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Old 01-09-2010, 02:39 PM   #1
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Default Would like opinions from people that went from Sedan STi to Hatch STI....

I miss my 06 STi but they no longer make anything like it obviously.

I'd like to purchase a new car, and I wont buy anything else for a daily driver other than an STi.

Basically, I'd like to hear from those of you that went from Sedan STi to Hatch STI and tell me what you find better / worse about the new car vs the old one.

Are you happier with the hatch, did you get used to it quickly? Do you find it useful? Are they better handlers or are people dreaming? Is acceleration still as good as the old... Tell all please.

Basically you are talking me into buying the car.. My next oil change is due at 200,000 miles and I'm running out of time.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:09 PM   #2
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OT but why not just rebuild instead?
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:19 PM   #3
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200K is on my Legacy - I was going to buy a RWD sports car but got into motorcycles recently so have to buy a less expensive car so I can also ride sport bike.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:27 PM   #4
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I have an 05 STi and have test driven the 08+ at meets/events. First impressions are it is much more sloppy. The suspension has way more give accompanied by a seat that is worst than what was in my RS stock. I do like that the position of the seat has been dropped lower though.
Engine wise it very comparable, you might be disappointed that the WRX has, I would say, just as much low down grunt as the STi now a days.
Again that is just a couple drives, I have no knowledge of its utility or daily mannerisms.

Cliff notes - Plan on new suspension and seats
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:38 PM   #5
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I was afraid you were going to say that.. about the seats and suspension. I haven't had the time to even go look at one in person yet, but I'll make it a plan someday soon.

I read all the threads about how the "WRX is a better value than the STI" because of the bump in power but for guys like us "in-the-know" you buy an STI because you want 6 gears and DCCD.. it makes the world of difference in how you can drive the car, and how much fun you can have doing it.

Not to mention I can't go with out fat fenders on all 4 corners, I love widebody vehicles.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:46 PM   #6
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Don't go with the new hatch backs. I feel like you won't be happy after having an 06. I just feel like you won't like the look of the car after having one of the best looking models. I am really hoping they change the body soon but if I were you I would get an 07 sti and put some nice upgrades on the car with the money you saved by not buying a new one. Why did you get rid of your 06?
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Old 01-09-2010, 04:03 PM   #7
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The dealer sold me a car which some how was mixed up with an identical one at birth... they couldn't locate the person that signed my title and "owned my car" so they bought it back from me.

I went on to get my 97 supra and the rest is history.

I have been daily driving this terribly sluggish 98 legacy wagon for a year now just because I honestly couldn't find a vehicle I liked enough to buy anymore. At least its a 5 speed? Oh and it's funny because this car has so much oversteer I can't hit the gas with out losing the rear end in the rain.. talk about backwards? I thought it would understeer.

It is very hard for me to get over the looks of new subaru.. i feel like they are asking me to pick between a corolla and a focus.. 2 cars I wouldn't like to own.

If it weren't a subaru I wouldn't even consider it.. but I've had such great reliability and service from 05 Legacy 04 Wrx 06 STi and 98 Legacy that I wanted another (new) subaru.. but don't need anything bigger than impreza.. and wont settle for anything less than the top model.

On a different note.. I probably wont be doing anything more with this car other than driving it normally on the street. No mods, etc.

Mainly due to the fact that It's very hard to hop off your motorcycle and into a car.. the difference is unreal how slow cars feel compared to bikes. When I want thrills I rely on the bike, so this car will actually be driven just for the sake of enjoying a car I can scoot around with in all weather with good power.
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Old 01-09-2010, 04:28 PM   #8
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People are saying the new WRX and the STi are pretty similar in terms of power. But meh, I don't think so, the 6 speed and the DCCD makes the STi unique. You sure you want the top of the line? If I recall correctly, you can get one of the new WRX limited models with leather and HID lights? If you're not going to do anything but DD'ing the car, I'd go with STi since it makes plenty of power. If you are iffy about modding, go with the WRX
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Old 01-09-2010, 04:43 PM   #9
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Well, top of the line in terms of performance and mechanical bits. I like cloth seats over any others because they don't really change temperature.

Do the 09/10 models come with out a sunroof? I hate glass roofs..

It's starting to sound like I might have to buy a used / different car

and here i thought people were excited about the new cars and would wanna tell me to buy one.. haha.
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If you're not going to do anything but DD'ing the car, I'd go with STi
This logic doesn't make sense to me.
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huge fan of the sti. and i know what you mean about 6 speed. but if it were me and i was DDing the car i would consider the wrx. Sounds like you would be happiest finding a used 06 07
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Well, top of the line in terms of performance and mechanical bits. I like cloth seats over any others because they don't really change temperature.

Do the 09/10 models come with out a sunroof? I hate glass roofs..

It's starting to sound like I might have to buy a used / different car

and here i thought people were excited about the new cars and would wanna tell me to buy one.. haha.
The Premium package has the sunroof. You can probably opt for the base package with heated seats, mirrors, and wipers as addons.

Also, I've seen a few rumors that a sedan STI might come out in 2011. Of course, this is only speculation and has no fact backing it. Maybe if you wait a year you might get lucky?
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:02 PM   #13
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I had an 07 STI, I now have an 08 STI.

The 07 was nicer looking from the outside. I prefer the look of a sedan. I do prefer the newer hatch to the older wagon style. Better sized wheels (18 X 8.5) help the looks out some, even at stock height, they don't have the gaping wheel gap of the GD. The less flashy exterior also attracts much less attention than the winged F&F looking GD style. That's a positive and a negative, but generally, I like passing by a bored cop and not getting the look.

From the inside, no comparison. The GR got almost all the little things right. All the HVAC, radio and other assorted lights are the same color. It has steering wheel controls for the radio. The gauges look nicer. The seats and carpet definitely look nicer, what with the leather and alcantara, rather than cloth and alcantara. I prefer the grey and black in the GR models to the BLUE AND MORE BLUE of the GD's, but that's personal choice. The seats are supportive enough for most driving. The GD seats seemed to have better side bolstering, but they were no race seat either. The new ones are more comfortable. The doors seem to open wider, making getting in and out easier, especially in the back. The rear is more comfortable (I have kids.)

The car is quieter, in my 07 the frameless windows were a little noisier when rolled up. The ride is less harsh (i.e. softer) than the GD but a noticeable amount. The suspension, while feeling softer, tracks around turns faster than I comfortably could in the 07. It feels softer, and handles better.

The car accelerates the same. Supposedly, the 08 has 305 hp compared to the 07's 293hp, but in practice... Just as fast. It feels slower stock then 07 did, mostly because the softer suspension isn't beating you up. Once tuned, the turbo spools up sooner than my 07 did. My best 1/4 mile time in the 07 was 13.2, the best in the 08 was 13.1 both at the same track. The GR stops faster than the GD. Larger tires and a slightly more compliant suspension probably help this. The tires that came stock on the GD (REO70's) kick the ass of the tires that come on GR's. Neither lasted long for me...

As much as I prefer the sedan look of the earlier models, the hatch is more useful. If the GD's had things that the cheapest Corolla had, fold down seats, it would have helped. The largish hatch area makes it easier to go places with stuff in the car, and fold down seats are a huge help. I picked up a 42" LCD for the house with a T.V. stand (flat packed) and had plenty of room. This would have been impossible in my 07. Granted, I can borrow a full size van from my job if I needed to, but having a car that works well in multiple capacities is good.

Personally, given the choice between buying my 07 brand new at M.S.R.P. or buying my 08 brand new at M.S.R.P. I would buy the 08. It's as capable as the 07, but nicer to live with. The capability and usefulness are more important to me than superficial looks.
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... I like cloth seats over any others because they don't really change temperature...
I live in balls hot Florida, and the seats are comfortable, even on the hottest sunny day. I prefer the Alcantara over full leather anyday.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:14 PM   #15
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Personally, given the choice between buying my 07 brand new at M.S.R.P. or buying my 08 brand new at M.S.R.P. I would buy the 08. It's as capable as the 07, but nicer to live with. The capability and usefulness are more important to me than superficial looks.

That's what I like to hear. Currently I daily drive a 98 Legacy wagon.. nothing about upgrading to a hatch STI seems like a downgrade to me.. and being used to the usefulness of my wagon makes me all the more likely to get used to the hatch.

I'm glad the seats fold and the windows are framed now.. I never thought about that. Stupid people always grabbing frameless windows and making them loose on the track.
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This logic doesn't make sense to me.
I agree, wouldnt you want to have the WRX if you are only going to use it as a DD?
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:43 PM   #17
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I know the new gen cars are much closer in comparison to the old ones which I have previously owned.. but driving a 5 speed and driving a 6 speed are night and day.

Switching the center diff to rear torque bias makes it a heck of a lot more sports car like when you goose it around turns and let the rear end kick out beside you. Not that I partake in any such illegal activity on public roads

I understand people might think it makes more sense just to buy the WRX to daily drive but it's just not an STI. Having owned an STi also.. I can't go "back" now.
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I live in balls hot Florida, and the seats are comfortable, even on the hottest sunny day. I prefer the Alcantara over full leather anyday.
this!!!^^^and get a 06 or 07 again they look better
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I agree, wouldnt you want to have the WRX if you are only going to use it as a DD?
Since OP said he was not going to be modding his car, wouldn't you rather have the car with a 6 speed, DCCD, nicer interior, and more power for a DD rather than just the WRX?


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On a different note.. I probably wont be doing anything more with this car other than driving it normally on the street. No mods, etc.
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Since OP said he was not going to be modding his car, wouldn't you rather have the car with a 6 speed, DCCD, nicer interior, and more power for a DD rather than just the WRX?
.. and spend $8k-$10k more on a car that's always lugging around 200lbs of equipment designed for the track? It sounds to me like the OP needs to testdrive an '09+ WRX with some aftermarket swaybars and a short shift kit with bushings.

The 6 speed, DCCD, helical diffs and Brembos are worthless on the street... even for hooliganism.. they aren't used to their true potential unless you're tracking the car. The WRX is just as fast (if not faster) around town, feels better at lower speeds (lower weight), has taller gears to make better use of the turbo powerband (the 6 speed is only worthwhile at the track.. claiming it improves the driving experience on the street is.. ) and gets much better real world fuel mileage while having lower maintenance costs.

OP.. have you considered an EVO X?
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.. and spend $8k-$10k more on a car that's always lugging around 200lbs of equipment designed for the track? It sounds to me like the OP needs to testdrive an '09+ WRX with some aftermarket swaybars and a short shift kit with bushings.

The 6 speed, DCCD, helical diffs and Brembos are worthless on the street... even for hooliganism.. they aren't used to their true potential unless you're tracking the car. The WRX is just as fast (if not faster) around town, feels better at lower speeds (lower weight), has taller gears to make better use of the turbo powerband (the 6 speed is only worthwhile at the track.. claiming it improves the driving experience on the street is.. ) and gets much better real world fuel mileage while having lower maintenance costs.

OP.. have you considered an EVO X?
I did a 24 test drive the 09... Its not that impressive as people make out. It feels slower. I know its a bit faster do the it being a 5 speed. I also averaged less mileage then my STI. Not to say it wasn't fun, but it fell on its face on our mountain pass(where those brakes are absolutely not worthless), which was the main determining factor. AS far as the 6 speed being worthless at the track, it didn't too to bad earning me 1st in the Street Mod division agaist several WRX's.

Throw on a good chunk of money(about as much as would spend extra on a STI) and you might catch the STI. Even if you managed to get that far, you've limited yourself on the simple mods that you could also do on the STI. You may be able to get as fast, but your still missing all the little odds and ends.

Keep in mind, I don't buy new. I buy all my cars used with low miles. I only paid $2k more for my STI then the 09 WRX's were going for at the time. A custom tune with my AP had it running 288awhp & 304torque.

Its really all about what you want. You do save a chunk of insurance money getting the WRX over the STI so this is something to also consider.
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.. and spend $8k-$10k more on a car that's always lugging around 200lbs of equipment designed for the track? It sounds to me like the OP needs to testdrive an '09+ WRX with some aftermarket swaybars and a short shift kit with bushings.

The 6 speed, DCCD, helical diffs and Brembos are worthless on the street... even for hooliganism.. they aren't used to their true potential unless you're tracking the car. The WRX is just as fast (if not faster) around town, feels better at lower speeds (lower weight), has taller gears to make better use of the turbo powerband (the 6 speed is only worthwhile at the track.. claiming it improves the driving experience on the street is.. ) and gets much better real world fuel mileage while having lower maintenance costs.

OP.. have you considered an EVO X?
Saying all those things are absolutely worthless on the street is ... True, it is a lot more expensive, plus insurance costs will bite you in the ass. You're talking like OP will never do any spirited driving with the car at all. Thing is, you suggest that OP gets an EVO X? A car with less power, almost just as expensive as the STi, gets worse gas mileage, and has that still-weird-to-me double clutch gearbox?
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I doubt you'd notice the very marginally lower power in the EVO X. And if the OP is truly worried about the new STi's perhaps being less focused, and preferring sedans, then the Evo may be the answer.

You don't HAVE to order the MR with the semi-auto gearbox either. I know I would just get a GSR, if only I could...

It certainly rates a test drive anyway.
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Yeah, the double clutch gearbox is up in the air for me. It's a mechanical wonder, and it performs a lot better than anyone could with a manual. But, its still an "automatic", I guess I have to try it before I make assumptions about it. I was just saying, if an STi for a DD is overkill, then going for an Evo X is up there with the STi as well.

Perhaps look at the Ralliart Lancer?





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I was configuring the EVO X yesterday when I realized the MR Touring which is what I would want, doesn't come with a 6 speed manual. This is purely driver preference, but I feel most at home with true manual.

I may baby my cars, but there will be times when I end up buying a new set of tires after finding some back roads on the weekend. I did put 30,000 miles on my car last year.. and a few of those miles caused oil leaks.

I just meant I'm generally following the rules until I'm not in town, and off the main interstates. Mountain roads are my favorite passtime. Money isn't really a determining factor here for the car or insurance, gotta pay to play.. otherwise I'd just buy an economy car to daily drive.

As all of you are well aware, there's driving.. and there's enjoying what you drive.

The other car I am interested in is nothing like the STI.. but I'll keep this thread on topic and not mention it. :P
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