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Old 01-08-2010, 07:18 PM   #1
Acro2Pilot
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Default Going for 5in lift, need Baja owner in N. VA area for documentation and measurements

I am going to pick up a Baja this summer and I am shooting for 30in tires and about 5 in lift, perhaps a touch more. The measurements look pretty tight. I really need to get with Baja owner and do some measurements, taking pictures etc. that will let me get started designing this before I actually get the truck so that I can be more prepared. I can come to you or you can come to my place and I will buy you lunch. I live about dead center between Warrenton and Culpeper.

I am not setting up to produce kits but I will document the whole build to share with others. I know that posts like this can be questionable given the presumed difficulty of lifting a Baja that much. I assure you I am very serious and have already built both a turbine powered XT and an 82 Brat with 12 inches lift running 33x16 swampers that had a transfer case and an H6 among many other mods. My Brat work can be seen on my website www.subarubrat.com
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:16 PM   #2
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Now THAT will be interesting to see. It sure has potential!
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:33 PM   #3
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I'm a tad further away in south eastern PA - (near DE), but if you get stuck I could probably make a trip down your way this spring...
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Old 01-10-2010, 01:13 PM   #4
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I hope it won't come to that, I see a few Bajas a week in the area and I am sure I will stumble across someone. There are a few finer points that aren't clear from the manual as compared to a legacy. The problem is that a world of difference exists between a 4 inch lift, 6 inch, and say a 12 inch. All three are possible but demand a very different approach. A four inch is pretty straightforward and can be done in a weekend or two and you generally don't have to deal with double knuckle steering, brake line extensions, and any tire size increase you would be looking at can be compensated for with a few extra horses.

When you get into the above 4 inch lift range the engine starts to sink in the engine compartment and you have to do a more elaborate lift with connecting struts and gussets etc. You also get into more difficult steering linkage, brake lines, and other issues.

At around 8 inches you essentially have to fabricate an entire frame linked front to rear as well as an engine/tranny cradle, raise the engine back up to its normal place and then the driveline gets complicated. You have to fab a short shaft between the tranny (which you have to lock the center diff on) and a transfer case you must fab in mounts for that will then need a new shaft to the rear as well as the trouble of mounting a diff at the front crossmember under the engine. At lease Subaru has made it easy by making the rear diff the same width as the front tranny diff so that a rear diff can be used in the front. Good news is you can correct for gearing and get a true 4low.

And naturally as you go up the problems, and costs multiply and you go from a two weekend job with near stock drivability into a year long project with daily driver no longer in its job description. My goal is to go for 30's if possible, but I will settle for 29's, and to do so with the minimal amount of lift needed. The real bugger is that you can open up the front wheel well some, but the rear is limited by the door so you just have to work with what is there. If there was an extra inch or two you could use less lift to gain the same tire clearance. So the real goal in lifting a Baja and keeping it as a daily driver is to mate the wheel well size with the width of that section of the tire that would be present at maximum travel. And of course to keep the tire size increase modest. I expect I will up the engine a modest 50hp or so, add a tranny cooler, and perhaps more aggressive brakes.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:22 PM   #5
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Im in Woodbridge VA... kinda close... Id be down to help you out.



I WANT A LIFT SO BAD....


edit** after checking your link I realized I used your truck in one of my ScoobyTruck.com Banner Ideas... Im YBajaSteve over there too....
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Old 01-10-2010, 08:49 PM   #6
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I am going to pick up a Baja this summer and I am shooting for 30in tires and about 5 in lift, perhaps a touch more. The measurements look pretty tight. I really need to get with Baja owner and do some measurements, taking pictures etc. that will let me get started designing this before I actually get the truck so that I can be more prepared. I can come to you or you can come to my place and I will buy you lunch. I live about dead center between Warrenton and Culpeper.

I am not setting up to produce kits but I will document the whole build to share with others. I know that posts like this can be questionable given the presumed difficulty of lifting a Baja that much. I assure you I am very serious and have already built both a turbine powered XT and an 82 Brat with 12 inches lift running 33x16 swampers that had a transfer case and an H6 among many other mods. My Brat work can be seen on my website www.subarubrat.com
Holy Crap I thought you fell off the end of the earth....
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Old 01-11-2010, 02:40 PM   #7
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It sounds very tempting but would really need a 2-speed transfer case in order to 'off-road" with ............... just my2cents
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:35 PM   #8
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Depends on the goal, I have built and driven single ratio Subarus, as have many people, and off roaded them just fine. Off road is a broad spectrum, are we talking Icelandic hill climb or playing around in sand, snow and light trails? My son has a Jeep Wrangler with 4 inches lift and 33x15s on it and to get a Subie to that level is a massive undertaking, including a Tcase as both you and I mentioned. I am not looking to build a hardcore offroad subie truck, just more capable off road and still capable of daily driving. That said, never underestimate a Subaru offroad. What vehicles are suited to is subjective, 3 years ago I had someone tell me a Lotus is not suitable as a daily driver, 49,000 miles and a big fat supercharger later I am still grinning ear to ear.
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:55 PM   #9
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3 years ago I had someone tell me a Lotus is not suitable as a daily driver, 49,000 miles and a big fat supercharger later I am still grinning ear to ear.
there is so much win in this statement!

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Old 01-12-2010, 07:27 AM   #10
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Right behind my STi in the driveway, I drive them 50/50 or 25/75 depending on my wife's mood.

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Old 01-12-2010, 12:19 PM   #11
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very sexy machine (the Lotus and the STi for that matter). did you ever finish up the Lambo?
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Old 01-14-2010, 07:11 PM   #12
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I live in Alexandria, VA (Fairfax County) by the Huntington Metro Station. What year Baja are you getting? 2005-06 are a few inches higher than the 03-04 models. Mine is a 2003.
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