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Old 01-23-2010, 11:27 AM   #76
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my dad just got back from the shot show in vegas...

tons of swag and literature from tons of companies.

definitley some awesome weapons there... even in economic crisis, guns are thriving.


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Old 01-23-2010, 11:53 AM   #77
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my dad just got back from the shot show in vegas...

i think he has a bunch of pictures, i will post if he does.

definitley some awesome weapons there... even in economic crisis, guns are thriving.
Bad economy or not, one must always be ready for the possibility of a zombie attack!!
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Old 01-23-2010, 04:18 PM   #78
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my dad just got back from the shot show in vegas...

tons of swag and literature from tons of companies.

definitley some awesome weapons there... even in economic crisis, guns are thriving.


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Guns are a good long term investment if you make smart purchases. Good weapons that are taken care of will rarely lose value over time. Look at the price of a Colt Python or a Pre 64 Winchester rifle.

Hell back in 1980 a Colt M16 cost around 1000 dollars. Now they are worth near 20 grand or more.
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Old 01-23-2010, 04:46 PM   #79
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I've never seen C-grunt post so much in one thread... Think guns are something he's interested in?

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Old 01-23-2010, 09:38 PM   #80
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Guns are a good long term investment if you make smart purchases. Good weapons that are taken care of will rarely lose value over time. Look at the price of a Colt Python or a Pre 64 Winchester rifle.

Hell back in 1980 a Colt M16 cost around 1000 dollars. Now they are worth near 20 grand or more.
Guns will only go up in value, granted they're still susceptible to supply and demand, but this recent price drop is only because of all the supply that's out there from when everyone went crazy buying the stuff and artificially raising the prices.

AS long as manufacturers raise their prices, guns that are still in production will still go up in value.

Military specific guns will definitely continue to increase in value. You can have two guns that look identical, but one will be worth 5x or even 10x as much because of the serial number.

Granted in the case of the m16 that is a unique situation and there will never be anymore civilian transferable "M-16's" ever.

A transferable Mp5 auto sear (which is the part that actually makes an mp5 auto) is worth $20k, what we shoot are dealer samples and can never be sold to the public, but can be had for $2,500.

Here's the thing, as more churches and work places get shot up, there's going to more and more of a push to control and ban firearms.

By law in CA, you cannot have a detachable magazine on an ar-15 if it has two of the listed "assualt weapon" enhancements (like folding stock and flash hider or something stupid).

So if you wanted to shoot an Ar-15, your magazine had to be permanently attached so that it could only be removed by a tool and so you would have to break the gun open and load rounds down into the top of the magazine like a bolt action rifle/SKS and so forth. (now there is the bullet button, which uses allows someone to push teh mag release with a bullet and not a finger).

Still it's only a matter of time before we have 10rnd mag limits across the country and other crazy laws. At which point shorter barrels and semi auto weapons will go up in value, as they are grandfathered into the law. In the case of CA, all the ar receivers before the ban came in were worth $1000, just for the receiver.

ON top of which, **** just doesn't get imported into the country like it used to, it gets less imported. Fed Ord would ship in a cargo container of SKS's, shoo the tarantulas out (wonder why CA has such an huge amount exotic creatures ) and sell them for $65.

Eventually you could get an SKS for $100, then it was $150, then $175 and so on. Granted, inflation has caused the dollar to be worth a lot less since then, so I guess it's still the same price so you definitely are hedging against inflation.

Jezzzus, I just checked J&G a mauser is freakin $350 now!

My guess is that the reason they haven't made a big move on firearm laws after retard got into office is because of the economy. With just a few laws, you could literally put most of all the firearm related companies/business in the poor house and or out of business.

Watch, as soon as the economy is good and fixing it isn't a priority, we should have a new person in office by then (unless for some reason the majority of the uneducated come out and decide to vote blindly, again), but the chances of laws being passed are going to be much greater.

At which case, firearms will only go up in value. If you can afford to, you should keep everything you have and only buy more. What's gonna happen is you'll sell something then a few years later, you'll decide you want another one of the same and it'll be double price.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:22 AM   #81
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just picked up a gsg 5 today. needed a plinker!
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Old 01-24-2010, 04:46 AM   #82
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Bob I agree with you on many things except I dont see anymore nation wide bans or big laws like that going through. The Democrats have acknowledged that the "Assault Weapon" ban of 94 is what got All the Republicans in the House and Senate in the 90s/2000s.

That and the huge strides that have been taken with the Heller case and the fallout from that. I dont see any big anti gun laws being passed.

NRA membership and overall gun ownership across the country has sky rocketed in the last few years.

As far as Obama goes. Im not a huge fan but the only gun law he has signed so far has allowed carry inside national parks. In fact the Brady Campaign rates him an "F" for gun control.

That doesnt mean some sleezy politician wont try. But when they do we will be here to fight him.

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Old 01-24-2010, 09:34 PM   #83
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Bob I agree with you on many things except I dont see anymore nation wide bans or big laws like that going through. The Democrats have acknowledged that the "Assault Weapon" ban of 94 is what got All the Republicans in the House and Senate in the 90s/2000s.

That and the huge strides that have been taken with the Heller case and the fallout from that. I dont see any big anti gun laws being passed.

NRA membership and overall gun ownership across the country has sky rocketed in the last few years.

As far as Obama goes. Im not a huge fan but the only gun law he has signed so far has allowed carry inside national parks. In fact the Brady Campaign rates him an "F" for gun control.

That doesnt mean some sleezy politician wont try. But when they do we will be here to fight him.

I agree with you. Seems they'll probably let states push their own gun control measures. Although, I do see in the future a very real chance of massive taxes/registration/etc for ammo. Some way for them to say "we aren't taking anything away, or keeping the common man from hunting; we're just making a box of ammo $100. Plus, we're tracking you're ID for all your ammo purchases.
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Old 01-25-2010, 12:50 AM   #84
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Finally got my rifle for CAS at the gun show yesterday, so my S.A.S.S. starter collection is complete!



Japanese Arisaka Type 38 (6.5x50 mm)
1886 "Yellowboy" .38sp/.357 (CAS- the one I just got)
1887 12ga. (CAS)
Mossberg 500a (retirement gift)
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Uberti 1871 "Smokewagons" in .38sp/.357 (CAS) with sequential SNs
Ruger Vaquero in .45 LC (CAS)
Springfield XD-9 sub-compact
pos Lorcin .380 my 2nd ex had me get her...
.30 Makarov mauser (Norinco knock-off from the 'Stans)
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Old 01-25-2010, 04:46 AM   #85
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Caveman... Those Ubertis are really nice. Been eyeballin them myself but I might have to get the Beretta Stampede my boss is selling in 45 Colt.

Who makes the .357 lever? From the name sounds like a Henry. Another gun on my short list.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:26 AM   #86
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Caveman... Those Ubertis are really nice. Been eyeballin them myself but I might have to get the Beretta Stampede my boss is selling in 45 Colt.

Who makes the .357 lever? From the name sounds like a Henry. Another gun on my short list.
The single action Ubertis are a limited "deluxe" edition that got about $300-400 worth of improvements by the factory gunsmiths and tuned by Cody Conagher. I got them through a Taylor's & Co. vendor during End Of Trail last year. It was pure luck getting consecutive SN'd pistols! ppl trying to buy them online have been reporting 6 month waits...

The Yellowboy is a Uberti replica of the Model 1866 carbine made by Winchester, which was a much improved version of the Henry (1860) rifle.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:23 AM   #87
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Thats a nice collection Caveman. When the zombies attack, you will be set for a good period of time

I was going to post this sooner, but issues with the upcoming baby prevented it;
Got my CCW last week. Took about 10 days from the date the application was mailed. I am rather impressed with DPS's turn-around time. Esp. since I am told most people wait 40ish days to get it.
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Old 01-25-2010, 07:57 PM   #88
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I found some pretty good deals at the Crossroads gun show yesterday, unfortunatley lack of money kept me from securing them. I almost couldnt resist a $300 SKS, even without money! anybody know when the next gunshow comes to town? hopefully after taxes...
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I found some pretty good deals at the Crossroads gun show yesterday, unfortunatley lack of money kept me from securing them. I almost couldnt resist a $300 SKS, even without money! anybody know when the next gunshow comes to town? hopefully after taxes...
While I was at the show, one of the vendors told me they would be back in April. (no specific date though)
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The Crossroads are supposed to come every 3 months.
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DAmmit, I didn't think about the gunshow, been kinda busy. Let me know if you guys plan on buying something there, I know a good amount of the dealers or someone that knows someone.

And if you see a big guy with a long blonde pony tail and a Hawaiian shirt, I'll have him take care of you guys.


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I found some pretty good deals at the Crossroads gun show yesterday, unfortunatley lack of money kept me from securing them. I almost couldnt resist a $300 SKS, even without money! anybody know when the next gunshow comes to town? hopefully after taxes...
Just let me know what you are looking for.
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Just let me know what you are looking for.
10/22, P95, SKS, AK47 (or variant), Mini-14, and POSSIBLY a cheap double barrell for home D or a mossberg 500 12g with a stock (no pistol grip). just the regular stuff.
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10/22, P95, SKS, AK47 (or variant), Mini-14, and POSSIBLY a cheap double barrell for home D or a mossberg 500 12g with a stock (no pistol grip). just the regular stuff.
Looking to buy all at once or just one of those
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hey bob, how much for an AK47 and a pump 12g?
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Ruger P95 first, maybe in time for valentines day?? Mini-14 would be a close second priority, as soon as taxes come back the hunt begins. AK and SKS will have to wait until they can found for a reasonably good deal AND when i have money for them. Shotgun, meh. SO, not all at once, but in the next year hopefully.
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ak's are getting cheap again, and ammo is also getting really cheap again...

shotgun is next on my list
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ak's are getting cheap again, and ammo is also getting really cheap again...

shotgun is next on my list
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yeah, ammo isn't tooo bad, picked up some at the gun show and a new ruger 10/22 to play with, woopty doo!
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are you looking for any type of AK? looking cheap cheap or a good ak for a good price. A better built AK is always gonna hold it's value a lot better which makes a difference when you are talking about things like how straight the front sight is welded on, thats not an easy fix.

Give me till the end of the day, I'll let you guys know what I can get.


BTW I have access to a SIG master dealer, so if you want a SIG....
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