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Old 05-22-2002, 11:42 AM   #1
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Post JIC Coilovers VS. TEIN Coilovers?

Anyone have any experience with JIC coilovers? I was looking at the TEIN coilovers but then saw som JIC 15 way adjustable from the bottom and they also have like a 50 or 60 mm piston shaft. The price on the JIC was $1800. Are these good?

My WRX will be an every day driver as well as a Autox car and track car, so I want something that is great for handling and performs well.

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Old 05-22-2002, 11:48 AM   #2
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both companies are good. tein has been around longer so you know their products have been proven time and time again. JIC is a fairly new company and has to establish their reliability, quality, customer service, etc....still. they do have some nice products though. only time will tell. from what everyone has posted that have them, they are all good reviews.

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Old 05-22-2002, 11:49 AM   #3
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Depends what Tein's you are talking about, as they oofer a far greater selection than JIC.

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Old 05-22-2002, 11:50 AM   #4
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JIC is a new company? been around for ages in Japan.....
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Old 05-22-2002, 12:11 PM   #5
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I would say unless your gonna step up to the $2200 price tag of the TEIN RA, you are much better off with the JIC FLTA2's because its very similar, yet a much better "value" at $1800.

If i always had my heart set on TEIN RA's and couldnt swing the extra cash, i would definetely go for the JIC's!!!

you wont be dissapointed either way.

Again remember to compare similar models between the two manufacturers. You cant beat what you get from JIC at that price.


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Old 05-22-2002, 02:48 PM   #6
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my bad adam, i mistyped it. i meant to say that jic is new on US soil. hopefully their customer service will be as great as teins is in the US.
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Old 05-22-2002, 03:02 PM   #7
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Tein RA's are not $2200. They can be had for much less. I bought mine from Bottle for well under $2k.

Also, I have no experience w/ the Jic's, but on paper they seem just as good as Tein RA's, Cusco Zero2r's, Zeal B6's, ect ect. And for a cheaper tag.

I do have the Tein's though, and they kick booty. I'll be doing a track event on them soon too...either August or October...I will post my impression then too.

I'd say go for the Jic's if you want. They seem great.
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Old 05-22-2002, 05:04 PM   #8
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I got my JIC FLTA2's here havent had a chance to put them in but they look amazing. I used to have Tein HA on my previous car and they were nice. But JIC has been around in Japan for years and are trying to make their name in the US now. So give it a try. I 'm sure you wont be dissapointed. BTW I ordered mine through the guys at www.dvmotorsports.com
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Old 05-22-2002, 09:31 PM   #9
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There's a reason Tein is the number 1 suspension manufacturer in Japan. They offer the best combination of quality, flexibilty, model choice and customer service. Tein actually has a US office whereas JIC USA is an outsourced company which is so bad that I have dropped JIC from my lineup.
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Old 05-22-2002, 11:26 PM   #10
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What's so bad about JIC USA? I have a set in the mail & I'd like to know.
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Old 05-23-2002, 02:28 AM   #11
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Thanks for all the replys guys. I do appreciate it. I am looking for something stiff and not to bouncy, Not sure what the real difference is between RA's and HR's from TEIN. Still have some reaserch to do on coilovers.

And as far as the piston size (20-40-50-60mm) the JIC's i looked at had like 60mm pistons. Would it be beter to get 50 or 60 vs the 20 or 30mm? I know for rally racing you want bigger but for auto x, and track days would I need somthing that big? Plus its an every day driver.

Thanks for the input, and one more thing, where are some good places to purchase these coilovers on the net, be it Tein or JIC at reasonable prices?

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Old 05-23-2002, 03:00 AM   #12
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I personally feel that Tein is overrated as are DMS. Personally if you can you should try and find the Bilsteins (I don't know who can get them in the US) they seem to fit the profile of what you are looking for. Don't get caught up in the 15 way or 24 way adjustable there are fabulous coilovers that have only 4 way or 3 way adjustability (For example the Group N ohlins coilovers from Prodrivve) and Research for yourself and definitely ignore Vendor opinions they all seem to have their own motivations especially on this board (NOt directed at Adam but at the vendors as a whole).
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Old 05-23-2002, 03:47 AM   #13
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bilstein's rep told me they are working on the brake line brakets.. if you are talking about pss9 or something c/o

i know tein's or jic are good but sorry, personlly i'll take Bilstein any day
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Old 05-23-2002, 04:07 AM   #14
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I actually disagree with you on that one, i think TEIN is heavily underrated, and thats the way i would like them to stay.

If you think about it they should have alot more market share in the aftermarket japanese world of the US.

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Ohlins, Bilstein, or Proflex (only the rally suspension) all the rest don't even come close.
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Old 05-23-2002, 06:28 AM   #16
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I personally feel that Tein is overrated as are DMS. Personally if you can you should try and find the Bilsteins
I can't agree with your DMS comment. I have driven WRX's with Tein RAs, Cusco, Bilstein, Ohlins, Proflex and Drummond. I personally settled on the Drummond 50mm (which were valved for GTP Track use). I have never even seen a JIC shock let alone driven a car with them on so I can't comment on them.

Generally I am not a fan of the Japanese suspension gear as I find that they usually have poor low bump compliance and are over priced (in OZ anyway). They most often have limited range (lots of clicks but not a lot of valve change) of adjustment, and rely on high internal pressure which results in too much stiction and poor small bump compliance. The work ok as a track shock or on billiard table smooth japanese road, but are average for fast real road work IMHO. Data logging the suspension travel on some of them has been a real eye opener, even with lighter spings in them.

The Bilsteins are very good value, but are not in the same league as the others mentioned. In saying that, for the price difference I would choose the Bilsteins over most of the Japanese offerings.

The Ohlins (46HRC) are simply superb, they are IMHO the very best shocks on the planet for a WRX, but are very very expensive. They are available in both rally and road race versions, but are AU$8-12k a set.

The Drummond DMS 50mm are a magnificent shock, although perhaps more suited to road/rally than track work. I say this because they have only a 4 step rebound control, but a 20 step compression circuit control. I would like a little finer rebound control for the track and less compression control as I don't have to worry about blowing through the travel with a big hits on the track. On the road it makes sense though as you can run a slightly lighter spring for comfort with just a quick turn up of the comp circuit to really stiffen it up. For a track/hillclimb/tarmac rally car come road car, I think that the Drummonds are an excellent choice. I have seen plenty of too stiff Jap suspension cars get all uncomfortable deep into braking ripples and start skipping the surface. With the DMS I have never had the shock fade, and they are built like tanks! They have a massive shaft which means low low internal pressures and very good small bump sensitivity.

The Proflex are also an excellent product and would be the only (other than track Ohlins) shock I would choose for a track only work. I would only choose them over the DMS product for a race car. If it is even only a w/e car I would still choose the DMS product for value for money.

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Actually, if you factor in the pillowball camber adjustable top mounts that the Teins & JIC FLT-A2's come with, the Bilsteins or H&R's work out to be about the same price, because they don't come with top mounts!
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I agree that the Ohlin PCV are incredible shocks but super pricey and hard to get in the US. The Tien offers a variety of apps depending on what you plan to do with the car, from a street SS kit to the HG gravel/rally kit. I personally use the RA kit which is their highest grade suspension for street/track. It is all alluminum and uses inverted struts (45mm) with pillow ball mounts.
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Thanks for all the replys guys. I do appreciate it. I am looking for something stiff and not to bouncy, Not sure what the real difference is between RA's and HR's from TEIN. Still have some reaserch to do on coilovers.

And as far as the piston size (20-40-50-60mm) the JIC's i looked at had like 60mm pistons. Would it be beter to get 50 or 60 vs the 20 or 30mm? I know for rally racing you want bigger but for auto x, and track days would I need somthing that big? Plus its an every day driver.

Thanks for the input, and one more thing, where are some good places to purchase these coilovers on the net, be it Tein or JIC at reasonable prices?

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where did you see that JIC is 60mm piston??
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What's so bad about JIC USA? I have a set in the mail & I'd like to know.
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...from an inventory perspective, they aren't like Tein, but they are getting there slowly but surely.
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I have tried to do business with JIC USA in the past and they NEVER return any of my phone calls or e-mails. I gave up after a while. If they treat a dealer like that I can't imagine how they treat a customer.
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SKC while I agree with you about the comment that DMS are very good for the price they just aren't good enough for me, TO the original poster you said that you will be doing autocross and some track (I would guess no more than two times a year) get bilsteins they will be more comfortable and will be available soon here or you can import them and fab some brake line brackets. THey are really popular in the UK and they have a lot more experience with these cars then people in the US. I just think that tein are crap just a personal thing and I don't like their warranty. Ohlins will be releasing a 36mm coilover in the US for the GDA soon according to some posts in this forum if you can wait I sould tell you to get those or the Bilsteins you cannot lose with either of those choices, the y will have top notch engineering.
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Old 05-24-2002, 10:52 AM   #24
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where did you see that JIC is 60mm piston??
I saw the JIC's at a local speedshop. The guy said for memorial day weekend they will very possibly have a set on sale. Thats why I was asking about JIC. I didnt want to make the decision to buy and then I walk into something I dont like. I like to hear what everyone knows and thinks first.

tifosi77 Yes I will only be doing a few track days and Autox due to me being very busy. So I may just end up waiting.

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Ok, I will clear up a lot of crap in this thread.

The JIC FLT-A2 uses a 50mm piston.

They are inverted struts that make them MUCH stronger.

They are compression AND rebound adjustable.

They have softened dampening compared to the JDM units and can be ordered with custom valving and spring rates.

JIC USA is not an outsourced company. They are merely an American office. 4 months ago they hired an American to give everyone better service. I carry both the Teins and JICs, they are both very high quality, but for the money, you will do much better with the JIC setup.

JIC is local to me, so if they have it in stock, I can ship it the same day. Please email me for the best price possible.

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