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Old 10-06-2005, 05:10 AM   #1
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Exclamation access port thread

if you have an ap, post up

also post a list of what else you have on the car. I'm pretty impressed with the results from mine, but have noticed quite a difference from map to map. I'd like to hear what others are running map wise and mod wise.

if anyone has a time slip with the ap please share that too.

if anyone is selling or wants to get rid of/trade their ap post that also.

if anyone is wanting an ap post it, along with planned/existing mods.

if you are running witch's brew(mixed gas ) share the ingredients/results with us.

if anyone wants to see the difference they can make post it. I'm willing to offer some seat time, and I'd love to drive others with different mods to see the effects.

I think there are more of these up here than i thought, mainly due to ease of use. I occasionaly bump into them in customers cars, people that do not hang out here.

engine management for $600, imagine that. available locally to boot.

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Old 10-06-2005, 05:34 AM   #2
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i'm looking to run AP stage 2 with a helix DP on my car in the near future.
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:54 AM   #3
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good idea on the thread jerry. i was wanting to know what the stage 2 STi would do. by way i still wanna hook up and drive your car and see the effects first hand.

(AS I AM LOOKING FOR ONE...HINT HINT)
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Old 10-06-2005, 12:24 PM   #4
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planning on getting one to run w/ my catted uppipe and future catted downpipe by Spring. do I have to do the entire turbo back exhaust to go stage 2? i hope not...
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Old 10-06-2005, 01:16 PM   #5
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i am running stage 2 ap.. only mod, is bov, bosal downpipe, crucial uppipe,
running the regular stage 2 map. pretty happy with it.

best time at track was 13.9 a couple months ago.
last week with no gas, using the g-timer ran 13.47... hope to run that
at the track next year.. heheh.
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Old 10-06-2005, 01:51 PM   #6
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Am also running stage 2 AP, with the California 91 oct map. I have a cobbled together exhaust system-- Helix UP and DP's with the stock center pipe/resonator and a TurboXS 2.5" axleback.... but it runs and sounds NICE.
No alky injection or other mixes, although I really want to talk to some of you guys that have been using those. I've been very happy with the AP(over 12k mi) - driveability/power is much better and gas mileage was not affected, except when you USE that power...

I would enjoy meeting some of you guys and comparing setups, power, etc. I'll plan to make a meet soon. I won't have a time slip to show until I have enough money for a weekend car (a nice, modded, sti, evo, vette,...) until then I don't plan to ever launch it.

This was a good idea for a thread.
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Old 10-06-2005, 01:56 PM   #7
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planning on getting one to run w/ my catted uppipe and future catted downpipe by Spring. do I have to do the entire turbo back exhaust to go stage 2? i hope not...
I haven't read about AP for the LGT, but on the wrx and sti, all that is *required* for stage 2 is an aftermarket downpipe. Of course, they always run better with the turbo back.
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Old 10-06-2005, 02:40 PM   #8
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Am I the only one that did a double take with this thread where a continental employee is asking about the mods board members have done? I'm sure he's cool about it, but I just found it ironic.

In my last swapped GC8 I ran the AP VF34 map. Good for mid 12's at 110-112 mph. Probably low 12's with a better clutch.
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Old 10-06-2005, 02:55 PM   #9
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I haven't read about AP for the LGT, but on the wrx and sti, all that is *required* for stage 2 is an aftermarket downpipe. Of course, they always run better with the turbo back.
http://cobbtuning.com/legacy/power-s.html#stage2
Looks like they recommend the TBE for stage 2.

However, an Accessport will gain you some power without a TBE. You just would be running a different map and not have the power potential as a stage 2.
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Old 10-06-2005, 05:30 PM   #10
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I am running an AP stage 2. I use the cali gas map. My only power mod is the cobb TBE with hi-flow cat. I have an up-pipe and headers that I am hoping jerry can install for me some time soon.

Lover707: you are running the standard stage 2 91 oct map? Have you had any trouble with knocking?

Has anyone used the fuel economy map? Is it worth it?
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:58 PM   #11
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no trouble at all.. i have been using the standard map for 2 months now..
was using cali map for the past 6 months.. the standard map feels a little
stronger.. u feel the pull more..gforce..

what is this knocking u guy are talking about..
there is no strange noise or cel light at all..
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:01 PM   #12
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Hope to get a Bosal uppipe and stage one someday. Catback for the sound...

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well, i got this off PL Tek's website:

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The Stage 2 was tuned on a car with a full turbo-back system. If you have pieced together a less than optimal combo of parts or those that were not designed to work together you may not get the full benefits of the Stage 2 AccessECU. Boost may not come on as quickly and the peak power may be down from those that have a well designed full turbo-back system. If you have replaced the first section (second cat or downpipe section) and nothing else, then the Stage 2 map is what we would recommend. Again the results will be far less than optimal, but it will control the boost better than the Stage 1. If you have replaced sections 2-4 (third cat, mid-pipe, and muffler section then you are still Stage 1. You managed to get all except the part that makes the most difference. Again, we want to reiterate that Stage 2 will only get the intended results with a well designed complete turbo-back.
looks like i can go stage 2 w/ the uppipe and downpipe only.
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Old 10-07-2005, 01:28 AM   #14
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Who sells APs locally?

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Old 10-07-2005, 01:30 AM   #15
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Stage 2 with crappy catless ebay exhaust. got an air hog filter in the stock box as well. i had to take off the intake, mbc, and change my bov to recirculating to fit the ap stg. 2. it's pretty quick except for the leaky up pipe. also got amsoil in everything. not sure if that's helps performance wise,but i feel better about pushing my car. i've also tried using torco on a 93 oct mape. it seemed really noticable on wet days. for once i had to lay off a bit to get traction. jerry it's coming in tomorrow for an oil change. take it out if you get time. if not then someother time for sure.
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Old 10-07-2005, 02:05 AM   #16
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Who sells APs locally?

Winslow
I don't think anyone does, in AK. A good way to go is order one online from Cobb- www.cobbtuning.com or Subaru of Dallas- www.hotsubarus.com
Subaru of Dallas usually can ship from stock, which Cobb wasn't doing too well, at least when I bought mine.
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Old 10-07-2005, 02:12 AM   #17
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actually i believe you can order one from continental
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well, i got this off PL Tek's website:...looks like i can go stage 2 w/ the uppipe and downpipe only.
That's correct. Cobb's writeup for the LGT AP looks identical to the one for the WRX. If you install an aftermarket downpipe, Cobb recommends going to the stage 2 map.
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actually i believe you can order one from continental
It's about time.

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Old 10-07-2005, 03:20 AM   #20
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actually i believe you can order one from continental

correct! at internet pricing even.


well i'll share my ap results,

went straight to stage 2 91, with 3"turbo back, sti uppipe, k&n drop in, silencer delete, and gfb pulleys. felt great, but had audible knock. went to 91 cali, and no more knock, but more laggy.

then I tried torco, holy crap went to stage 2 93, major power gain. i mix 1/2 can per 10 gallons for this, might try less in the future, but it works very well at this mix ratio. no knock, verified with the subaru select moniter scan tool reading knock sensor output and timing retard degrees. I'll never go back to the 91 maps. then i sold my dp, and put the cats back on. went to stage 1, still very fast, very little lag, but less top end.

after a while i decided wth, I'll hollow the cats out and see what happens. with the stock dp hollowed out (this is an extrememly easy mod, took less than half hour!) and back to stage 2, feels like more torque than with the 3" dp. I'm thinking the cobb is tuned with the cobb dp, which retains the factory donut gasket, as the factory dp does. the 3" dp put me out of the tuning window slightly, imo reducing a/f accuracy and power.

I am serious when I say I can dump the clutch and instantly spin all 4 kuhmo 225 mx's to redline in 1st, till the car catches up. couldn't do this with the 3" dp. strange the stock dp is better, but this just solidifys my next statement.

with this info, I'm thinking the street tuner to modify the map to suite "non-cobb" exhausts would make more power on those setups. obviously a protune would be ideal, but then we're back to the same issue as other em's, no dyno around.

all this said, if anyone out there with an ap has not tried torco, you are not getting the full effect. they are like peanut butter and jelly, a match made in heaven. the biggest gain you get from the ap is timing changes, not boost. the timing will be retarded without the torco. alchy will enrichen the mixture and conflict with the ap. get a can of torco, download the latest 93 map, and feel what it's like to drive a lagless car.

I have tried the econ map, but then what's the point of a wrx? very frustrating when the guy next to you is pulling away cause you're getting good mileage. I have not tried the hwg map, cause i hit target boost. i have a friend who has, he claims it's faster. i may try it.

I also have a coworker with stage 2 on a stock catback, and hks non-bellmouth dp and sti up, works very well. the catback feels restrictive though.

a major benefit of the ap is the ability to read cel codes and clear the ecu memory, as well as being a digital boost guage. since this isn't mentioned above.



I would be interested in hearing others results with torco, especially if you are using less, cause i'm going to try less.


loth, you should hollow out that 3rd cat. it's easy, took less then five minutes to do that one. also knock is a faint sound, hard to hear but because i fix cars for a living i'm very in tune to it. it sounds like rapid sporadic ticking, like a clicker noisemaker, coming from the dash area as it transits through the bulkhead the easiest. window down you'll never hear it. If you are running the 91 standard map i guarantee you are getting a little on our local piss they call supreme. the third cat could be reducing it though.

I don't think it's advisable to run stage 2 with an uppipe cat, as it can overheat easily with a rich mixture. stage 2 is richer than 1 for sure, as evidenced by the soot in my tailpipe.

I hardly ever backfire anymore, compared to all the time without the ap.

Biggest mistake I ever made in my mod path was not starting out with the ap. those of you with stock cars, it can benefit you hugely even with completly stock intake + exhaust.

I sure hope cobb makes more maps in the future, they just came out with a 100 octane map for the sti stage 2, i wish they'd do the same for us 2.0 guys. it'd be nice to have an occasional extreme map.


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Old 10-07-2005, 03:41 AM   #21
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hey jerry, you ever hollow out a 3rd cat?

you can get an AP at continental??!!!??!!

will they take subaru bucks??
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Old 10-07-2005, 11:29 AM   #22
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well i'll share my ap results,....
THANKS! Now, that's a lot of good information. Torco and a 93 map, hmmm.
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I'd like to try a tumble valve delete mod with the ap also. it may screw with things but only one way to find out.


anyone ever use real time maps? I've heard conflicting info on them, so I've avoided them until now.
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I'd like to try a tumble valve delete mod with the ap also. it may screw with things but only one way to find out.


anyone ever use real time maps? I've heard conflicting info on them, so I've avoided them until now.

wanna mess with mine?
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Old 10-08-2005, 01:33 PM   #25
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anyone ever use real time maps? I've heard conflicting info on them, so I've avoided them until now.
I have mostly run the stg 2 cali map as a base and have a few real time maps loaded on the AP-> stage 2 cali, stock and economy. I switch to a RT stock map occasionally, just to note the difference in power from stock to stg 2. I recall reading somewhere that Cobb highly recommends loading the base map for whatever max power level you are modded for/and plan to use. Then you can use RT maps to temporarily step back to economy mode or valet mode or whatever.
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