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Old 01-03-2010, 12:30 PM   #1
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Default Anyone have large stock location #'s on a 2.0?

I'm trying to find someone whos got some proven power with a large stock location turbo (like a blouch 4.0) on an EJ20?? Hope someone can help! Thanks!
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Old 01-03-2010, 12:56 PM   #2
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searching is pretty cool too!

also check out the 2.0 forum as there's a thread with big turbos "600+cfm"

you would also find that i had a green on my 205 and now on my 207

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Old 01-03-2010, 12:56 PM   #3
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Way back in late 04 or early 05 I think I did a FP Green on my 207 swapped WRX. Got 405whp on Turbotrix Dynojet but was only able to trap 116.9 as my junk clutch just slipped in the upper gears

That and the header always leaked and blew apart when I tried to go over 22psi boost.

Not to much HP but it was done a long time ago so
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Old 01-03-2010, 07:16 PM   #4
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it blows my mind that people can somehow use google or another search engine to find NASIOC. Register on nasioc. Figure out how to post on nasioc. EVen find the PPB forum all by themselves...But then turn completely retarded.

See that button up on the top right.....search. hit that, then click on ppb, then type dom4, then hit search.
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:26 PM   #5
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it blows my mind that people can somehow use google or another search engine to find NASIOC. Register on nasioc. Figure out how to post on nasioc. EVen find the PPB forum all by themselves...But then turn completely retarded.

See that button up on the top right.....search. hit that, then click on ppb, then type dom4, then hit search.
Yeah **** hole thats been tried. I get 012801863 results for STi's with dom 4s or WRXs with STI swaps and dom 4s.
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:34 PM   #6
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well look at the 2.5L's and then infer 500rpm more lag and 30whp less.

or try using ej205 and ej207 and "search thread titles only"

and the dom4 is new and wasnt out back when the 2L was still around so try other bigger turbos like the SZ49, SZ55, SZ60, SZ65, FP Red, GT49, GT65, APS SR turbos, etc.

Heres my HTA Green (56 lb/min) on my 2.2L.


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Old 01-03-2010, 11:37 PM   #7
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i'm running fpred 8cm on a built 205....^^^ lol...2l was still around...
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Old 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM   #8
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well look at the 2.5L's and then infer 500rpm more lag and 30whp less.

or try using ej205 and ej207 and "search thread titles only"

and the dom4 is new and wasnt out back when the 2L was still around so try other bigger turbos like the SZ49, SZ55, SZ60, SZ65, FP Red, GT49, GT65, APS SR turbos, etc.

Heres my HTA Green (56 lb/min) on my 2.2L.
Thank you, a helpful post. I'll try those other turbos. The difference in displacement would affect the tq more than anything, would it not?
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Old 01-04-2010, 12:35 AM   #9
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yes the tq would suffer some. also the 2.5l doesn't like to rev as high as the 2l. however driveabality on the 2.5 would be a little better. but if you don't really care about the lag, the 2l is a good platform. in my opinion the lag isn't as bad as ppl say all depends on what you want in a build..
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Old 01-04-2010, 08:22 PM   #10
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Search for threads started by: Dug-e-fresh, he had a 2.0L + 35r = 433whp on 93

I'll have a 2.1L + 35r finished in a month or so.
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:59 AM   #11
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yes the tq would suffer some. also the 2.5l doesn't like to rev as high as the 2l. however driveabality on the 2.5 would be a little better. but if you don't really care about the lag, the 2l is a good platform. in my opinion the lag isn't as bad as ppl say all depends on what you want in a build..
EJ205 is a solid motor. You are going to have difficulty finding "big" turbos though as anything larger than a 18G is not well suited for a 2.0L that is reving to 7k rpm. Having a 1k rpm powerband sucks...
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Old 01-05-2010, 12:10 PM   #12
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I'm having trouble convincing myself to redo the entire car to get a 2.5 in there. If i'm going to swap blocks I may as well swap heads to get rid of HLAs. I'm in Iraq right now saving up for my build, 12k down so far, as long as nothing comes up I should be at 20 by the time I get home, thats for the engine/fuel/management/tune. Later funds will fund drivetrain issues. My goal is 500whp.
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i have clocked 10's on a 2.0l with fpred
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Old 01-05-2010, 12:28 PM   #14
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Old 01-05-2010, 01:11 PM   #15
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I'm having trouble convincing myself to redo the entire car to get a 2.5 in there. If i'm going to swap blocks I may as well swap heads to get rid of HLAs. I'm in Iraq right now saving up for my build, 12k down so far, as long as nothing comes up I should be at 20 by the time I get home, thats for the engine/fuel/management/tune. Later funds will fund drivetrain issues. My goal is 500whp.
You dont have to redo your entire car to get a 2.5 in there.....you could just put the shortblock in there and work your heads. if you want 500whp the easy way just get a 2.5L with forged internals and a gt35r kit. You have the money so theres no reason to do a 2.0 and a bolt turbo unless your tring to do something different.

Is this going in your L?
Whats are HLAs?
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HLA- Hydrolic Lash Adjusters. Old technology on the early Subaru engines that hinder the ability to rev high. I've tossed around the idea of swapping a newer sti engine in, but then comes the big issue of OBD-II electronics and the headache that comes with them. I can't run a rotated setup on my car because of it being RHD, all the kits would put the turbo right where my master cyl is, so it would have to be custom manifolds. Which is mainly why I am looking strongly into the idea of a SLT like a dom 4 or an fp.
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Why dont u sell that hunk of chit and buy a used STi for 10K......pull the motor and do the pistons and slap a gt35 on it.
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Old 01-05-2010, 01:31 PM   #18
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lol.

1) because i've always been in love with the GC chassis.
2) the gc is considerably lighter than the newer GD chassis.
3) i love rhd, and it would probably take all of my build money just to get a stock RHD GD
4) my car already has a **** ton modifications done, don't really want to start over
5) high power GDs are everywhere, GCs aren't as common. If I wanted to do what everyone else was doing, i'd go back to the Honda world I left, and make big numbers for a helluva lot cheaper.
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I'm having trouble convincing myself to redo the entire car to get a 2.5 in there. If i'm going to swap blocks I may as well swap heads to get rid of HLAs. I'm in Iraq right now saving up for my build, 12k down so far, as long as nothing comes up I should be at 20 by the time I get home, thats for the engine/fuel/management/tune. Later funds will fund drivetrain issues. My goal is 500whp.
500 whp is not going to be attainable on the EJ205 without SERIOUS modification to the motor (the EJ207 some people are talking about is the 2 liter non-USDM STi motor that revs to 8,000 rpm stock and is not sold in the US). Not enough flow / rpm for the EJ205 to hit 500 whp.

With the amount of seriously expensive work that it would take to massage an EJ205 to reliably produce 500 whp over and over, just get yourself a bigger block / STi motor. It will cost less and you'll have a more driveable car.

FWIW, I think that the "average high whp" (stock internal) EJ205 is about 330whp. This is typically on an 18G or 20G with alky. This is also highly dyno-dependant. Some folks put down 350whp, but that is far from normal and I would not pin my hopes on attaining that.

Sorry for the long message, but I'd hate it if you came home and started spending sick amounts of money on a white elephant.
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Old 01-06-2010, 11:08 AM   #20
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Hahaha, I appreciate it man. Its an EJ20G just for the record, not a 205. Not really too sure of how they handle power compared to each other. The issue i'm having with doing an STi swap is the OBD issue for one, and 2, if i use my 20g heads on a 2.5 how well they are gonna manage..
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Hahaha, I appreciate it man. Its an EJ20G just for the record, not a 205. Not really too sure of how they handle power compared to each other. The issue i'm having with doing an STi swap is the OBD issue for one, and 2, if i use my 20g heads on a 2.5 how well they are gonna manage..
I see. Those 2 motors may be WORLDS different, AFAIK. Honestly, a call/email to a good shop known for swaps might be the best thing you can do. It is possible / likely that it is a direct bolt on block.

Also, if you have not already, you might want to poke around the 2 forums under the 2.5 turbo forums. There are a couple discussion about this same motor going on right now. Good luck!
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Old 01-06-2010, 01:32 PM   #22
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I'll check out that sub forum. Usually isn't anything good on there when I check it.

As far as i've read in my research the EJ20G head needs to be machined to match the STi block correctly.

Once again, I appreciate the assistance!
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there are folks selling ej257's in the classifieds all the time.....for cheap.

I understand you wanting to be different with RHD and the L, but is it really worth all the extra hassle and $$ to be different?

Wouldnt you rather have a faster more reliable car done in half the time for half the money?

IMO it would probably be cheaper to buy an STi and make it look like an L........seal the rear doors and shave the handles. remove the bumper beams, subframe, put in some CF seats and the weight wont be an issue.
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Old 01-06-2010, 01:39 PM   #24
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there are folks selling ej257's in the classifieds all the time.....for cheap.

I understand you wanting to be different with RHD and the L, but is it really worth all the extra hassle and $$ to be different?

Wouldnt you rather have a faster more reliable car done in half the time for half the money?
Its worth it to be different, yes.

I don't plan on having a half ass car, which is why i've been researching different options and different setups on different engines, in different cars that are the most efficient. I've been researching since July, i've seen what a 2.5 can do. Just having issues finding any 2.0s under 400hp. And I guess now I see why. I'm not totally against the idea of a 2.5, was just hoping to utilize what I already had.
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im just trying to offer advice. I thought the same way when i was 22. Now i look back and wish i had done things alot different.

I wish i would have bought something like this, stock location gt30 (element gt52).....400whp capable on pump+meth.

$13,500. 2004 sti, built motor, etc etc. Mold the rear doors and shave the handles and make it into a 2 door. sell your L and have a 400whp car for $10,000

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...light=2004+STi
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