PROBLEM!! crank case sensor, wont start in the morning

sike43 · 01-06-2010, 08:29 AM

hey guys, i am having a problem with the car.. i was getting a check engine light for the crankshaft position sensor. i replaced the sensor and it still comes on. any ideas? also my car never wants to start in the morning. so i go to work come home and it starts right up. i dont get it but its making me crazy. i called subaru two days ago to get an estimate on a valve cover gasket because i think that is leaking too @ about 4:30pm the guy tells me i will call you in the morning.. i waited..no call. called him back at about 4:30 another guy says he will call you in 10 mins he had my name and number right there the guy never calls back so im about to call them back but i think its just plain crazy that these guys dont want my money.. has anyone changed a valve cover gasket? if so how hard is it going to be. i know its a tight fit..
PLEASE HELP.
thanks, Mike

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spinningcain · 01-06-2010, 09:41 AM

not to hard.. Look for a writeup

sike43 · 01-06-2010, 10:20 AM

im not too worried about the valve cover gaskets at the moment. i am more worried about getting the car to even start.. these two items ------>

"hey guys, i am having a problem with the car.. i was getting a check engine light for the crankshaft position sensor. i replaced the sensor and it still comes on. any ideas? also my car never wants to start in the morning. "

i tried heating stuff up with a hair dryer but it didnt help

Haelan · 01-06-2010, 02:15 PM

What's the exact CEL code? The service manual should have a good list of items to check to diagnose the issue with the CPS.

KnifeyMcShanker · 01-06-2010, 03:12 PM

I've seen a few cars come in with messed up wiring for the CPS. Trace it back a bit and see if it got buggered up.

Haelan · 01-06-2010, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnifeyMcShanker

I've seen a few cars come in with messed up wiring for the CPS. Trace it back a bit and see if it got buggered up.

Just to add to that--a couple nasioc members had one of the wires pull right out of the electrical plug for the CPS. Looked like the wire was jammed in there, but not properly electrically connected.

Uncle Scotty · 01-06-2010, 08:24 PM

and just an FYI here

WAY too many of these happen because somebody---in a galaxy long long ago......posted a DIY on doing a turbo swap....which includes instructions on how to make the car crank and not START to pre-lube the turbo....

and these instructions

FALSELY and ERRONEOUSLY include the ABSOLUTELY ABSURD AND TOTALLY UNNECESSARY STEPS OF UNPLUGGING THE CAM AND CRANK ANGLE SENSORS WHICH POINTLESSLY AND NEEDLESSLY MAKES ****ING THEM UP AN ALL TOO OFTEN REALITY

and ALL you have to do is PULL THE ****ING 'IGN' FUSE
AND NO ****ING WITH THE CAM AND CRANK SENSORS IS NEEDED OR WANTED

S0000000000 kiddies..........if you do any turbo swap and the instructions include disconnecting ANY sensors to pre-lube the turbo after install

DON'T

Uncle Scotty · 01-06-2010, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sike43

hey guys, i am having a problem with the car.. i was getting a check engine light for the crankshaft position sensor. i replaced the sensor and it still comes on. any ideas? also my car never wants to start in the morning. so i go to work come home and it starts right up. i dont get it but its making me crazy. i called subaru two days ago to get an estimate on a valve cover gasket because i think that is leaking too @ about 4:30pm the guy tells me i will call you in the morning.. i waited..no call. called him back at about 4:30 another guy says he will call you in 10 mins he had my name and number right there the guy never calls back so im about to call them back but i think its just plain crazy that these guys dont want my money.. has anyone changed a valve cover gasket? if so how hard is it going to be. i know its a tight fit..
PLEASE HELP.
thanks, Mike

do NOT take the car to Eddie Accardi Subaru

THAT would be a mistake

sike43 · 01-07-2010, 02:21 PM

ok i figured out why she wasnt starting.. needed a new starter.. going to pick that up in a bit. now i am still needing to find out why i am getting a check engine code for the the crank position sensor..

Haelan: the exact code was/is P0335 Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit Malfunction.
do you have a service manual handy so i can get a good list of items to check to diagnose the issue with the CPS.

i will look at the wiring when i get back from getting the starter.. thanks guys.

sike43 · 01-07-2010, 02:26 PM

i also wanted to ask about oil in the intercooler and throtle body, when i was removing the i/c for access to the starter. i found the oil in there. should i be worried? please give me some in put on that as well.

Haelan · 01-07-2010, 02:37 PM

You do know that a malfunctioning CPS will cause your vehicle to not start, right? How did you determine it is the starter--I'm assuming it's not cranking over?

The only thing the services manual mentions is checking the CPS (which you already replaced), the wiring harness, and the connection at the ECU.

Some oil in the intercooler and throttle body is normal. Blowby tends to accumulate in those areas so unless it's a small lake of oil--don't worry about it.

sike43 · 01-07-2010, 06:09 PM

no i did not know that..
i think the starter was going because.. when i put the key in and turned it sometimes it took a second or two for the engine to start then sometimes nothing happens when i turn the key just a click when i let the key go. its been intermittent. i hit it with a screwdriver and it started.
i still havent looked at the wiring yet. so i will check that.
whats the best stuff to clean the intercooler with? will brake cleaner work or should i just simple green it.

Haelan · 01-08-2010, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sike43

whats the best stuff to clean the intercooler with? will brake cleaner work or should i just simple green it.

You can flush out the residue with a bit of gasoline.

Uncle Scotty · 01-08-2010, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sike43

no i did not know that..
i think the starter was going because.. when i put the key in and turned it sometimes it took a second or two for the engine to start then sometimes nothing happens when i turn the key just a click when i let the key go. its been intermittent. i hit it with a screwdriver and it started.
i still havent looked at the wiring yet. so i will check that.
whats the best stuff to clean the intercooler with? will brake cleaner work or should i just simple green it.

d0000000000d....if the sensor is dirty

or the sensor is bad

it wont want to start

if it isnt unplugged
it IS bad

replace it

the damned cel code is TELLING YOU WHAT IS WRONG

stop screwing around with the damned starter and the bloody intercooler

penusai · 01-08-2010, 10:25 PM

its called blow by, search it.

sike43 · 01-09-2010, 04:45 PM

come on scotty dont be a tard here. I REPLACED THE SENSOR ALREADY!!!!!!! the starter was part of the problem.. the starter is rebuilt and installed and i havent had a problem with it yet.

IIdiceII · 01-09-2010, 07:32 PM

check the wiring to the cps. i had my one wire literally fall out of the connector to the cps and the car still started but drove HORRIBLE. it eventually stopped starting and wouldnt turn over. I got a spare connector, soldered it on and havent had a single cps issue since.

01-06-2010, 08:29 AM	#1
sike43 Scooby Newbie Member#: 35596 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Fort Pierce / Vero Beach, FL Vehicle: 03 wrx wrbp	PROBLEM!! crank case sensor, wont start in the morning hey guys, i am having a problem with the car.. i was getting a check engine light for the crankshaft position sensor. i replaced the sensor and it still comes on. any ideas? also my car never wants to start in the morning. so i go to work come home and it starts right up. i dont get it but its making me crazy. i called subaru two days ago to get an estimate on a valve cover gasket because i think that is leaking too @ about 4:30pm the guy tells me i will call you in the morning.. i waited..no call. called him back at about 4:30 another guy says he will call you in 10 mins he had my name and number right there the guy never calls back so im about to call them back but i think its just plain crazy that these guys dont want my money.. has anyone changed a valve cover gasket? if so how hard is it going to be. i know its a tight fit.. PLEASE HELP. thanks, Mike * Registered users of the site do not see these ads. Last edited by sike43; 01-06-2010 at 08:38 AM.

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sike43 Scooby Newbie Member#: 35596 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Fort Pierce / Vero Beach, FL Vehicle: 03 wrx wrbp	im not too worried about the valve cover gaskets at the moment. i am more worried about getting the car to even start.. these two items ------> "hey guys, i am having a problem with the car.. i was getting a check engine light for the crankshaft position sensor. i replaced the sensor and it still comes on. any ideas? also my car never wants to start in the morning. " i tried heating stuff up with a hair dryer but it didnt help

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KnifeyMcShanker Scooby Newbie Member#: 193874 Join Date: Nov 2008 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Sacramento, CA Vehicle: 2003 Impreza WRX Sonic Yellow	I've seen a few cars come in with messed up wiring for the CPS. Trace it back a bit and see if it got buggered up.

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sike43 Scooby Newbie Member#: 35596 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Fort Pierce / Vero Beach, FL Vehicle: 03 wrx wrbp	ok i figured out why she wasnt starting.. needed a new starter.. going to pick that up in a bit. now i am still needing to find out why i am getting a check engine code for the the crank position sensor.. Haelan: the exact code was/is P0335 Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit Malfunction. do you have a service manual handy so i can get a good list of items to check to diagnose the issue with the CPS. i will look at the wiring when i get back from getting the starter.. thanks guys.

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sike43 Scooby Newbie Member#: 35596 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Fort Pierce / Vero Beach, FL Vehicle: 03 wrx wrbp	i also wanted to ask about oil in the intercooler and throtle body, when i was removing the i/c for access to the starter. i found the oil in there. should i be worried? please give me some in put on that as well.

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Haelan Scooby Specialist Member#: 151045 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NW Indiana Vehicle: 2013 Subaru STI CBP	You do know that a malfunctioning CPS will cause your vehicle to not start, right? How did you determine it is the starter--I'm assuming it's not cranking over? The only thing the services manual mentions is checking the CPS (which you already replaced), the wiring harness, and the connection at the ECU. Some oil in the intercooler and throttle body is normal. Blowby tends to accumulate in those areas so unless it's a small lake of oil--don't worry about it.

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sike43 Scooby Newbie Member#: 35596 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Fort Pierce / Vero Beach, FL Vehicle: 03 wrx wrbp	no i did not know that.. i think the starter was going because.. when i put the key in and turned it sometimes it took a second or two for the engine to start then sometimes nothing happens when i turn the key just a click when i let the key go. its been intermittent. i hit it with a screwdriver and it started. i still havent looked at the wiring yet. so i will check that. whats the best stuff to clean the intercooler with? will brake cleaner work or should i just simple green it.

01-08-2010, 10:25 PM	#15
penusai Scooby Specialist Member#: 102808 Join Date: Dec 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Queens, NY Vehicle: 2002 v8 EJ207 v7 6spd FP Green	its called blow by, search it.

01-09-2010, 04:45 PM	#16
sike43 Scooby Newbie Member#: 35596 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Fort Pierce / Vero Beach, FL Vehicle: 03 wrx wrbp	come on scotty dont be a tard here. I REPLACED THE SENSOR ALREADY!!!!!!! the starter was part of the problem.. the starter is rebuilt and installed and i havent had a problem with it yet.

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IIdiceII Scooby Guru Member#: 90438 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: New York	check the wiring to the cps. i had my one wire literally fall out of the connector to the cps and the car still started but drove HORRIBLE. it eventually stopped starting and wouldnt turn over. I got a spare connector, soldered it on and havent had a single cps issue since.