesnt need it. .. just cause i like to see the good and the bad
I would make more uptop but not spool till past 4k.

If I you really want big huge power, go rotated (I'm talking 550+ on Rob's dyno which is well over 600 on a higher CF or Mustang etc.). Otherwise the T60R is your turbo! Its a little beasty....
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You got it!

The T60R on Rob's dyno with a CF of 1.0 tops out at around 430-440whp before you run out of octane and are the edge on the ignition window.

Well. Do me a favor Mikey, next time you are on the dyno, put the CF at 1.0 and look at the numbers. Tell me what you see.

My setup is using meth for purely knock suppression. I hit 10.8 AFR at boost and it stays there. Rob is not tapering out anything. God forbid I let him go hog wild on the damn thing.

To back this up:

I was 430/430 on 93 pump (check my IWSTI power bragging charts). We added the AEM Meth kit. Rob didn't touch a damn thing with respect to timing (just AFR). I was then 450/450 for awhile. 20 points of power with meth. That's not throwing any kinds of timing at the car!

I actually have 4 degrees timing LESS than I had before the EWG (probably less back pressure). Its amazing what you can do when you understand how the tables on the 08 interact. You don't have to throw a lot of timing at these motors to get power.

You will love the T60R with the right octane. Its one of the best stock replacement turbos on the market (if NOT THE BEST for what it offers, quick spool and big power).
I ran the car on 1.2 but for the hell of it after making 432 I jumped out of the car and switched over to 1.0. I think it was like 368whp, which is more than enough to put an STi over 120+ traps. I take dyno numbers lightly, as a dyno is only a tool. It would be interesting to throw my car on Rob's dyno and see what it makes though.

I ended up leaving with 440whp @ 22-23psi on 1.2. The intake temps were hard to fight on the dyno. I added another psi on the street, just about 24psi on pump. Not really sure what its good for, but my airboy went up 13whp throughout the graph.

Its funny, we run the same WOT A/F's. My car loves being phat. I even ran 10.5 at one point, flat, and the car took to it.

When I started playing with the car, I was running 12.0 air/fuels on pump as I always have with my stock turbo cars. It worked fine but I was pushing it when surpassing 20psi.

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Mikey, you're crazy.
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Old 01-04-2010, 12:19 PM   #22
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I ran the car on 1.2 but for the hell of it after making 432 I jumped out of the car and switched over to 1.0. I think it was like 368whp, which is more than enough to put an STi over 120+ traps.
368whp which is almost exactly 20% less than 432. So that makes perfect sense. Dyno's don't lie. How you interpret the numbers is a different story. That means I should dyno around 560+ at CF 1.2.

On Rob's dyno, 400whp on his DD with a CF of 1.0 is 120mph. Every 10whp is another 1 mph (). So 450 is 125. 500 is 130 which is a high 10's pass. That's the magic number for AMR customers who want CONSISTENT 10's street cars.

Rob did 10.9 at 480 on pump (with 100% supporting mods) I think with LC. It was a perfect run for him. I think even he will admit if he had to do that consistently, he would titer between high's 10's and low 11's.

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I take dyno numbers lightly, as a dyno is only a tool. It would be interesting to throw my car on Rob's dyno and see what it makes though.
I think that would be awesome! I'm sure Rob would do it. I'm also 100% positive he would let you set up the CF or verify all the settings to ensure total accuracy. Heck we can dyno my car next to it you like (I am going in for a tune shortly when I get my ECPro). Just PM me.

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I ended up leaving with 440whp @ 22-23psi on 1.2. The intake temps were hard to fight on the dyno. I added another psi on the street, just about 24psi on pump. Not really sure what its good for, but my airboy went up 13whp throughout the graph.

Its funny, we run the same WOT A/F's. My car loves being phat. I even ran 10.5 at one point, flat, and the car took to it.

When I started playing with the car, I was running 12.0 air/fuels on pump as I always have with my stock turbo cars. It worked fine but I was pushing it when surpassing 20psi.
You got to realize that subaru runs it rich at 14.7psi. For good reason!

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Every 10mph is another .1 second.
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I think he meant every 10whp is worth 1mph???
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i know. isnt that obvious from me quoting it and making a joke about it?
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